Was I correct in refusing the gift?
@sudiptacallingu (10879)
India
February 1, 2008 1:12am CST
Well this post is going to offend a lot of Indians and give a twisted pleasure to a lot of Americans. But even then, I just need to talk to you guys and know your views.
An elderly colleague at office has a very accomplished and established son residing in Washington. His son is some research scholar over there and ever since I have been in this office all I have been hearing from this elderly gentleman is how everything is perfect in America, how we Indians are lagging behind in everything and how every parents’ ideal dream should be to send their child/children to the States (obliquely hinting at my child).
Very recently his son got married to a local American lady who is also in the research field. As per our Indian customs, we all had expected the newly married couple to come to India for the customary visit but no, India is not good enough for his son and his American daughter-in-law (according to him). So this gentleman and his wife instead went to USA in November and have just returned today. He is now giving away ‘gifts’ to all consisting of a tiny bar of Twix (which has written on it THIS UNIT NOT LABELED FOR RETAIL SALE), a bar of some soap and a piece of garment for the children of the staff. He is just taking them from a huge bag and none of the gifts are packed. While its OK with the chocolate and the soap, the clothes (to me) looked like they have been bought at some super discount sale in some flea market. Not only do they not look new, they look rather worn, the same type we get at any flea market here in Calcutta. I am not letting my son wear any worn clothes, not even in they are gifts or have come all the way from THE USA!
I refused, giving some lame excuse about it being too small. I did not take the soap too.
No one asked him to bring the clothes, a tiny bar of chocolate would have been good enough. But this very attitude that he is gifting ‘foreign’ clothes to our children, as if we can never afford such clothes, has offended me very much. I feel I was correct in doing so. What are your views?
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@wisedragon (2325)
• Philippines
1 Feb 08
I would have accepted the used clothes and used them as rags around the house.
Everything is perfect in America? Even Americans won't agree.
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@marlyse (1056)
• Switzerland
1 Feb 08
i understand what you mean. why does this gentleman live in India when all is better for him in America? what i know from India is, that the workers, no matter in which occupation, are very welcome in our country. i think every country has positive and negative things. i am not against america nor i am against India. every country in this world is a part of our mother earth and they should be able to work together and not apart.
i am not sure if i could refuse a gift like you did. i would have asked some questions before, to find out why he did it. but in the end i would have told him the same but in other words i think.
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@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
4 Feb 08
thnx so much for your kind words. its an open secret that people from third world nations are forever trying to improve their life by trying to settle in first world countries and india is no exception. that's OK but the way this gentleman boasts about his son's achievments and belittles his own country, really gets to our nerves. its only his age that prevents us from ticking him off directly. sometimes he is so funny...like he was bragging 'you know while we were there, the temp outside was -5 but our son kept the temp at 20 inside the car! so comfortable. in india, we dont have such temp-controlled cars!' Man!!! I felt like saying that's coz India is a tropical country and in the few weeks of winter, we dont really need such a car. How stupid of him! his son's success has gone into his head, actually!
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@marlyse (1056)
• Switzerland
5 Feb 08
seems so. its sad that this gentleman doesnt see the beauty of this country. the colours, the different religions and so on. most of us dont see whats right here, they always look to far away, so they dont see whats right under their feet. but its an old saying here, everyone of his own but please leave me alone lol
@SViswan (12051)
• India
1 Feb 08
I think you are right. I don't mind a gift from a friend returning froma visit to the US...and since I have lived outside India most of our lives, we always got gifts for the family and friends when we visited India. But those were all well thought out gifts for each person.
This sounds like the person was just trying to buy you with the 'imported' stuff. We get equally good stuff in India now.
I agree with you that a chocolate bar would suffice for the colleagues. Clothes and especially ones that the man didn't even bother to pack show that he didn't bring the 'gifts' because he wanted to show that he cared about his colleagues but it was brought just to make you feel that he was superior (in some wierd way...lol).
I don't understand why some people think that US is more superior and things there are of much better quality (some things are, I agree...but we live here in India and can live with what we have).
I'm not trying to put the Americans down...but just trying to point out that they are people like us with the same morals and principles and there's nothing great about it....I mean nothing to brag about. We aren't second class citizens compared to Americans....we have our culture and they theirs. They are proud of theirs and we should be proud of ours.
And please don't go by the gentleman's words...all is not perfect in the US (I'm sure you know that by now)....just as we have our issues here....they have theirs and other mylotters from the US will confirm that. Their issues might be different from ours...but still they have problems too. Most of the discussions on myLot itself will prove that.
I'm not saying that all Indians have to live in India and work here to prove that they are proud of their culture (I know we didn't...we went where we could earn more money....but that didn't make us forget our land....infact, I've lived outside since I was born....but that doesn't make me any less Indian and though we did get a better life than what we would have got here.....that doesn't make our culture less important to me...and I'm basically Indian....though my choices are based on my personal viewpoint).
I'm so mad at this gentleman (who I don't even know) that I think I'm not being clear. I hope you got the gist of what I was trying to say.
And I'm glad you didn't accept the "gift".
