Please explain this to me....like I'm a 5 year old.....
By jtownesquire
@jtownesquire (104)
United States
January 17, 2008 10:58am CST
First, let me say that the only reason I am putting this on here is o I can stop hearing about how I never post any discussions.
Second, I do get the irony of posting this question on here given the subject to be discussed, but I also figure this is the best place to get an answer since this "forum" is part of the subject.
So, here it goes....
Can someone, anyone, explain to me why so many people find it so much easier to ask complete strangers for advice on their lives when they won't actually speak to the other people in their lives that have some interest in the decisions that are being pondered? Why can't people stop hiding behind anonymous computer screens looking for someone to give them a magic answer?
There are no magic answers. I suspect peopel do this because they are looking for someone to justify what it is they already want to do. It's easier to find a stranger or two who will support your decision than to find people close to you who may actually know the entire story.
So, since all of you people seem to find this whole anonymous advice seeking to e beneficial....explain it to me. Because I don't get it.
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@cynicalandoutspoken (4725)
• United States
17 Jan 08
I don't really see it is asking for advice. I see it as asking others opinions. When I post a discussion I am looking for others peoples thoughts on the particular topic. I never post a discussion hoping to get some "magical answer". Sometimes not being involved in a situation allows the commentor to supply an unbiased opinion. Another thing to consider is that just maybe the person asking for the opinion can't talk to the other person/people in their life about whatever the issue is. And not for lack of trying. Some people don't like to have to pull teeth to try to get someone to contribute to a conversation.
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@jtownesquire (104)
• United States
17 Jan 08
Is the opinion "unbiased" or "uninformed"? If the person responding doesn't know the facts about a situation, how can anything they say be helpful?
And I don't see how you could not talk to the people in your life about the situations you are asking strangers "opinions" on. Maybe it seems like pulling teeth because you aren't really trying to talk to them yourself. Maybe you need to be direct. Then again, maybe you just don't like the opinion they are giving.
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@cynicalandoutspoken (4725)
• United States
17 Jan 08
Of course people don't post every ounce of information about a subject in their discussions. Discussions would be 10,000 lines long and never get read if people were to start doing that. So sure, ok, the opinions that are being given are coming only from the information the commentor has available to them. But obviously the poster of the discussion feels that information is adequate for people to form an opinion.
And again with the not talking to the people involved in the topic in real life....
I for one will not badger someone to talk to me about anything. I ask once maybe twice what is wrong and if I am told nothing then I am taking that as truth and letting it go.
If the topic isn't something that can be brought up in a "What's wrong" conversation then the other person is just as capable of coming to me and saying "Hey why don't we talk about this"? It's not like I am the only one who thinks these things are topics that need to be addressed.
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@jtownesquire (104)
• United States
17 Jan 08
But if the topic poster is the one deciding what information to give, then aren't they just giving the information they want the repliers to hear/know? Doesn't that stack the deck?
As for the rest...I agree. If you ask hat is wrong the the person says nothing...then take it at that. Either it's the truth or they just don't want to talk about whatever it is at that point.
That doesn't address the situation where the poster has something to talk about and doesn't raise it with the people/person in real life. Mot people aren't mind readers.....they need to be told there is something bothering the person. Or at least WHAT is bothering them. You can't blame a person for not talking about a problem or situation that they don't even know is a problem or situation. And asking for opinions from people online isn't going to getthe poster any closer to having that talk with the other person. At least not until they have heard enough of what tey wanted to hear in the first place to make any conversation they do have meaningless.
@cynicalandoutspoken (4725)
• United States
18 Jan 08
You seem to really be hung up on the whole "poster controlling what information is given to the reader" for the opinions to be formed. I'm sure you have learned by now that is human nature. Even when we are retelling something that happened to our real life friends some of us leave out things that we didn't find important or even things that may tend to make us look unfavorable. If that is what the poster is doing only the poster knows that so it is then up to the poster to decide what advice or opinions to listen to based on the information they gave and the facts that are only known to them.
Not everyone is like you apparently. Not everyone can sit down and logically work through everything in their life that may be bothering them without some insight from somewhere.
You trust yourself implicitly. Hooray for you. The rest of us mere mortals need a friendly word or a different view every once and a while before we are comfortable making decisions.
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@jtownesquire (104)
• United States
18 Jan 08
Isn't that refreshing?.....to be portrayed as somehow putting myself above others simply for asking a question and responding to the replies I get.
