Fairness isn't Fair, Equal is Never Equal.
By ParaTed2k
@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
December 10, 2007 12:42pm CST
I keep hearing and reading arguments based on what is "fair". Can someone please explain to me how anything is ever really "fair"?
Is it "fair" to give a minorty a job over a White person? What if the minority isn't as qualified. Is it even "fair" to give someone a job or promotion that they aren't qualified for?
Is it "fair" to take more from the "rich" to give it to the "poor"? How is it fair if the rich person worked long hours and risked part of his income in investments, but the poor person did nothing?
The same with "Equality".
I doubt I've ever heard anyone who demands "equality" really mean it.
Feminists say they want "equality", but when it comes to "women's issues" they say that men don't have a right to an opinion. Equality? Yeah right!
When "civil rights" leaders say they are all about "equality", do they really mean they want a completely colorblind society? Maybe some do, but I have yet to find one who doesn't want the tables tipped for their particular group.
Let's face it people, fairness isn't fair and equality is never equal. Let's deal with reality instead of destroying lives with lies of an ideal.
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@kurtbiewald (2625)
• United States
10 Dec 07
yeah
disadvantaged people should be giving priority special treatment in finding work
if the Government really cared about that sort of thing.
They would do some studies. Mayb ethey could send some folks out to look for work. Similar qualifications, yet one Hispanic, one black, one disabled and then write up the results, then put some money and laws into helping.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
10 Dec 07
There are already many programs that help disadvantaged people get training and jobs. Many of them become great assets to the companies they work for; others start their own busines and do well.
The problem is, many don't ever become assets to the companies, but because of laws "protecting" them, the companies are forced to keep them anyway.
Is it "Fair" to force a company to keep an employee that isn't able to do the job? Is it "Fair" to put a person who can't do the job in the position, then expect them to do the job anyway?
@betsyraeduke (2670)
• United States
11 Dec 07
I have read your post, but I am tired and I have not throughly read all the replies to it. So I apologize if I repeat anything that has already been stated here, but, this is just a few random thoughts I have regarding the topic. 1. Women seem to only complain about a man having an opinion about what they consider "women's issues" when said man disagrees with them. (not me, just women in general)2. A job should be given to whomever is most qualified for the job, regardless of race, color or anything else, including education. I throw education in there because I am qualified for many jobs, that is I have the skills and know how, for many jobs that I can not get hired for simply because I do not have some fancy peace of paper (college degree) that says I do. Nothing in life is fair. We learn to deal with it the best we can and move on.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
12 Dec 07
Thanks, and even if someone else may have said this, this is your opinion and it's always welcome on my threads.
I agree, women usually don't complain about a man's opinion on "women's issues" if the man agrees with them.
As for a college requirement. For the good or the bad of it, college degrees = "professional" in our society. It usually doesn't even matter much what degree you have, as long as you have one.
College degrees tell the prospective employer one thing that they find very valuable... You finish what you start.
That doesn't mean people who have never been to college don't finish what they start, and there are ohter ways to demonstrate that, but a degree does.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
12 Dec 07
Yup, if things were fair.
I agree though. My dad was an electronic engineer, the last few years before he retired, he was over quality control. He said he noticed that most new employees weren't worth their paychecks for the first couple of years. Being engineers, they were all college grads... apparently they learned a lot about a lot of things, but not much about the job.
@betsyraeduke (2670)
• United States
12 Dec 07
A college degree may demonstrate that a person finishes what they start, but it does not always prove that they are most qualified for the job. There are times when a person without a degree knows more about a job than a person with a degree. If things, were fair, the job would be given to whomever could do it better, not automatically given to whomever had the degree. But, oh well.
@paul8675 (750)
• Australia
11 Dec 07
This is an interesting concept. There can only really be fairness or equalness to one person or group at the expense of another. The best example of this is how whites in South Africa have been disadvantaged by giving "fairness" and "equality" to blacks. So what has happened is that one imbalance has shifted to the other extreme by a desire for equality.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
11 Dec 07
Exactly, for "equality" to happen, some people have to lose, whether they deserve to lose or not, which (of course) isn't "fair".
@bong_domingo (878)
• Philippines
11 Dec 07
i think equality and whatever is fair is highly relative here on earth :-)
@kimberlylynn (978)
• United States
11 Dec 07
I think it's like most of our parents probably said to all of us "life isn't always fair".
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
11 Dec 07
Yup, the smart parents do say that.. because it's true.
@Twilightrook (4)
• United States
11 Dec 07
Right on the ball. If everyone would see this way, the world would have a lot less irritated people.
BTW I am one of those people who would like a 'colorblind,' as you put it, world.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
11 Dec 07
Actually, I want just the opposite. I want a society where color doesn't matter, not where it is ignored.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
11 Dec 07
There's only two kinds of people who scare me when it comes to opinions. Those who disagree with me on everything... and those who agree with me on everything. ;~D
@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
12 Dec 07
Interestingly, I do agree. Except in the case of "old money" in which a spoiled brat has never had to work a day in his life, but that is a story for another day.
We can seek equality, but it doesn't happen. Liberals want to give rights to the minorites. Conservatives want to keep all for the Majority. If we were truely equal, we would be communist, in the real sense of the word, not the political sense.
Fact is, as humans we are not cut out for equality. Everyone just wants to "better" the next person. And I must say, straight white males are the largest group who get absolutely nothing.
Not looking for controversy. Just stating things as I see them. Every other Group can sue if they are discriminated against If my husband looses a job to a black woman, or a gay man, he has not legal recourse.
