Shooting oneself in the WALLET !
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
United States
December 8, 2007 6:17am CST
The Hollywood writer's strike is amazing. Never have so many done so mucy to cost themselves so much money for so little benefit. Here's more information.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-strike8dec08,0,3103178.story?coll=la-home-center
This whole business reminds me of the events leading up to the Trucking Deregulation Act of 1980. Probably most of you do not know what that was or what I'm talking about, but it directly relates to this writer's strike. The writer's should pay attention.
Prior to 1980 the Teamsters Union had a stranglehold on the transportation industry in the USA. Through strikes and subtle intimidation the cost of moving goods in the USA became ridiculously too high. The result was the Trucking Deregulation Act of 1980 which completely broke the Union's power and control of the transportation industry.
The writer's union needs to do a serious objective evaluation of the situation if they do not want their union to suffer a decrease in power and influence such as experienced by the Teamsters.
What are your comments and opinions concerning the writer's strike?
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
9 Dec 07
I go with what I have said in earlier posts. Let the writers have the profits but they should also take the risks. IF the show is a flop then tehy don't get paid. One story I heard was that Gary Cooper read the script of fHigh Noon and thought it would become a classic movie and offered to take the lead for a much smaller salary but retained a percent of the movie royalities. It seems to me that the writers want to get paid up front and get paid down the road with out taking any risk. He who takes the risk shoudl make the profit.
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
9 Dec 07
I agree completely that those who take the risk should get most of the profit, if there is any at all!
When I was in business I was absolutely amazed at the ignorance of so many who were not. Literally, millions of people think that if you are in business you must be making a fortune and are cheating everyone else.
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
12 Dec 07
I once had a neighbor who owned a small Auto Parts Wholesale Business. His employees would make deliverys to local retail stores and collect the money owe my neighbor. In a typical day each driver would collect between $5,000 to $7,000. Their thinking was that he took out the wages and something for the overhead and the rest was considered profit. In reality he was making, as owner, less than the drivers made for the first 5 years. He was hoping to make more this year for the first time.
I own a smallPhotography business and take Sport Action photos. Some people think my prices are way out of line. I charge $7.00 for a 5x7 photo of a Student in action. They will say that it costs $0.59 to print a photo at the local discount store. They do not think of the time I spend and sell nothing, or the cost of my equiptment. I think the writers see the same thing. The producers pay for the script and then make all the money. If the writers were not in the Union tehy could deal with the producers and sell the script and keep a percent of all revenue for themself. Farmers do this with pure bread animals. They will sell 75% of the animal and maintain a 25% ownership. The writers could do this if they weren't bound by the Union Contract, sell the script for less and keep part ownership for ever. They want their money up front and in the future too. You can't have it both ways.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
8 Dec 07
Hello Red,
Hmmm, your question raises a number of interesting points & questions. Not the least of which is that I imagine that more people are picking up books these days. That is rarely a bad thing!
However, this strike reminds us all that the powers that be in this country (and internationally) have only begrudgeonly acknowledged what the internet might mean to the status quo of the business world.
To the best of my knowledge, one of the big issues with the writers is their ability to be compensated for downloadable, copyrighted material. Which, is a biggie! The internet is more and more becoming the most favored medium for all manner of information and entertainment. If it is not considered when negotiating contracts, then the writer risks having to idly stand by and watch his or her work not only stolen, but bastardized, with zero recourse.
Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that the internet is all things to everyone today. Yet, the realities of the free market must be considered. Congress has been woefully negligent in it's recognition of the power of this fourth dimensional tool. Although I fear the day that the idiots in Washington endeavor to tackle this invisible beast, that day is looming.
I would much prefer to see the writers and the publishing/production houses hash this out without the uninteligable droolings of D.C., than to see D.C. step in with all manner of ridiculous oversight.
I secretly wish that this strike causes both the production houses and writers to realize a greater reality; t.v. is losing its influence and attraction. News channels are increasingly seeing dominance over entertainment stations. This is the case for two reasons, primarily because the quality of the work is dauntingly uninspired, and because the number of episodes produced per series is insufficient to maintain year wide interest.
So, your point is valid. Both sides are shooting themselves in the wallet. Not only because of this strike. But, because of the overall lack of commitment to the viewer. If t.v. were truly captivating, then video games and internet gaming would not have the allure that they now enjoy. As such, writers would not be worried about their labor being capitalized on by internet actionaries.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
9 Dec 07
"I secretly wish"
T'ain't not neither 'secret' no moe, but twern't meions let de feline outta da bag.
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@MntlWard (878)
• United States
9 Dec 07
As more and more people are choosing to watch television on the internet, the writers are foreseeing a situation in which they may not get paid at all, unless some compensation for streaming video of their shows is added to the contracts. I don't blame them for insisting that be done.
You can debate about how greedy they're being for asking the video rental rate to be raised back to the previous rate, but this current lower rate was supposed to be temporary, and I *know* the heads of the TV networks and film companies are lying when they say they're broke.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
9 Dec 07
I mostly think both sides are being stupid.
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
10 Dec 07
I thought it was brave of the writers.
Their bosses didn't wanna pay 'em a few extra pennies, is what I heard.
So though it seems a bit superfluous they're going on strike over not getting paid a few extra cents for their work, it's no les ridiculous that their bosses refused to give them a few more cents.
And as I understand it, that's exactly the amount they're on strike for. Not a few more dollars.
Cents.
They're going on strike over the principle of it.
Which is, of course, a good thing. In my opinion anyways.
I mean...what if, perhaps the writers accepted the fact their bosses wouldn't pay 'em that little bit more, and their bosses would later get the idea that they could tighten the pay a little more in different areas.
In my experience, the only way to keep a good thing is to remain vigilant on it.
Which was why I'm so proud of them.
I can only hope their bosses see sense soon and just give in.
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@Hart57 (359)
• United States
8 Dec 07
Well, it's affecting me directly as I work as a background actor whenever I can. I think the sticking points are a little more complicated than the media is reporting. I'm on the side of the writers, though. It seems to me that the producers can spread the wealth a little. The people who are suffering the most are the technicians and makeup artists who are now out of work. I'm optimistic that the strike will not go on as long as it did back in 1988 (close to 6 months, I believe). Cheers!
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
9 Dec 07
This is the bad part of any strike. I hope it ends soon.
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@lancingboy (1385)
• United States
3 Jan 08
Aren't background actors like the type who walk around in the background on sets during shooting? I wanna do that. My cousin and I talked about doing that before but I don't know why we never did. I wanna start out doing that as I learn to be a makeup artist (I wanna work on scary movies, especially the zombie variety because that is my favorite kind lol).
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@UnselfishShellfish (1306)
• United States
3 Jan 08
They are also called extras or day players. They don't get paid much, but a lot of famous Hollywood types have gotten discovered by agents while being day players in the background of a movie.