"That Does It! I'm Homeschooling!"
@AJ1952Chats (2332)
Anderson, Indiana
January 2, 2008 9:39am CST
Homeschoolers and homeschooler wannabees--
Please share your turning point when you made the decision that, instead of sending your kids to public schools (or even to private schools), you were going to teach them at home.
This question is directed towards three different groups of people:
1. Those who have had children either in a public school or private school (in other words, a more traditional classroom setting) and ended up making the decision to homeschool instead.
2. Those of you who haven't yet had kids (or, at least, none of school age) and had, at one time, planned on sending them to public or private schools but now have decided that you're definitely going the homeschooling route.
3. Those who are childless (or with grown kids) and will, likely, remain childless but who have come to see great benefits being brought about by homeschooling and would now encourage it.
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@MommaOfAllTrades (969)
• Canada
7 Jan 08
I did homeschool my two children for a few years because I left their abusive father and it wasn't safe for them to be in school. We truly enjoyed it and if I had it my way, if I didn't have to work, I would still be homeschooling. My kids don't enjoy the public school, they are getting tons of practise on how to deal with bullies and favortism, just to name a few. My oldest daughter is way ahead of everyone else so she does find public education very boring. She is used to expanding her knowledge to no limit, reading, researching, building... all of which she is force to confine to the rest of the group now.
My youngest daughter on the other hand is behind, not because we homeschooled but because of her special needs. Last year, the school was not accommodating to her needs so I had to pull her out and she soared with her education. We are trying the public system again and so far so good.
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@AJ1952Chats (2332)
• Anderson, Indiana
2 Mar 08
I hope that your daughter ends up getting the education that will help her the most, whether at school or at home.
My second cousin's daughter has a child with Down Syndrome. Georgia Anne has always been a homeschooler, but she found out that Isaac would be able to get the most help and opportunities to learn through going to a public school, so that's where he's been.
He's one of the smartest kids in a mainstream classroom--showing that there are no limits to his learning but, instead, just a different learning pattern.
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@AJ1952Chats (2332)
• Anderson, Indiana
3 Mar 08
While you might not be to the place now where you would have time to teach your kids at home, are you able to have them at home with you? If so, take them out of school NOW! They will be on school vacation with fulltime classes resuming in the fall.
In the meantime, do light studying with them as you find the time.
Tell me more about your home business. I might be able to promote you on my websites, in my blogs, etc.
@MommaOfAllTrades (969)
• Canada
3 Mar 08
Well since I wrote this two months ago, we've had a few issues with the school. My oldest daughter fights every day to be homeschooled because she is sooooo unhappy in public school.
My youngest has had many many MANY behavioural episodes that really concern me. I know my children belong at home to do their education at their own pace but I just can't pull them out right now.
I am finally starting a home-based business (I've been working at it for three years but it's presently booming to the extent I can finally depend on this income alone) so I'm hoping that by next September, I will have established enough clients and a routine that I can include homeschooling in my day!
I can only work hard towards it at this point!
Thanks for your reply!
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@whimsystoryteller (1743)
• United States
3 Jan 08
I will be homeschooling when I have children but right now I just wanted to let you know that you can find books to help you with homeschooling at the library. Or, at least they have them in our library. Just thought that might help you.
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@AJ1952Chats (2332)
• Anderson, Indiana
4 Jan 08
Thanks for the helpful information.
Libraries are known, of course, for books and magazines--but today's libraries are known for even more!
If you were homeschooling, you could practically turn the local library into a variety of classrooms.
You can even find full-length movies there that you can either enjoy right there or, if you have a library card, check out.
@AJ1952Chats (2332)
• Anderson, Indiana
4 Jan 08
Thanks for your inspiring information!!!
For homeschoolers in the Pasadena area (living there or traveling there), this sounds like a wonderful place for a field-trip!
You've had so many really neat things happen to you that you could write several books of your own on top of the children's stories and books that you already do.
You could use Cafepress for that, as you're already there. I've put out three smaller volumes through CP and am working on a much larger and more serious one.
@whimsystoryteller (1743)
• United States
4 Jan 08
AJ, remember, I'm a librarian. That's why I wanted people to know that there are books that help parents to homeschool their kids. I'm not sure if all libraries have them because different libraries have different collections. It's like the movies you mentioned. Some libraries have good films and others don't. The library system I worked in recently had a cooperative system between Pasadena and Glendale but one of the Glendale branches had a much better selection of DVDs, VHS tapes and CDs and they required people to return them only to their branch not the others.
