Lakota tribe declares independence from the United States
@bravenewworld (746)
United States
January 2, 2008 5:23pm CST
Haven't seen any MyLot discussion of this topic.
The Lakota tribal group, whose territory covers parts of 5 states, have unilaterally pulled out of a bunch of treaties (citing repeated violations by the US government), and plan to set up a new country, issuing passports and driving licenses, and with no taxation (don't all rush at once).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/21/windian121.xml
Seems destined to fail, but an interesting idea (with reservations, haha). I can't see the US government allowing an autonomous foreign nation within the US mainland. However, they have every right to make this move, imho, and may garner significant international sympathy and support.
Anyone have more a more detailed analysis of the situation?
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@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
3 Jan 08
I wonder how the Government is going to take this news. And where are they going to set up this new country? There's alot of things to consider with this announcement. Definately something I want to follow along in the news.
**AT PEACE WITHIN**
~~STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS~~
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
3 Jan 08
The government will take the news with a very large grain of salt. They don't care about the declaration of independence. It is without merit.
Suppose you declared your house and land to be an independent country. Do you think the government would care or do anything? Of course, they would not until taxes came due. Then if you did not pay your taxes they would treat you like anyone else who did not pay their taxes.
Declarations of Independence by individuals without authority or a credible military are pretty much simply ignored. Non payment of taxes is not.
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@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
3 Jan 08
Yes, I see what you mean.
There was a couple not long ago that decided they weren't paying their taxes and set up their money so that they wouldn't have to. They ended up going to prison. Their home and belongings will probably be auctioned off to pay their back taxes.
**AT PEACE WITHIN**
~~STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS~~
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@bravenewworld (746)
• United States
3 Jan 08
I agree that this is an interesting, and perhaps significant development. Hard to say for sure. But depending on the solidarity of the people of the new nation, if it evovles, it would be difficult for the US government to enforce taxation and the like, in the same way it can for an individual property owner. Any resort to violence, which the US government is capable of, would bring an international outcry, and very bad domestic publicity. If Waco was a public relations disaster, this would be orders of magnitude worse.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
3 Jan 08
This article is an excellant example of how the major media misreports and misrepresents the news.
It is true that an activist named Russell Means and a group of Lakota Indians he represents have declared independence. However, the Lakota Indian tribe has done no such thing. Russell Means is not a chief or a part of the Lakota official leadership. He is a Lakotoa leader in the same sense Jesse Jackson is a Black Leader or a leader of the USA. That is, Russell Means is a self declared leader without offical capacity. His words mean nothing as to any action or declaration of the Lakota.
Here is a quote from another article about the subject.
"While the “official” Lakota tribes have not broken away, it is important to note that Means was once deprived of a tribal leadership role in a case involving voting fraud. While Means lost the election, a court upheld that vote fraud had occurred and ordered a new election. According to Wikipedia, that election was never conducted and the court never enforced its own decision. The organization Means currently represents is called the Lakota Freedom Delegation."
So, while Russell Means may or may not have been cheated in an election, he has no more authority to make proclamations for the Lakota than Al Gore, who many also think was cheated in an election, has to make statements on the behalf of the USA.
Here is the link to the article with the quote.
http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/20/russell-means-challenging-150-years-of-broken-treaties/
I am really tired of sloppy and/or dishonest, incomplete reporting.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
3 Jan 08
Adoniah,
Yes, you have to respect the group that stood up to the USA and pulled it off.
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@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
3 Jan 08
I had read your version too. But if you remember way back when. There is a group of Indians that does not have a treaty with the US and sort of does not recognize the US as its boss. They are the Seminole Tribe here in Florida. They tend to do what they want how they want down here and no one gives them any trouble.
They were slowly forced further and further south by the white man until finally they got into the Glades and then well the white man wouldn't follow them in there. They were real handy when the slaves needed a place to run to. They took in everyone that came to them no questions asked and sheltered and protected them. Awesome group of folks!
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@albert2412 (1782)
• United States
3 Jan 08
i wish them a lot of luck. The settlers came to America to steal our land and many of our women and children were raped and murdered. This wrong. all the land in America belongs to the american Indians.
@urbandekay (18278)
•
3 Jan 08
Excellent! Maybe Britain should support this group against the American rebels!
all the best urban
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@bravenewworld (746)
• United States
3 Jan 08
Yep. What goes around, comes around!
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@dreamy1 (3811)
• United States
2 Jan 08
Good for them. Being part Native American I'm just so angered at how the tribes have been cheated, scammed, tortured, killed and countless other atrocities perpetrated by the US government. I just don't have any words for the treatment Native American have suffered by the hands of such awful, greedy murderous people.
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@bravenewworld (746)
• United States
3 Jan 08
Yes, the treatment of the Native Americans has been shameful. Thanks for your response.
@Countrymom (371)
• United States
3 Jan 08
Although it is always tempting to go back to ones roots of Native America, it is rarely practical. Unfortunately for Lakota this too shall pass into a memory one day. As a Tsalagi/Lakota I invest heavily in my heritage and teach it to my children. I give them the freedom to choose their direction. I wish the elders choosing this route tohidu and wisdom in their pursuit though from the sounds of it this has been a dream of many of my people for decades.
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@bravenewworld (746)
• United States
3 Jan 08
Yes, I appreciate that sentiment. The wise approach is often not the confrontational one.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
3 Jan 08
I tried to check your link but I couldn't get it to load but I did check the link provided by another poster. Without being able to compare the two accounts I won't be able to give an opinion if you got the "right" information but regardless, I think I agree with you that they have every right to make this move and they may garner international sympathy. Weren't they the tribe featured in Dances With Wolves?
Annie
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@bravenewworld (746)
• United States
3 Jan 08
Sorry you couldn't follow the original link. It was a little light on specifics, anyway. You no doubt got the same information from your own link.
From a quick look at wikipedia, this does indeed appear to be the same tribe as that featured in Dances with Wolves. Thanks for pointing that out!
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@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
3 Jan 08
Redyellowblackdog has already pointed out your error so I will not belabor the point. It will be interesting to see if this does go anywhere. I doubt it though. This man does not have any backing to speak of and I do not think that the Lakota tribe is interested in this or him.
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@bravenewworld (746)
• United States
3 Jan 08
I think you're jumping to conclusions as much as I was. We'll see. Thanks for replying.
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@phillyeagles4eva (89)
• United States
3 Jan 08
It dosent really matter the US Gov will just shut it down anyway
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
8 May 08
I did not know anything about this move but doubt if
the government would allow another foreign nation inside
our borders.Why are they trying to fight all this stuff
from decades ago? It seems sort of fruitless to my way
of thinking.What our forefathers did has no bearing
on the people of today.