If the return of the Messiah would be possible, why couldn't it be me?
By Mike227
@Mike227 (155)
Australia
December 7, 2007 2:43pm CST
I hope you can help me here, as I have serious sleeping problems. I need to take strong medication to "shut down".
So far I cannot think of one single reason, why it couldn't be me or anyone else.
Because you don't need to know why you do things the way you are doing them. It is the Intension behind it which matters.
To know doesn't mean to understand.
To understand you don't need to know.
But to know what you understand is to understand what you know and this could be enough.
Please help me to find the answer to my questions, because I think I will only be able to sleep (naturally), once I find the answer.
If you can, I would be very grateful.
If you can't, well that would give me a whole lot of more questions to ask.
Please feel free to ask your spiritual leader, if you cannot answer my question. I would love to talk to them to find my inner peace.
I had a bigger "blog" in mind (more reasons and thoughts), but as soon as I start thinking about it, I "shoot off".
So I will write my "book" while I am waiting for your help.
Excuse me, if I am not visiting my post as often as I would like, I will do my best, but I might end up in hospital, as it happened 4 times already and I might not be able to come at all.
However if you are -regardless of this- receiving an answer it might be, because I have started to hand out my username and password to friends, as they might like to look at my responses.
I also gave them permission to respond to discussions, as I trust them and I know their intentions. I might not always agree what they think but this is not what matters. We just try to understand and they only try to help too.
If you can help me, you can help me.
If you can't help me, help yourself.
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@zigzagbuddha (4601)
• United States
10 Dec 07
Leave it to a Fire Horse to yearn for that. Does the idea of so many devoted followers give you butterflies in your tummy and make your loins burn?
@Mike227 (155)
• Australia
14 Jan 08
Thanks for responding here, zigziagbuddha! :)
Hahaha, yes, I think it is the nature of the Fire Horse to stir things up.
What is your sign by the way, I'd like to read up on it (only as long as you can identify with it - it would not make much sense otherwise...) :)
What I intended to achieve with this post was to shake people's minds a little bit with some different ideas and concepts, to make them believe in themselves that anyone could gain a "higher understanding" (you can call it whatever you would like, it fits any type of belief)
I have chosen the "Messiah" because of my up-bringing and the possibility (until proven wrong); because I know that it says in the Bible that "he" will return. Every Christian ought to believe this as it is part of their teachings.
And every one of them could develop the "Christ-consciousness"
Like someone practicing Dianetics could become "Clear" or Buddhists can reach the "Enlightenment"...
And the other thing I would have liked to see happening are all these religious people out here which usually get referred to as the "Bible-Thumpers".
I missed their attention completely - have I done anything wrong? I specifically asked them for help.
Do they just refuse to help me? How good of some Christians are they then? ("Good Samaritans")
However, we might not always have the same opinion, but we do have some believes in common. (from your response to dickkell)
This doesn't give me a "Big Head trip" (it does sound exiting though, lol).
No, I don't get the butterflies, maybe because I do not have that many followers after all.
And I'll keep my loins a secret for now...
;)
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@zigzagbuddha (4601)
• United States
14 Jan 08
In Western astrology I am a double Aries (on the cusp of Pisces) and in the Chinese horoscope I am a Water Dragon. Fire and water twice. That theme replays itself all the way across my chart.
When I was 14 or 15 I walked away from Christianity, not that I was ever really a practicing Christian, but I had been brought up here in the west with churches on every corner and had gone to Sunday School a few times as a child, so the idea of heaven and hell as specific locations that you go to as reward or punishment was part of my belief system. Until one day I decided that I would not worship such a SADISTIC god as the christian god and screamed my denunciation to the sky... which I think was a pretty brave thing to have done actually, since at that point in my history I believed that taking that stand meant I was going to hell. I figured if I had to burn for my beliefs then I would.
I don't enjoy religious discussions. It seems so obvious to me that religion does not satisfactorily answer our most profound questions, and has failed to lead anyone anywhere but to yet other battlefields, and that it is so full of such a bunch of distorted and downright fictional facts, that having discussions and debates about it seems ludicrously redundant. And I'm not interested in people who are not bright enough to think for themselves anyway, so I just prefer to look elsewhere for conversation.
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@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
7 Dec 07
Actually,the three major western religions:Judaism,Islam,and christianity all have different beliefs about the Messiah. But they all take their basic roots from Judaism. Even within Judaism there is a lot of room for argument but that is one of the things that sets Jews apart from other peoples. They can argue with G'd as long as they accept His covenant and follow His laws they can work a bit with the interpretations especially with the oral traditions.
One line of thinking is that the Messiah is not a person, rather it is a Messianic age. It is a time of peace and prosperity, lasting a millenium. All peoples benefit in this peace it is not just for Jews.
Then there is the actual Messiah. The Messiah is a man not a G'd. He has to fit the predictions in the bible which the Christ did not. He will be an Earthly King not a heavenly king and he will bring peace to the earth which once again will last a millenium and will include all peoples not just Jews.