I discovered the homeschooling books when I worked in the Pasadena library. They had a huge library that is four stories tall. It's the largest library I've ever been in and it's also gorgeous. It was built in the early 1900's and has the most magnificent architecture and sculpted carved wooden accents. The building itself is worth going there for.
And, I was fortunate enough to meet someone I'd long admired who was a patron. It was Vincent Bugliosi, the man who prosecuted Charles Manson. I'd read several of his books and had always wanted to meet him. Not only did I get to meet him but I had the opportunity to have a pleasant conversation with him.
Anyway, thanks for this topic. I think that if parents are in a position to homeschool and can effectively teach their kids enough that will help them face life, then I think they should. The challenge is that not everyone is equipped with the knowledge or ability to teach their kids what they need to know to get through high school and into a good college. Maybe they should create homeschooling groups so that parents can collectively teach their kids. One parent may be much stronger in one area than another. It may be the solution to sending kids to schools that aren't effective and it also could be safer given today's violence in schools.
Gotta go...
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@meshellrose (286)
• United States
26 Feb 08
Hi, I'm looking into virtual homeschooling at the moment. It's funded by the public school system and they provide all the materials w/o the hassle of my local school system. I'm so tired of the he needs ritalin or we have to suspend him for writing a note that he doesn't like the teacher. He's gotten into so much trouble that I just can't handle it anymore. I know he's not perfect, but when they are punishing my child and not others involved and he's being bullied than that's it, I'm not taking it anymore. He will be finishing the year, but hopefully will not be going back next year.
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@AJ1952Chats (2332)
• Anderson, Indiana
26 Feb 08
Here's my advice! Don't even put him through finishing out the remainder of the year! Inform the school that he's being taught at home starting immediately. During this time, you can give him remedial teaching to make sure that he retains what he's learned already and, then, start his school year in a few months. He will probably learn more at home during these few months than he will at school, because he won't be having to deal with bullying. I'd like to know more about your personal situation. Please send me a private message...
@AJ1952Chats (2332)
• Anderson, Indiana
15 Mar 08
I don't know that people with ADHD and/or ADDS have phony conditions--it's just that they're taken care of in phony ways.
We would rather toss pills after it to manage it instead of looking at its causes (that child needs different kind of learning styles that he or she isn't getting access to).
Pills only manage kids but looking for solutions will result in true learning!
@Modestah (11179)
• United States
16 Mar 08
well we originally started because our child who was going into first grade would have had only 8 weeks of school before our impending move across country.... and then we got a rental house in the new state but knew that we would soon be moving again so did not want to enroll him in one school to pull out midyear for another school.... we would just wait till next year to enroll him.
at the next house I was doing child care for a neighbor and would walk her young son to school...
taking him there it impacted upon me in a major way how all these kids were being herded like cattle. It was truly awful and I was convinced that I did not want that for my child.
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@AJ1952Chats (2332)
• Anderson, Indiana
16 Mar 08
Looks as if all of those moves you needed to make turned out to be a blessing in disguise for your son, because it got him into homeschooling right-off-the-bat, and you got to talk to another schoolkid to learn what you'd be sending him into.
How's the homeschooling coming along now?
@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
2 Jan 08
I home schooled my youngest daughter for junior high because she was just too far ahead of the other kids and junior high is the time if you are going to lose them you do. She was extremely internally motivated and I do believe in order for home school to really work the child has to be internally motivated or you are liable to have a constant battle on you hands.
I do not think that 1st through 5th should be home schooled because they miss too much of the socialization needed for young kids. I do not think that High school age kids should be home schooled because it is just too hard to do the labs and they miss out on PE, Chemistry etc. And they need the socialization too.
My daughter did High school and junior college at the same time.
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@AJ1952Chats (2332)
• Anderson, Indiana
3 Jan 08
Sounds as if you did what worked for your daughter.
One of my friends took her older son out of middle-school after learning that somebody had brought a knife to school (like a switchblade or some similar kind of weapon). She then taught him all through his high school years.
She decided to do the same thing for her younger son, saying that his elementary school was five-star, and there was no reason to take him out of there, but she definitely knew that he wouldn't be attending middle-school and high school.
As long as your daughter was reasonably-safe and not being bullied, there was probably no major problem with keeping her in school.
I have wonderful memories of all of my years of public school (K-12), but I grew up in a different time before all of the things that happen these days started happening.
