Protecting the identity of a minor?
By patgalca
@patgalca (18366)
Orangeville, Ontario
January 7, 2008 12:08am CST
A 15 year old girl was murdered in Toronto last week. Her parents are both police officers. Two teenagers have been arrested but because they are minors they cannot be identified by the media. However, friends of the victim know who they are and apparently went on Facebook and talked about the accused thereby disclosing their identity.
Do you believe these younger offenders should be protected just because they are minors? They stabbed and killed a young girl. The whole city is mourning her death. I believe they should be identified. I see no reason why their identity should be protected. Maybe lowering the age is a better option but why should a person who is 17 and killed someone not allowed to be identified while the guy in the cage next to him who is 18 CAN be identified?
If their identities were revealed, do you think this would deter the crimes committed by minors?
Your thoughts?
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9 responses
@dania_elm (421)
• United States
7 Jan 08
i dont think that it would do anything about the crime rate by minors but i do think if a minor commits a serious crime like this the community does have a right to know they could get out on bond and harm someone else
@BarBaraPrz (47313)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
7 Jan 08
Yes yes yes! Sometimes the media reports something about "a 17-year-old MAN" (emphasis mine) which is ridiculous, but in cases like this, they're stymied by The Law (and we know what Shakespeare said about THAT). There is a certain element of young thugs who are smug in the fact that they can't be identified, so push the limits. When Steven Truscott was (wrongfully) convicted of murder and sentenced to hang, he was only 14. Now, I'm not saying the "kids" in this case should be sentenced to hang, but they shouldn't be coddled either. At the very least, they should be identified, especially as, as you stated, a large number of people already know who they are.
(Wow! Wasn't expecting to rant so early in the day.)
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@patgalca (18366)
• Orangeville, Ontario
7 Jan 08
And isn't everyone innocent until proven guilty? A minor could be shunned by society even if proven not guilty by the simple fact that he was, let's say, an innocent bystander who did nothing to stop the crime.
The sad part is that this is happening at all and that this debate is taking place.
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@citygirl (1080)
• Canada
8 Jan 08
I live in Toronto so I familiar with the case you are talking about. I believe they should be identified at15 an 17 you know what you are doing is wrong, they also know they can get away with it. Perhaps if the child was under 10 I might see a reason to not identify them but anything over ten should be in my opinion. I truly hope they try them as adults both of them. We seriously need to change the young offenders act in Canada, as so many kids are killing kids don't you agree.
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@tess1960 (2385)
• United States
8 Jan 08
I think the age limit shoud be changed to 16 for minors committing murder. I do not think it will deter anything as if it is in a person to kill they will kill. Hopefully the court system will try them as adults as that can and often is done. At 17, I see no reason to protect them from the adult system as they are practically adults already. Then again many 17 years olds are as nieve as say 12 year olds. It is a hard subject.
I do hope the facebook discussions will not change the outcome of the trials against these murderous teens.
And remember they are innocent until proven guilty. This is what many fear in teen cases. What if they are innocent and an adult really commited the crime? Another hard to deal with scenario.
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@nkhanna (922)
• India
7 Jan 08
well i think those guys identity should definately be revealed since they did a crime for which they should be punished and be exposed to the media.so that it can be set as an example for those minors who do this kind of crimes in their minor age or might be if they are being forced to do so.they are just to be adult so i really dont find any reason to hide thier identity.and the worst tihng is that they did not do any small mistakes for which they could be lfet,they are murderers,who should be punished by all means.i mean was that igrls fault so much that they got the right ot take her life ?????who are they to take a life ?????
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@patgalca (18366)
• Orangeville, Ontario
7 Jan 08
I totally agree that they should be punished, and I am sure they will be. Unfortunately they will probably be tried as juveniles as opposed to adults... another reason why the age of minority thing should not come into play. Is revealing their names going to set an example for other minors anymore than the story itself?
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@mag_keizer2007 (1282)
• Canada
7 Jan 08
I have always thought they should be identified. They know what they are doing....why should they be protected....that child was not protected when she was being murdered. What a sin...it makes me so made to hear about youth crime...we had something like this here in halifax, the girl i think she was 16 was beaten for hours, tormented, burned with cigerrates, and the two that did it have been arrested but they are being protected under the act....makes me mad.
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@katisaurus (1038)
• Canada
8 Jan 08
Disclosing the name's don't make any difference in the crime rates with minors. I don't necessarily agree that their names should be given out, because there's people out there, who, when they disapprove of something you've done, or are doing, they will personally do something to ensure that it doesn't happen again. The Youth Criminal Justice Act is the way it is to protect minors from being from publicity, this gives them a better chance to rehabilitate and change, improve or grow up. The less their names are said the better chance they have. NOW, I'm not saying they don't deserve punishment for what they did and they don't deserve time. But by not sharing their names with the world they're given a second chance. Which I believe isnt necessarily fair because if names weren't disclosed of adults who commit the same crimes, they might have a chance to rehabilitate. The only exception to this rule is if the minor is transferred to adult court and tried as an adult. Or something along those lines.
@patgalca (18366)
• Orangeville, Ontario
8 Jan 08
And what of the current situation and the fact that technology makes it impossible to keep the identity secret when friends of the victim and the accused are talking about it all over the internet? The law says the media cannot disclose their names, but you can't stop tongues from wagging. Do we need to update the law? Personally, if I knew the victim and knew that someone who knew the victim had been arrested for the crime, I would want to know who it was.
@katisaurus (1038)
• Canada
8 Jan 08
And I agree. I would want to know who these people are aswell, but you can't change the law. Yes, people talk and there's nothing you can do about it. But the reasons the MEDIA cannot disclose their names is so they are given a chance with the public that don't know them. And in the long run it creates difficulty for them in the future. Unfortunately the public posting the names of these people on the internet is technically illegal because the internet is a form of media, which means these things need to be reported and deleted off the sites. But again, there's nothing you can do. Present your case and reasoning but the YCJA is the way it is for a reason, and all you can do is argue it.
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@MntlWard (878)
• United States
8 Jan 08
They've been *arrested* for the crime. That does not mean that they *committed* the crime, although one would hope that the police wouldn't have arrested them without strong evidence of their guilt.
So until such time as they've been convicted, their identities should be protected.