Too many litters?
@christieswebb (238)
United States
January 22, 2008 12:43pm CST
We have a 6 year old golden retriever and she is about to have her 4th litter.
Is she too old to have another?
Her first litter was at 6 months by accident. I had no idea dogs went into heat that young.
Over the last 2 years he has had 3 litters. All of them are full blooded golden retrievers because we also have the male and take complete care of them. We do not dump them at shelters or on the side of the road.
We wanted to get her fixed before Christmas but she went into heat so we were waiting until she was done to do it. Our son did not know she was in heat and let the 2 dogs get together so another accident litter.
My husband does not want her to get fixed but I say 6 is too old for any more. Am I right?
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@bellaofchaos (11538)
• United States
22 Jan 08
Most of the breeders I know or have dealt with will between the ages of 6-8 retire the dog it all depends on the dog. Good luck.
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@houndsgood (774)
• United States
22 Jan 08
Anyway, you CAN get a dog fixed when they are in heat. Some vets will charge more because there is more blood, etc, but it is better to fix them than it is to let them have more. Also, keep in mind a dog is in heat longer than when humans "notice" that they are in heat. I know not everyone likes to do it while they are in heat, but being involved in animal rescue I have seen it done successfully many times.
Tell your husband that the price of a spay is an excellent investment. It is a small price to pay rather than paying for surgery for edmometriosis, uterine, or ovarian cancer down the road. Not to mention all the money that you have put into properly vaccinating, feeding the puppies, etc.
Also, I know you say you aren't dumping puppies at the pound, but with the puppies she keeps cranking out, that takes a home from a puppy who WAS dumped at the shelter. There are only so many homes for them all. Also, there is the matter of where your puppies are going. Do you know all of the families the past ones went too and can say without a doubt that they have a good life with a family who will keep them forever and properly vaccinate and care for them? With 3 litters, i would doubt that you were able to keep tabs on them all.
I suggest that you neuter the male dog NOW. Then spay the mother after her babies are at least 8 weeks. A
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
23 Jan 08
Good Lord, that poor dog is physically exhausted. My one dog was a stud for a guide dog organization, non of their broods had litters closer then 2 years apart for the health of the dog.
Please get her fix before you kill her!
@sacmom (14192)
• United States
22 Jan 08
I hate to ask, but are your dogs shown or are they pet quality animals? Reputable breeders will only breed their dogs that are proven in the ring and had all their health checks done by a veterinarian. Pet quality animals should ALWAYS be spayed and neutered, even those that are purebred, if they are not going to be shown. My own two purebred dogs have been fixed as I wasn't interesting in showing them (in the show ring). I had this done when they were 6 months old.
But to answer your question, no, she is not too old to breed. But please, reconsider letting her do so, if she is only a pet. As I like to say, leave breeding to the professionals. :)
@lightningd (1039)
• United States
23 Jan 08
I have to disagree with you. I raised Pembroke Welsh Corgis and honnestly they are a great companion dog. If I raised only show dogs, my prices would have had to be rediculous and locating good quality stud dogs of the same show stock would cause stud fees to be rediculous as well. Thus driving the prices way up for people who want a good family dog with a good personality.
While I agree that if you do not intend to breed your dogs, they should be spayed or neutered, I have to disagree with your position that if you don't show your dog, you should have them fixed, that just seems to me like a form of biggotry.
Take another example, Hunting dogs. If people only bred their Britany dogs for show, where would the average bird hunter go to get good hunting dogs?
My Pembroke Welsh Corgi was a granddaughter of one of the Queen of England's dogs. She was picture perfect and most definitely of show quality. Her father had earned his champion marks. That didn't mean I had to show her to breed her. I bred her to sell puppies to people who wanted good companion dogs at a reasonable price.
I was a reputable breeder. My animals, all kinds, get regular veterinary care, while I did do most of my own vaccinations except rabies, which in my state requires a vet to do. I did my own tail docking and dew claw removal.
Backyard breeders who don't overbreed, and take great care to see that their puppies are properly registered and go to good homes should be able to do so without people saying they aren't quality show dogs. My last female Australian Cattle Dog was show quality and she wasn't even papered. According to an Australian veterinarian I met, she was the ideal breed standard. Stood correctly, the markings were perfect in size, and she was of the perfect height/weight. This vet informed me that she was also a show judge in Australia. She was at the local veterinary college teaching, and I had gone in to pick up some coggins tests for my horses and had the dog with me.
@sacmom (14192)
• United States
23 Jan 08
I never said puppies had to be show quality to be sold as a pet/companion. Nor do all reputable breeders sell their dogs at a high price, nor do they make a profit very often, if at all. At least this is how the ones I met were. I have even known such a breeder to give away a pup or two for free...and these were purebred puppies! My own dogs were priced lower than usual, yet came from reputable breeders that usually sell pet quality dogs for more than what I paid. Sure, they have one fault that makes them undesirable in the show ring, yet backyard breeders have been known to overcharge for this same fault and call these dogs "exotic" instead. They are the ones cheating the customers out of their hard earned money.
Some backyard breeders may not over breed their pets, but in reality most of them do, especially the ones that are in it for the money. They want as much money they can get from these animals before these pets die, and if it means pumping out pups, then so be it. And still most charge the same price as reputable breeders, especially if they are purebred, yet don't even get the health checks done, that as you know are so costly to breeders such as yourself. Shouldn't any pet owner that wants to breed their pets do at least this to help insure their pets don't have problems that they could pass on to their offspring which can be so costly in the long run for the buyers, if it turns out there ARE problems? All these costs that the buyer has to dish out can rack up to a lot more than one could have paid for from a reputable breeder, plus with a reputable breeder customers can have peace of mind that if their pet happened to have health problems, they can return said pet to the breeder and have the option of getting another pet, get a refund, or keep their current pet. But with buying from a backyard breeder, customers do not have this option to return their pet or get a refund. Or do they? Please enlighten me, because I have never heard of such a thing.
Also, what happens to these animals, if heaven forbid the new owner has to get rid of their pet for one reason or another? Reputable breeders tend to take these animals back so the can try and find them another home. But the customers that got their pets from backyard breeders may drop them off at the pound (even if it is a last resort), because backyard breeders want nothing to do with them or their pets. Just look at all the animals in shelters. Sadly most of these are put down because of so many people don't want to get their pets spayed or neutered and these animals have litters (whether it is one or several).
Spaying and neutering not only helps to keep the pet population down, but it can help pets be healthier too. Even temperament wise. I always hate hearing these horror stories of people (mostly kids) being attacked by the family dog. And almost always the dog wasn't fixed. I was attacked by such a dog when I was a kid. He was fully intact, but wasn't being bred. He was just a part of the family. The attack was unprovoked, but since he had all those extra hormones, maybe he felt I was a threat, who knows?
I have no doubt there are good and bad breeders out there, whether they are backyard or reputable. But I'd rather go with a reputable breeder any day, just because of some of the things I mentioned.
Sorry, If I'm babbling, it's late, I'm tired, and you hit a nerve. LOL
I'll get off my soapbox now. Goodnight! :)
@lightningd (1039)
• United States
22 Jan 08
In my experience of breeding corgis and heelers, I find it is best for the female to only have one litter per year. I think they need a good break in between litters, but that's just me. Some people will breed back to back litters throughout the breeding life of the dog. I don't think that is fair to the dog.
As far as her age, no 6 isn't too old for having puppies. I have seen dogs still having puppies at 10. It really depends on the dog, and how they handle whelping and pregnancy.