@prettypinkbug (437)
• United States
7 Jan 08
This is my first year to homeschool my son. He is kindergarten age. I would like to briefly comment on the socialization issue. Most homeschool kids are more than "socialized." They can communicate with all people not just those in their age group. Socialization is not a good argument to make when discussing homeschool. If anything the kids are kept way from negative influences from this "socialization" you are talking about. Of course no one can keep their eyes on their children 24 hours a day, but homeschooling helps parents control most of what the child is exposed to. It's not sheltering, it's selective exposure. As for high school aged children and their labs, the parents can contact a local community college to enroll the child in a course (for no college credit) for help in this area.
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@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
3 Jan 08
If you are set on homeschooling, your local school system should have a book depository somewhere in the county. You can go there and get books for free even before the kids start school. Anyone can get books there. I still pick up the classics sometimes because they put old library books there too. The books are not in perfect condition but you can find all kinds and grades. There will be teachers editions with tests and answers which help ing the upper grades. It will also help you stay ahead of the kids and refresh your math and science skills ahead of them. Things do change.
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@schilds (410)
• United States
3 Mar 08
I have a 3 year old, and a 2 year old, so we aren't quite at school age yet, but this has been on my mind since the day I found out I was pregnant.Right now I think we will start with pre-k in the fall and see how it goes. I know my daughter needs more interaction with people outside of our family, but her dad and I both had problems in public school. Both of us were quick learners, and prone to boredom. I managed to overcome mine with the help of a very special teacher and become a straight A student, and learn to love schooling. But, my husband wasn't so lucky - he made it throught the 10th grade. He dropped out 3 times before finally giving up completely. He tried for his GED, but by then he had such an issue with classrooms, and testing - he couldn't even finish the test. So, I am unsure about public school, but I think we will give it a shot. Im also unsure whether I am up to the task of teaching my children. They are so bright, and stubborn I'm not sure I can have the disipline to teach them, and keep up with them myself.
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@AJ1952Chats (2332)
• Anderson, Indiana
3 Mar 08
Sounds as if you'll have three students in your homeschool class--with the oldest one being your husband!
I wonder if there might be a place where he could go to take his GED test besides a classroom, since he has issues there.
If you need any help with homeschooling/unschooling, look mu my goddaughter who is avonrep1 and can be found in this thread. She's an old hand at it with her three!
@CORDALE (866)
• United States
2 Jan 08
I dont homeschool my children but i dont frown upon those who do. School is getting dangerous with all the shootings and violence so I think families who can accomodate homeschoolings should be commended. perhaps in the future if we can afford one working spouse i may also homeschool as well.
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@AJ1952Chats (2332)
• Anderson, Indiana
2 Jan 08
That's for sure!
It certainly isn't the way it was when I was going to school--even though there are still many schools out there that have done some constructive things to make them more so.
Our organization (Invisible Youth Network) will be contributing to empowering kids more so that they won't have as great of a chance of joining gangs or coming to school in a rage with a loaded assault rifle.
http://www.freewebs.com/invisibleyouth/
@avonrep1 (1862)
• United States
25 Feb 08
I wrote about this when I first started homeschooling, but you know me AJ I love to talk about homeschooling or unschooling as we like to call it now, since that is more of how we do things.
I decided when my children were very small and I was teaching them their abc's and 123's that I would be a highly involed parent in my children's education.
I sent my kids to public school like everyone excepts you to and at first it was fine. I started reading to my kids in my belly, and when they were babies I would read to them, by the age of 3 both of my girls were reading and my son at the age of 2 started reading.
I also know that technology is here today and the future of tomorrow so I invested in early childhood educational software and my children all have been using computers since about the age of 1.
So when my oldest first started school, her teachers found her a big help, she would help the other students along and that was good for the first few years. By second grade though she was starting to get picked on because she was smart for her age was reading at an 9th grade level at that time and kids started bullying her. My youngest daughter start Kindergarden that year and things were okay for her, she is really shy, but has a photo graphic memory. She can describe in detail things she see for only a split second. Things were okay for her for a while as well.
The year my oldest entered third grade and my youngest entered Kindergarden is when things started to get really bad. The principal of our school was accused of abusing a student so they started letting the bullies get away with bullying other students.
I was a manager at McDonalds at the time and my son was going to an afterschool childcare program and a 4th grader was hitting him and pushing him down.
The pricipal said he would take care of it, but it kept happening. Around the same time, I was transferred to a different store, and became really unhappy with my job. I always prefer working for myself anyways. So I decided, it was time for a career change, so my kids could be with me right after school.