First of all, I know we all leave out the "unimportant" details. Hence the problem. Just because we see it as "unimportant" doesn't mean that it is. In fact, that just may be the detail that is causing the difference in opinion or would sway an opinion.
Secondly, leaving out something that may "make us look unfavorable", si exactly the point. It may be very important but it is left out of the explanation. Then any opinion that is rendered is skewed.
Thirdly, I don't work through everything logically on my own. I seek input from the people who know me and whom I know and trust.
Finally, I don't necessarily trust myself implicity. I just know that I would trust myself before someone I don't know from China or Uraguay or somewhere. Obviously, they have no stake in the outcome and if their "opinion" results in a worse situation for me...what do they care?
So, I think I have my answer on the subject.
Thank you all for your input.
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@sedel1027 (17846)
• Cupertino, California
17 Jan 08
I believe that people get the advice of "strangers" because they are looking for a different view on what is going on in their lives. You probably have an idea how someone close to you would answer or the advice they would give, but that is not beneficial to seeing all aspects of a situation.
@jtownesquire (104)
• United States
17 Jan 08
That may be true, but if the person you are seeking an opinion from doesn't know you or your situation, then how can their opinion mean anything?
Thanks for the reply though.
@sedel1027 (17846)
• Cupertino, California
17 Jan 08
How much they know, depends on how muc information you give. If you explain the full situation (which many people on MyLot do) then the person giving advice does know everything they need to form a vaild stance and give good advice.
@jtownesquire (104)
• United States
17 Jan 08
But if the poster only gives the bare minimum of information...or only the information they "feel" is necessary, then aren't they just stacking the deck to get ansers/opinions that support what they want to hear? What's the purpose of that?
@raijin (10345)
• Philippines
18 Jan 08
I really can't help you on that, since I don't get too much involved about these topics/discussions. For me, I find it really way too uncomprehensible. Since most of the times, people only tend to comment on the responses that "agrees" with them and ignore that disagrees but do made valid points.
Some people tend to bring their life stories here, a sort of seeking comfort and assurance that they are walking along the right path(?). But for me, I don't really want to get involved with such as these because I know that I have my own troubles to worry about. It is better if I would solve all of the first, before I offer my "realistic" advice..
@raijin (10345)
• Philippines
19 Jan 08
You know, this has also been a question of mine eversince. But I thought of not posting them here, because lots of the members won't even admit that most of the times they are just looking for something that would agree to what they believe in. Not too forget, most of us are also here for some earnings.
@jtownesquire (104)
• United States
18 Jan 08
I agree with that....that was sort of my confusion. If the poster controls the information that the commentors have, then aren't they really just looking for people to respond and agree with them? What good is that?
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
18 Jan 08
I don't know really but I have asked for advice on here in the past. For one thing, you get a much wider range of thoughts than you would just asking or discussing a subject within a close circle of friends. I am not "hiding" behind my computer screen, I don't feel. I doubt that most of us are. The number of people that I know that can actually relate to some situations and the time I have to discuss the issue is sometimes limited. I take care of my mother all day and then go to work for second shift. Also, if I had a very personal problem, such as a relationship problem or such...i do think I would feel more comfortable talking on here. I would not want my friends or our friends involved in our problems if there were a chance of maybe working things out. I'm very private when it comes to that sort of thing and it is not really anyone's business so in a case such as that...yes i guess i would "hide" behind this screen. Also, one post prevents one from talking one's friends ears off about a problem. ONe does not have to personally know you to be able to relate to your situation! Look at how long people have been writing to Dear Abbey and other advice colums and hiding behind their pens!
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
19 Jan 08
I do get what you are saying but i'm not sure I entirely agree with you. Of course it is best say in a relationship for the 2 people to work things out together. Sometimes that is not so easy. We sometimes need some outside input. In such a case, I do really feel it would be fairer to seek opinion from an unknown party rather than air our dirt with my friends or our mutual friends. That can be awkward you know when things pass and get better or even if they don't. whatever I say about"us" is his personal business as well as mine. Of course if we have a disagreement and I seek advice and venting then the deck will more than likely be stacked in my favor because obviously i am not understanding his side at all nor he mine thus the argument. sometimes simply venting and knowing that others out there understand me helps and then I'll figure it out from there on my own without my friends or anyone pushing me to do what "they" think I need to do and without having to answer follow up questions. sometimes just talking out about a problem helps and we don't really everyone we know to know our personal business and this is a way to do that.
