Person that wrote this has obviously lives in never never land...
By coffeebreak
@coffeebreak (17798)
United States
January 31, 2008 5:58pm CST
This person has never had to look for a job, has never been unemployed and has had the same job for years and years and years and has always made a very good salary. Has to be, otherwise this person would know wont even help you get one! Been there, done that! This kind of thing just angers me so much...
http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/career-articles-bullet_proof_yourself_against_a_layoff-221
Writer states how easy it is to deal with a layoff: Because they've bullet-proofed their professional lives. You can, too, with these four elements"
obviously this person has never been layed off, never had an income problem, hasn't seen current unemployment stats, and has never had to face anything even relating to a layoff or merger!
A "small nest egg" to cover 6 months- yeah, good work if you can get it! Most of us live pay check to pay check - only small egg we get is the ones from the grocery cause they are a little cheaper than large eggs. And "don't take the first offer.." again, this person has never been unemployed or had to look for a job in recent years. And a "back up plan"..good grief, how stupid! If we had something else we could do for income, doesn't this person think we'd already be doing it just to make ends meet or at best, have a little savings? And doesn't he know that a plumbing company employer is not going to hire a account executive who was just laid off to do plumbing as 1, the experience is lacking and 2, employer knows this person will leave first account exec job he comes across!
Sorry, just had to vent. This kind of thing makes me so mad. Unemployment and low paying jobs and living paycheck to paycheck are no fun, and this kind of stuff just mocks them in the worst way.
Sorry
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8 responses
@arkaf61 (10881)
• Canada
1 Feb 08
I feel exactly like you.
I really have trouble when people tell me things like that. Do they thing that if I could do them I wouldn't? LIke the nest egg to cover 6 months! I had that. I actually had a nest egg to cover about a year. It is gone now, and I certainly can't make another one right now - I would if I didn't have to deal with the fact that all my paychecks are not enough to cover everything each month! ANd I know all about the small eggs, boy do I know! I used to like to buy the brown large eggs but since they're more expensive the small ones are the house choice right now.
DOn't take the first offer!!! Sure, if I have my 6 month nest behind me.. I'd do that. But can I really afford pass out a first offer that might be the only one for a while? Nope.
LOL the back up plan.. yeah yeah yeah... You're so right !!!
Sure all those tips are fine and sound if the situation is not already a troubled one, but useless if it is.
As my aunt used to say there are a lot of jobs out there, but only a handful of good jobs. THis is more and more true. WIth companies doing all they can to get the most from the employees while giving the least they legally - and sometimes not that legally - can. 6 month contracts so they don't have to pay any benefits, double the part timers instead of full timers, re-writing job descriptions, hiring private companies to do some of the work. In the end it's us the ones that get the big zero, and they the ones that are getting the big bonus for making cuts that make the company spend less - sometimes even cutting on safety measures.
True there is more demand than ever, so they don't need to worry about getting people to work - which usually creates better pay - being able to use instead the old line "if you don't like it, the door is there".
But back to the subject. I feel your frustration and really understand why these tips would make you feel really angry. The main line is that although the tips are sound they only work when there is no problem to start with.
@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
1 Feb 08
Exactly -if there is no problem to start with. If this is all that is needed to get a job once you are layed off, there'd be no unemployment!
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@arkaf61 (10881)
• Canada
1 Feb 08
HUbby was laid off 3 times in a row. So I know exactly what you mean. Of course each new job he got, he was the newest one there and when the company started laying off again one of the first ones being laid off. That, together with a few other unavoidables was what got us in the position we are now.
PLus not everyone is able to be a temporary plumber even if the unions will hire a complete "newbie" or an electrician or even a brick layer... you need to know at least a bit about any of those things .
Temp agencies.. sure but as you point out, pay is the minimum possible and it's rare the time the person have the opportunity to find something more permanent. I guess I was one of the lucky ones, I did get a job trough an agency once but when my contract was almost over I was told that if I applied in the company they would hire me. However this is not the normal scenario and does not happen to most people.