The teachers were really starting to make me really mad at this time. My daughter had started developing a health condition, that went undiagnois for over a year. They wouldn't let her go to the bathroom when she need to go, until I raised heck about it. My son's teacher wanted me to take my son and have him put on Ritilan because he would want to finish things he had already started before moving on to the next thing.
I am all about education, and I learned in college that every person on earth learns in a different way. You have audio learner, visual learners, and tactical/kensetic learners. And my son being a tactical learner don't learn in the traditional ways of learning.
Kids like him are often mislabeled as ADD/ADHD children. When his teacher told me that I need to take him to the doctor, I told her she need to reeducate herself on learning styles and if she ever stepped out of her place again and said that to me, I would sue, her because she is not a doctor and it is illegal for any educator in the state of Indiana to suggest that, it is illegal in many states.
The following year I had, had about enough. The first grade teacher my son had, also told me I need to take him to the doctor to be put on ritalin. I told her what I told his kindergarden teacher.
I started talking to my husband about homeschooling that night. We talked about it and thought, that it would be a good idea and decided when the current semester was up, that I would homeschool the children.
Then our daughter was hositpalized. We didn't know what was wrong, but something really bad was happening to her. She missed a week of school because she was in the hositpal. I didn't bother going and getting her missed work until, that Friday. She did it and told me it was done 2 and 1/2 hours later. I thought, no way she can have this done. So I checked her work, she had it done.
She went back to school that following week, and Friday came, I went to pick up the kids, like I always do and Macie walks up to me with a big welt on her neck crying, because she thought she was going to be in trouble, because a boy hit her in the neck and shoulder (she had a welt there too) and she told the teacher, they were both sent to the principal and she was kicked out of school.
I went and talked to the teacher, he agreed she shouldn't be suspended, but the pricipal thought other wise, so I told him no she wasn't that I was giving him notice, and would have it in writing Monday that my kids, were going to be transferred to private homeschooling.
That night, I got online and registered with the state. I had already been researching what I needed to do, I just got started earlier than what I planned. But I do not regret a day of it.
My children are flourishing and learning. They are growing their minds, and their horizons. They get to explore their interest fully, and not have to stop because it time to move on to the next subject.
My son started to regress educationally once he started public school, now I have him back on track and he is at grade level in all his subjects and a few above grade level.
My daughters are the same way and they love being homeschool. They best part they say is not having to get out in nasty weather, and not having to worry about grades. I don't give out grades. I did at first, but reliezed learning and mastering skills don't have nothing to do with grades.
We go to homeschool gym at the YMCA and my Pagan Homeschool group in East Central Indiana is starting a track and field team for all homeschooler in the area. (Religious affliations we don't want to know about) They get to go on field trips to places we learn about, and then them facts remain with them through experience.
You can't beat it. I love it and will keep homeschooling till they go off to college. I encourage anyone that is unhappy with their childrens education to take matters into their own hands. After all its our respondsibility as parents to make sure our children have what they need and education is apart of that need.
Great topic AJ Love ya.
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@AJ1952Chats (2332)
• Anderson, Indiana
27 Feb 08
Freed Academy Forever!!!
I hope that neither Macie nor Ryann & Karl EVER have to go back to a screwed-up system like that!
That just shows laziness on the part of the administration--being too lazy to get to the bottom of who's responsible and, instead, just expelling both students!
I can remember when I was in eighth grade and working so hard to make perfect attendance so that I could finally get one of those perfect attendance certificates after managing to be absent due to illness each year.
I came to school even when I didn't feel like it--which made my annual strep infection take several times longer to clear up, because I actually should have been at home in bed.
But I managed to finally pull perfect attendance, and I can remember how proud my teacher (who was also our principal) looked as he handed the certificate to me, because he knew how determined I was to get it.
Now, imagine my going through the same thing in this day and age and, perhaps, being just days away from finishing out the school year before getting expelled. That would have been so heartbreaking!
Of course, Mr. Creason wouldn't have had a stupid rule like that in his school!
If Mr. Creason were around to say something to that bunch of clowns over there, I can tell you about what he'd say--and with a purple face and a voice loud enough to be heard clear in Blackford County:
"WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH YOU YOU NIMCOMPOOPS!?! DON'T YOU KNOW HOW TO RUN A SCHOOL!?!"
@AJ1952Chats (2332)
• Anderson, Indiana
25 Feb 08
Thanks for sharing this! I didn't know about Macie's being expelled and the welts on her neck and shoulders. I knew that this older boy had punched her in the stomach.