@jtownesquire (104)
• United States
18 Jan 08
It just makes more sense to me to work out your problems or situations with the person or people who are involved. Afterall, doesn't it really come down to how YOU and THEY see the situation? John Q. Anonymous from Indiana or China or wherever can't really give you much insight on the circumstances facing you. Especially if the poster only gives them the information the poster wants them to have.
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@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
18 Jan 08
It never hurt to get as much info about a situation as possible. No matter who it is from. Research my dear, research! When you do a report do you just find the one book you know about and use only that? No, you find many books that you have never heard of and include that information in your report too. I totally understand why you are asking this - I have wondered it too. But in my wondering (in some cases, we wander so far we get lost!) but hearing it from someone you don't know - hearing their point of view or thoughts, suggestions etc, often just gives you thought that can help you make your decision. Or maybe something you hadn't though of before. I also believe that hearing something from someone that doesn't know you or what you are dealing with is often a good sounding board. "here's my problem, tell my what you think". If they haven't been through it, their reponse might be so simple, it'll spark something in you to say "Oh, I hadn't thought of that!" and you didn't think of that simply cause you have been thinking of so much so often, you just got bogged down with it all and missed a common sense little thing that could at least be part of the answer. And you wouldn't have learned that had you not takled to someone that didn't know you or your situation.
Questions are research. how much you research is your choice. How much o fyour research you use is your choice. But my theory is "better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it" holds true with advise and problem solving. Often too - someone "outside" the box is a good option - another set of eyes - a set of eyes that don't see all the problems that you see cause you are right in the middle of all of the problems and might not see anything cause of them. Never hurt to ask. And it is your choice as to what you do with the answer
@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
18 Jan 08
I think you are making a huge deal out of nothing - like unto the saying "you can please all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you can't please all the people all the time"
It could be stacking the deck as you say, but only if you let it. Why are you even asking in the first place? Are you really asking to actually solve the problem? I dont' think so. If you ask for help, cause that is human nature (well, for many it is!) When you do a report, do you just write your report with only what you know about the topic or do you go to the library and read books about it and collect information you think is good for your report so you get an A?
You have to look at it as not "getting an answer" but as "collecting information" and then you and only you can take all that info and make the desicion you think is best.
Another set of eyes could see things you don't cause you have looked at it all for so long it is all "running together" and you miss things.
The opinion or thought of someone totaly not connected to the personal part of the problem (or you) can often see things clearer cause they aren't bogged down with all the personal issues.
And just cause someone has "been there, done that" still doesnt' mean they have the answer. IT worked for them but that doesn't mean it will work for you. But at least it is on the positive side of the argument.
If you don't want to take advise from someone that has experience, and you don't want to discuss with someone that doesn't know the whole story, and you don't think you should talk with someone close to you, then the solution is simple. Talk to yourself. Yourself is the only one that knows the whole story, you know yourself so you can trust that and yourself has been there done that. Yourself satisfies all the criteria you are questioning so ask yourself and do what yourself says!
@jtownesquire (104)
• United States
18 Jan 08
I agree to an extent. But that is sort of my point. You ahve to gather as much information as you can to make the best decision. So, how can a stranger online give you any sort of competent input when the poster is the one who controls how much information the commentor has? The poster is getting a lot of input but that input is based on limited information that the poster provides. Again, stacking the deck to get answers that conform to what the poster wants to hear probably.
@subha12 (18441)
• India
18 Jan 08
I think when people do not get the answer in their known world, they try to find it here. the members here are from all over the world. They are from different countrues,cultures and perspectives. so it seems that they can give varied opinion which can be very helpful. I have myself really found Varied and useful ideas from this wonderful forum and that much wonderful people here in mylot.
@tinkerbell07 (36)
• United States
17 Jan 08
I see askin for advice from strangers very helpful. they don't kno you so they can't judge you. they can look in from wut u tell them but not kno exactly wuts goin on and help.
@jtownesquire (104)
• United States
17 Jan 08
If they don't know exactly what's going on, then any input they have to give is likely going to worthless. Advice and opinion has to be based on knowing the facts and circumstances surrounding the situation.
@tinkerbell07 (36)
• United States
18 Jan 08
u would tell them wuts goin on...it helps to get an outsiders point if view
@angieang (262)
• United States
18 Jan 08
I don't think people do it necessarily to have advice on situations, but to have interaction. I get addicted to this page just by seeing what other people say and go through. I have learned many things I didn't know, and make up stories just to bring forth conversation. Sure, some strangers give good advice, and for some it's easier to share problems with strangers to keep from hurting friends and families.