THings are really complicated even if one ends up looking for the lowest possible jobs. Heck even to work at Walmark is getting complicated. My daughter has been looking for a job so she can start saving for university. Mostly what she gets is that she has no experience. Of course she doesn't , but how can she get it, if everyone is looking for someone experienced and does not take the unexperienced?
It's a jungle out there :)
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@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
1 Feb 08
Yeah, that is a problem - how can you get experience if no one will hire you. Been there, done that. That is when I worked temps for about a year - dumb stupid, low paying jobs, but I did teach myself some skills and it gave me a work history. Temp agencys are good for certain reasons, but not as a back up to living expenses.
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@chrislotz (8137)
• Canada
3 Feb 08
This person has been lucky all his life. This person doesn't know what it is like to not have a good job or earn a good salary. Sure, everyone can work now adays, if you don't mind working for peanuts. A lot of jobs don't pay enough to save and some even pay not enough to live on. I know from experience, like you have I'm sure, from your discussion. It is hard to get by and I wory about getting by today not tomorrow. I hate it when people always say to me, don't use save for your retirement. how, is what I say. We barely get by payday to payday, never mind save for the future.
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@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
4 Feb 08
Boy dont' I know it! I am all for positive thinking and looking on the bright side and all, but for this to be an article in the main stream these days, it is just so misleading! Many are now unemployed and looking that have never been nemployed before, so after reading this they will think it isn't a big deal, but when the truth cumps on them, they won't know how to handle it.
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@Kowgirl (3490)
• United States
1 Feb 08
I found that article rather amusing. It looks like something I may have written years ago when everything was going great and money was no object. Saving was easy and my husband was alive and doing quiet well, money wise. I worked to get out of the house and the money was mine to spend whichever way I wanted. And I had a great time spending it! Then the shi* hit the fan....my husband lost his job which meant NO insurance. All the children had appointments to go to the dentist, one needed braces. This alone hit pretty hard. Dentist and Doctors cost a lot more than I had known. Then the firm I was working with split...which left me looking for another firm to work with. So here we were living from day to day looking for work while trying to not upset our children. I applied for a government loan to open up my own firm but got turned down, for reasons unknown. My husband found part time work and I went back to working as a paralegal. We managed to stay up with the Joneses for some time but the savings eventually ran dry. So what you said is sooo true. This sounds like it is written by a younger person who has yet to face the facts. Makes you want to take them by the shoulders and shake some sense into them while saying "It can happen to you ,too!" Today unemployment is at it's highest, people have resorted to stealing food and money. Too many people and not enough work and it gets worse every day. Sorry to say but I hope they are as prepared as they write about, or else they are in for a big surprise when it does happen to them. Like the saying goes in all big companies
"NO ONE is Indispensable"
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@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
1 Feb 08
Throw in down sizing and multi-tasking so the employer gets 3 jobs done for the salary of one and unemployment becomes our closet neighbor! But let's all follow these four steps....
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
3 Feb 08
I have been trying to save the six months backout with no success. I never had good paying jobs and this is when secretarial and steno jobs were common. When I was looking for work, te first job offered I took even though it demoted me from a secretary to a steno and then to a file clerk because I need the money. That six month nest egg I never got. If I saved anything it went for rent and when I got married, it went to the downpayment of the house. We went to second hand stores, ate food that was bad for us because it was cheaper, sometimes lived on macaroni and cheese, walked rather that rode, went without necessities like new clothes.
We are now better off, but going without and budgeting are so ingrained that I dare not spend anything for fear some disaster will happen.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
6 Feb 08
My husband needed a new bed because he has a bad back, but when we went to Home Outfitters to get the bedding, I had to use my credit card and that meant using part of my savings money, I thought I was going to get the bill to pay it off in the middle of February so I took enough out of my high interest savings to pay it off, but it was for the next billing period. So we just paid part of it off, and the next month we pay off the rest, no interest charges. The trouble is that with taking that money out and putting most of it back in my high interest savings, the interest savings has gone down. I mean 1/8th or 1/4 percent does make a difference to me.
