A Christian will never lose his faith or belief
By suspenseful
@suspenseful (40192)
Canada
January 2, 2008 9:14pm CST
I have heard of people confessing that Jesus Christ is their Lord and Savior and then falling away, doing bad things, and then later on when there is a revival meeting, going through the confessing thing again and even being re baptised, then falling away, re confessing until they die putting the Lord to an open shame, but in Joh 10:27 to 30 it says, My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
Therefore a Christian who is truthful in his or her belief, will never lose it. And therefore if a Christian stops believing the Jesus Christ came in the flesh and is the son of God and is now in heaven and stops believing the Bible, he never was one in the first place.
Comments? No flaming please.
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11 responses
@houndsgood (774)
• United States
3 Jan 08
Just like any parent's little kids, God's children are prone to being rebellious.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
4 Jan 08
We have to resist as the world seems a glamorous place beset with many dangers.
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@AmbiePam (93949)
• United States
3 Jan 08
I believe that if a person is a Christian and then they fall away and go back to being in the flesh, and then they die, they don't go to heaven. But I do believe they were a Christian in the beginning. But they then became a backslidden Christian. I don't believe in re-baptizing, and getting saved again and again. If you did it once, it's done. You can fall away and come back to the fold, but repentance is all that is required. No rituals need to be done again. However, I do believe some people say they are a Christian and then live the opposite way, and they really never did become a Christian, they were just caught up in an emotional momement.
@AmbiePam (93949)
• United States
4 Jan 08
Slickcut,
I agree, it is not a sin to get re baptized. Some people are really adamant in making a completely new start after they repent, and they like the ceremony feel of it to make it official. Isn't great God isn't as particular as we are? So many churches are caught up in legalism.
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@slickcut (8141)
• United States
3 Jan 08
You are right Ambie, if a christian does backslide then all they need to do is repent and try to do better.God will forgive them, they do not need to get rebaptized all they need to do is repent..but if they feel like they want to get rebaptized it is ok, its not a sin to do so, but it is not necessary..If they fall away in a backsliden condition and go back to the flesh as you so,i do not believe they will make heaven either..if they die in their sinful condition.
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@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
3 Jan 08
I agree with AmbiePam. That once saved always saved theology can be a dangerous teaching. The main reason I say this is because there are many scriptures that both sides can use, if not once saved always saved is not true, then many can be lead down the wrong path..
@dfollin (25381)
• United States
3 Jan 08
This is true I have never really thought about it.I have known people to walk the walk with God and then get pulled away from the Godly life.Then later the end up back with Godly people in his/her life and some have gotten re-baptised.That got pulled away from that life,but never did not believe that Jesus was not our savior.
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@slickcut (8141)
• United States
3 Jan 08
Well i think you are talking about people who backslide., that does not mean that they quit believing in God, it only means that they have failed to come up to their potentional and need to rededicate their life to Christ.I know people who will go to church will live for God but they can fall away and get cold and they might do bad things but they still believe in God, they are just not living the way they should, but they know it,and they believe in God...When revivals come into town and they go, the preacher preaches and encourges them and they feel the drawing of God and they go back and repent and try again to live for God...That does not mean that they were never saved , it only means that they have grown cold...Once you are saved does not mean that you will always be the perfect christian, people fail God all the time but God always has his hand on them..Its like your child , your child is yours but he will sometimes do bad things but he is still your child, and he will come and tell you he is sorry and you forgive him, and he tries to do better..Christians need encouragement and if they get into the wrong crowd or do not pray and stay close to God they can grow cold..Jesus said to sin not , but IF you do, you have an advocate with the father and he will forgive your sins....I have seen many believers fall from grace but they still believe in God..I do not think if a christain grows cold and needs to renew his faith, that does not mean that he was never saved , it only means he is a wayward child of God, and needs to repent...I believe once a believer always he will believe, but that does not mean he will not fail and backslide...I do not feel once saved always saved.....That is a fluke to believe that.
@Rozie37 (15499)
• Turkmenistan
3 Jan 08
It took a while for me to get my mind around what you said, but you are absolutely right. If you start with Jesus, you will stay with him. But, what matters is the heart. He says they draw near to my in outward ways, but their out is far from me.
There is another place in scripture where it talks about how they have turned away from following us, because they were not one of us. If they had been one of us, they would have continued with us. I am paraphasing because I do not have my concordance near me and don't remember exactly where these scriptures are.
He says, if you continue in the faith, not if you start off and then keep turning back, but he that endures to the end, shall be saved. In other words, if you do not endure to the end, you are faking it. The Bible says that nothing will separate us from the love of God. That wouldn't count if you were never in his love in the first place. But, once your heart is toward God, it is toward God throughout eternity. Thank you, that was a blessing indeed.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
5 Jan 08
I always wondered why some people just give up, but if they were not of us, then it was only natural. God has not entered their hearts. I also remember that God never gives us more temptations than what we can endure. That does not refer to the non=Christians who are just pretended and a way to know if you are a Christian or a hypocrite is whether you stand to the very end.