Both of the other Groups the Islams and the christians have Messiahs that will come after great wars and destruction and only their people will survive. Anyone who wishes to be saved and go to heaven must convert and believe their way.
Do you still think you might want to be the Messiah?
You speak of health problems. I have much empathy in that area. My thoughts are with you.
@Mike227 (155)
• Australia
8 Dec 07
Hi Adoniah,
Thank you very much for your response.
I did not ask what the Messiah is or might be.
I do not believe I am the Messiah.
What is the actual Messiah? Jesus? He did not call himself or was called "Messiah" by any other than "man".
(I am not 100% sure about the time-difference but from what I heard it was about 300 years after)
So would you like to sit here with me that long, or how long would it take the church to give me a reason, why it POSSIBLY cannot (and I repeat) YOU or ME??
Thank you for your empathy.
Shalom
One line of thinking is that it is possible. We actually have a word for this; it is called "Hope"!
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@Mike227 (155)
• Australia
8 Dec 07
I am Sorry, I forgot. (By the way this is one of my "I AM" statements, I tried to rephrase it, but it doesn't sound friendly to me like: "You are sorry, I forgot, a statement I would never make, as I don't know you and I wouldn't know if you actually would mean it. Therfore I couldn't even know if you woud say that to me.
On the other hand you seem to know quite a bit. I hope you don't get mixed up with the word "assume" or "believe", If not, I would like to know HOW can you possibly "know"
"The learning of the meaning of the words is the first step to education" (or similar)
I can't remember who sid this, it wasn't me, but somehow it made sense to me. I am not really good at it, but good enough and if I don't know, I always can go to "Wikipedia, they have good definitions, maybe not complete and some don't like it, but mistakes are there to learn from.)
I suggest, too look up some words first if you are not sure of their meaning, to prevent misunderstanding.
If we both can agree on the interpretation of words, then we do have a chance of finding an answer together.
I thank you again.
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@dickkell (403)
• United States
9 Dec 07
The name that God revealed to Moses was "I AM that I AM." This became the basis for the tetragammon YHWH, which was the unspeakable name of God. In his "I AM" statements, Jesus was applying this unspeakable name to Himself - that is to say he was clearly calling Himself God. You can see the modern continuation of this ancient Jewish practice in several posts on mylot, where God is referred to as G-d to preven any possible taking of the name in vain.
The Son of Man refers to Daniel 7:13-14 "I saw in the night visions, and behold, one like the Son of Man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him near before Him. And there was given him dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom, that which shall not be destroyed."
The title "son of Man" was understood as a direct reference to this verse, depicting the coming messiah.
Also note a further correction. Messiah means "annointed one," the same word translates as "Christ" in greek. (Techinically it's Christos) The idea of Messiah as "savior" has two derivations - to the Jews, He is to be the savior of their nation in a political or governmental sense; while to the Christians, the idea is messiah as the savior of the world from sin and seperation from God.
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@kayakalp (272)
• India
8 Dec 07
Hey Mike,
I out ur post frm lucanis....Plz take care of yourself. You need to take care of yourself and live your life to the fullest to find the answers to your questions. I know my saying wouldnt make much difference, but still...
As far as yout topic goes, I believe 'What we call rational grounds for our own beliefs are often irrational attempts to jusify our own instincts'. I dont believe that any book on this earth was ever written by any God. It was all written by few human souls, who all had put their brain together to make something based on which others wit lil brain can follow and live their life happily.
The concept that somebody is going to come and save you (personified as GOD) just make us, Humans very week and we actually wait for someone to come and help us, which in turn makes us week. Humans had used the name of God to things which we fills me with disgust. I dont ebelive there was any God or there would be any God to come and help us.
But yes, like Jesus or Buddha or Dalai Lama or like many spirirtual Gurus like many eveolved souls, when you realised this thing and when you realise that Yes, I have to save certain week souls on this earth with my knowledge, then Mike, even you can become messiah!!!
You are a Messiah, all you need is to open up the possibility of it!!!
Take Care My Friend :-)
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@Mike227 (155)
• Australia
8 Dec 07
Thank you my friend.
I can very much relate too.
I can only speak for myself. I only can take care when I am open to receive it. But most of the times my friend who care about me and wanted to help me got the: "I can take care of myself" response. Until I started wondering about this sentence. If I take care of(f) myself I could become reckless.
So I started to change the expression I use and try to remember to rather say "I am care-full" or "be care-full".
And I believe in "positive thinking". So, it could be that just the simple believe in something so powerful like (any) "God" has a positive effect.
In the end it doesn't matter, which way" you're going. You are safe anyway. It is just more fun when you know why you do the things you do (ALL things)
Funny, "ALL" in German can mean: all, Universe (Weltall - "world-all")... or in "alle meaning "all" or "empty". No wonder that German (or Greek, to just name another one) are called "philosophical" languages)
English for my understanding is a "spiritual" language; because you have the "Body", "Mind", "Soul" AND "Spirit"
I could explain this to you an other day but my time is up soon. (I have three minutes more according to my daughter.)
Thank you for being my friend,
Mike
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