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@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
4 Feb 08
posted before I finished...now, he has a great job - albiet in Las Vegas and I am in CA, and a good salary and I can actually buy something I don't have to look at the price tag first! I can (within limits as nothing stays forever and it is feast or famine in construction) but, I still hit the clearance racks after christmas! I can't make myself just go "buy something". Gotta save it!
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@sunshinelady (7609)
• United States
4 Feb 08
That person doesn't have any idea of the real world. He must be living out on a island. The average family can not afford to put a small nest egg away. If people could they would. This is the real world. There are all kinds of people in the world and he is one in my book that is not very realistic.
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@sunshinelady (7609)
• United States
4 Feb 08
I agree a total waste of paper. I wonder how many reactions were got from that. I bet a lot of people were ready to shot him. It is not easy to make ends meet and than to have some turkey say something like this.
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@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
4 Feb 08
Not a clue, does he? I dont' see how the article could even have gotten published! With all the unemployment and related issues going around - did they really think that many people would belive it? What a waste of paper.
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@drannhh (15219)
• United States
1 Feb 08
Wow, you are stressed. I didn't read the article that way at all. It may be a little glib, but I thought the point of the article was not that dealing with layoff is at all easy, but rather that the moment one is hired is the moment one should take whatever steps might be reasonable to prepare in advance. Looking closely at the article again, I see that the author spoke of the possibility of a "temporary" position as a plumber, and temp agencies expect the person to leave. Sorry things are going badly for you. I guess it is better to vent here among friends than at a job interview though.
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@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
1 Feb 08
No need to apologize really. I hate such people too, writing comments from cozy corners in their homes and their attitude of knowing everything that happens round the world. They have their ‘valued views’ on everything and the way they will advise you as if you are a spring chicken who cant move about with some expert advise. It does look rosy and easy if you don’t have to actually slog it out and only people like you and me know how difficult it is to land up and keep a job these days.
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@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
1 Feb 08
Yep, it sure is an easy thing to do if you don't have to do it yourself. Sure isn't to much of a struggle if you are not doing the struggling. And if you have never had to do it, what the heck do you know about it and why do you feel qualified to tell others how to handle it. Mskes me really mad. So many people out there trying and working so hard through unemployment and this article acts likes it is just hte easiest thing in the world. And how stupid of him to say "have a nest egg for if you are layed off". GOod grief! No one expects to be layed off! No one knows if or when they will be layed off, no one plans on being layed off! So your boss comes to you and hands you a pink slip and says "you're layed off".... do you say "Oh wait! I didn't know this was going to happen so you have to let me work long enough to collect 6 months nest egg money!" With all the other things we have to deal with for saving and stretching our dollars, very seldom I think is "a nest egg for when I am layed off" a category in our budget.
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@chrislotz (8137)
• Canada
26 Feb 08
Yeah I totally agree with you, this guy doesn't live in the real world. Most people are like you and live paycheck to paycheck. I know we sometimes don't even make it to the next payday. A back up plan, well my back up plan is my mom. I sometimes have to borrow money from her till payday, but then I get into a rut and it's hard to get out of it, because I need to pay her back when we get paid and then it can become a visious circle. Some people have never experienced money problems so they just don't understand. It's not that he is being maliscious, it's just he is ignorant to money problems. My youngest sister is the same way as this guy. She owns her own hairdressing shop and didn't have her kids till her late 30's so she never had the expenses so she was able to put a lot of money away so she just doesn't know what it is like to have none. Sometimes she really bugs me, when she is bragging, and not knowing she is bragging, she just doesn't have a clue what most people go through without money. So I don't get too mad at people like this guy because he just doesn't have a clue.
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@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
26 Feb 08
Yeah I know. Some just dont' get it. Other thing is that they write this kind of stuff and there are those that believe it and then they get their hopes up and don't take it as seriously as it should be taken and when the bottom falls out, they are going "but that guy said...!" I am all for positive thinking and hopes and all, but you also have to include common sense and rational in there too!
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