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@Zelmarq (12607)
• Cebu City, Philippines
3 Jan 08
Yes I agree with you, A Christian is always a Christian, though we also have fair shar eof trials and struggles but we never loose the hope, the peace and the love in Jesus our saviour. Lets press on and continue the race running for Jesus and winning the prize.
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
4 Jan 08
We will never lose our faith, no matter what the world says.
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@deebomb (15304)
• United States
3 Jan 08
And therefore if a Christian stops believing the Jesus Christ came in the flesh and is the son of God and is now in heaven and stops believing the Bible, he never was one in the first place. I'm sorry but I don't agree with you on this one. The devil is waging war against us every minuate of every day, and sometime some will listen. but god will take that person back as many times as is neccessary.:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I believe that this vers us saying that God dosen't let go of us but it dosen't say we can't let go of him. Matthew 18 peter asks Jesus how many time must he forgive someone that has sinned agoinst him and Jesus said 70x7 So why would god not also forgive as many or more times. we really don't know what is in the heart of the person you spoke of at the time he gave his heart to Jesus only God does. I do believe that we can lose our faith become lost and be saved again.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
4 Jan 08
Once God choses you, even before you understand, you will start to live a Christian lifestyle and be guilty when you do wrong. Once you make your profession of faith, you are recognized as an adult Christian, and if you were not baptised, will be baptised then. However if you do something immoral and do not repent after warnings, you will be excommunicated, but all you need to do is to amend your life and ask for readmission to the Lord's Supper, but you do not need to be rebaptized as you were still a Christian. You did not read the whole context, you took one or two sentences out of it. I meant that a Christian would never stop believing in God, he might do some sins such as what would get him excommunicated for a time. If someone decided that there was no God, then he was not a Christian in the first place. Now it could be that a heathen who did not believe in God, would now start to believe in God, it would be that God had opened his heart and from then on he would be a believer, but if he did for a while and then fell away, he was a hypocrite.
@vanities (11395)
• Davao, Philippines
7 Jan 08
well thats a very good interpretation in one of the verses of the bible!! but just remember that God is a very forgiving God ..He welcomes those who return to His Fold... He had given as the free will to choose bet. bad and evil..
and as for the interpretation above for me it means that a christian fall out still can be one as long as he ask forgiveness to all bad things done but if he still continues doing bad..then he has no place in Gods kingdom..
@SheliaLee (2736)
• United States
5 Jan 08
I agree with you wholeheartedly suspenseful. Thank you for sharing this discussion with us. God Bless!
SheliaLee
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
4 Jan 08
Hi suspenseful, There appears to be dozens of opinions on this. I know Christians who say that once a person is saved, he cannot be lost no matter how he/she lives after that. Others are always falling away, as they call it, and shortly after that getting saved again. Now you seem to be saying that if a Christian falls away, he/she was never a Christian in the first place. I know that there are different definitions of the term Christian, but I believe you mean someone who has accepted Jesus Christ as their personal saviour, or does it mean more than that to you? Blessings.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
5 Jan 08
I can compare it to a certain gene added by God and not inherited from their parents that we can call the Christian factor. Having or not having does not make the person better mentally or physically, but it makes a difference spiritually. If you are given this Christian gene, no matter what you do, you will always feel guilty about your sins even when you do them. So someone with a Christian gene may decide to overcome his shame and make an error in his favor on his income tax, but he will feel guilty even if it just a little bit. Someone without the Christian gene will think it is okay and brush it off. So both men can fall away and do bad things, but the one with the Christian gene will ask God for forgiveness and mean it and when they do find a church, the one with the Christian gene will keep with it, while the other one will not and the latter will base the church on how he feels not on the message.
So the one with the Christian gene when he accepts Christ or makes his profession of faith, he was one since he was born, while the one that God did not insert the Christian factor, accepted Christ, and you know the parable of the sower, that whereever the seed feel that determined the heart of the person.
So if you accepted Christ as your savior, and did not have the Christian factor in your brain from the beginning, you would endure for a time but then something would come up, lets say, a bad guy in your neighborhood wins a million dollars, while a poor man is framed for murder and is executed and the one who beats and abuses a baby gets away with it, and you give up on Christ. I AM USING THIS AS EXAMPLE, I DO NOT MEAN Pose123.
That's as easy as I can explain.
@meetas (36)
• India
3 Jan 08
there is always some thing good and bad in front of u ,it is your choice and will ,what to choose ,jesus is the saviour he sacrifice his life for us ,he showed the path to us to walk he never said no to hurdle or problems but he promised to support in the time of troubles,and to give vision to choose in the time of temptation
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
5 Jan 08
That is what I believe that Jesus Christ will be with us even if we fail because HE knows our human frailties, therefore there is no need for a Christian to be rebaptised if he fails or say "well I got drunk last night, so when I did I quit being a Christian, so I want to rejoin the church and be baptised again." It leads to fear and hopelessness.