But what on EARTH did those morons give as a reason to expel her? Because she reported that somebody had attacked her!?! That makes no sense whatsoever!!!
How did that bunch of clowns get to be faculty!?! The principal and teachers all seem dumber than a box of rocks. Any two-year-old could "teach" if his/her students were all zonked out on Ritalin to turn them into a bunch of rag dolls.
Anyway, I'm glad your kids are through with that dangerous waste of their time and are really getting a quality education now!
@avonrep1 (1862)
• United States
26 Feb 08
Aj nowdays even if you don't start it, and don't fight back, you get in the same trouble as the person the started it. It is a messed up system theses days. So I told Macie, if she ever does go back to public school and someone hits her to fight back, because the school is going to treat her like she did anyways, so she might as well get kicked out for doing something about it, instead of being kicked out listening to me, that it was better to walk away and tell a teacher or an adult. Not blind anymore that is for sure.
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@cripfemme (7698)
• United States
2 Mar 08
I think it depends on the kid. I would've gone crazy if I'd been homeschooled! School was my chance to get away from mom and dad and be a normal kid (I'm in wheelchair and normality was a pricey commodity).
@AJ1952Chats (2332)
• Anderson, Indiana
2 Mar 08
If you went to a decent school like I went to--which is also where a friend with cerebral palsy went to, graduating five years after I did--that would certainly be true.
School is one opportunity to have a sense of independence--which was, likely, in short supply in your home because your parents would be naturally protective of you.
With your peers you would have more of a chance to try new things and not be held back.
On the other hand, some of the schools today would have kids in there calling you a "spaz" while the teachers just looked the other way.
I can't remember just how old you are, but it seems as if you're, while still much younger than I am, of an age where you went to public schools when more of them operated in a civilized manner.
@sizzle3000 (3036)
• United States
3 Jan 08
I have a daughter who is going to graduate from public school this year. She is so smart and way ahead of the others that she is going to college classes in the afternoon and high school in the morning. I have seen first hand the teachers that at the high school level just do not care any more. The teacher are disrespected by the kids and there is always fight amoung the students. The public schools are small and in disrepair. The government in my state are doing nothing. In my state the public school here says if you get a D in one or more of your classes you can still pass to the next grade. I am not happy with this. However, they offered my daughter special classes to help her excel.
I wanted to home school my daughter but I just did not have the patience to do so. My girlfriend homeschools her children and they are on a higher level of education than they would be if they were in public school. I cas see the difference in her children's education and what the kids in my daughter's school is.
If I were just starting out with a family, I think I would definately do the homeschool thing.
@AJ1952Chats (2332)
• Anderson, Indiana
3 Jan 08
That's just lazy teaching for you--to simply pass kids from grade-to-grade-to-grade even if they can barely read and comprehend.
It seems as if a lot of things get "dumbed down" these days.
They "dumb down" the expectations of what is required of students to pass--AND they "dumb down" teaching to where it's nothing more than sitting in a classroom of between 20 and 30 Ritalin-managed kids.
Not to say that ALL teachers are like that, because I know some very dedicated ones.
But I'm just saying that this kind of mindset seems to be taking place far too often.
@AJ1952Chats (2332)
• Anderson, Indiana
3 Mar 08
I don't believe that a teacher should "flunk" or "fail" a child, either. Instead he/she should "retain" the child.
Flunking and failing are words that imply a defect in the child while retaining implies that the child needs more time to learn what's being taught.
@schilds (410)
• United States
3 Mar 08
Not sure how they have applied the new policies to high school aged children - but at the elementary level the teachers here - cannot - fail a child. They can recommend that they not go to the next grade, but the parents get the final choice. That's just nuts - that is how kids make it to high school without knowing how to read.
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@ersmommy1 (12588)
• United States
2 Jan 08
My husband and I have discussed doing the homeschooling. Right now our daughter is in a pre-kindergarten class. in Aug 2008 she will be in full day kindergarten. She likes school. Gets to ride a bus mornings a week. Right now the public school environment is good for her.But we are leaving it open as an option. Missouri has some wonderful resources, I've found. And should issues arise with her education or social environment we would really consider it as an option.
@AJ1952Chats (2332)
• Anderson, Indiana
2 Jan 08
Overall, the schools close to me seem to be doing a great job as well, but, if I had kids, I would pull them out in a New York minute if I heard about them getting bullied or if I knew that the school they were attending had a problem with addressing the issue of bullying.