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
1 Feb 08
Oh! I know the type! REally gets me mad! They even forget their mother tongue and the English they spoke when they were here. I know people who go to the US for 2 months and come back with an accent AND an attitude! I could go on and on...but won't coz it will offend someone and I don't want to or mean to do that.
and you are so right about the exchange value....and haven't you read discussions about people buying something and not getting value for the money they spent?
lol...I would have suggested getting the man to read this..but like you said...we'd lose all the fun!
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@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
1 Feb 08
Oh Viswa, I understand perfectly what you are trying to say. This gentleman is infuriating most of the times and its only his age that keeps us from ticking him off directly. Mylot has been an eye-opener for me too and I wish I could make him a part of our group (but that would spoil the fun I think). He is that typical Indian whose only aim is to send their child to USA and then boast of their ‘achievements’ to all who care to listen.
Regarding foreign goods, you know many times in mylot people have written about buying something and how much that has cost and I do instant conversion from dollar to rupee and I see that the same thing costs the same (almost) everywhere. Its only that for them one dollar has quite some value while for us, one rupee has no value at all.
Anyway, some people will never change.
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@secretbear (19448)
• Philippines
1 Feb 08
hi sudipta! ^__^
i don't think you're wrong in refusing those gifts. if they were really gifts. i mean, it could just be their way to boast to other people that they have gone to the states and was able to buy American products. i don't really like people with crab mentality. i mean, i love some foreign products and i dream of going to other countries, but that don't make me insult my origin and look down on our native culture and fellowmen. that's just really mean.
and besides, you said you can afford to buy those second-hand clothes and those clothes seemed like too worn out to be worn again. i think there was really nothing wrong when you refused them.
@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
4 Feb 08
Hi bear! I never buy second-hand clothes for my son. What i buy for him may not be the best and most expensive, but they certainly are what i feel to be OK, value-for-money products.
Yes, wonderful wouldn't it be if I could roam the world and buy small souvenirs from each country as a reminder of the various cultures....daydreaming on Monday morning (wont get me anywhere actually) lol!
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@secretbear (19448)
• Philippines
4 Feb 08
hi sudipta! ^__^
in my case, i buy second hand clothes but only those that still looks new and have been used only once or twice. there are many clothes shop here that sells second hand clothes and a lot of them are actually selling branded clothes used only a few times and they still are expensive. .
@aissha (2036)
• India
1 Feb 08
i'm not offended ,and i'm an indian. he is ahving a mindset like that that make him less informed or misinformed ,he must hv poor life with less moral values ,otherwise it is very natural to be proud of where u belong to ,he should be forgiven and forgotten . not taking gift is ur decision ,if u r expected to respect him then u should hv taken it and then give ot to someone needy ,thst what i'd hv done.
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@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
1 Feb 08
Hi aissha,
Yes, he has very twisted views about his motherland and we Indians in general and just because his son has made it big in the USA, he finds no end of himself. But I couldn’t have given away a gift to somebody needy…I think that is insulting the person more.
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@bbsr13 (4196)
• India
1 Feb 08
Hello,Sudipta! First of all I must appreciate your view point and feelings.you have done the right thing,that i too would have done.I think your colleague is lacking the patriotic feelings,else he would not have gone for praising America.what is in America?we are no less than them. his son is a dog who runs after somebody who threw a piece of bread before him.you will see his son will be nowhere after a few years.it is the American culture.so there is nothing to feel himself great and distribute gifts, of what kind does not matter.is he also a dog running after the American masters?thank you.
@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
4 Feb 08
thnx for the response but i think you have used too harsh words. we respect his son for his academic achievements. his son is indeed a brilliant scholar settled in the States for the past decade or more. but what we dont like is the way this gentleman brags about it and belittles our own country. he is forever saying that merit has no place in india and the west is the place to be if you want to be acknowledged.
yes, we kind of feel sorry for the son now coz we all know how fragile marriage is over there. lots of indian girls are there in the USA in academics, he could have married someone from India.
thnx for appreciating the fact that i refused the gift. no way I could have accepted anything for my son which does not look alright to me. I may never go abroad, but my son wears the best of what i can buy for him.
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@tutul0045 (2630)
• India
2 Feb 08
Hi,
I know what u r talking about. I belong to a bengali family and i know the mentality of people in calcutta. I have atleast half a dozen of cousins in America and recently one got married with a british girl in texas.
At times i feel fortunate that iam brought up in mumbai. Here people are more business minded and people are so busy in their life that they dont peek in others life. People often say that " Mumbai is a very lonely city"
Well take my word India is progressing at a great speed .. atleast mumbai.. and if it continues in this speed we will be considered as a super power too.
And those people who considers the westurn world as the best will soon be returning to india.
Remember our country is the best and be proud of being an Indian.
Cheers,
Tutul
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@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
4 Feb 08
Hi Tutul,
‘we will be considered as a super power too’ I sure hope this comes true soon. Being here in mylot for more than a year and interacting with people from the other side of the globe has taught me that the grass in NOT green on the other side. It can be very green on our side itself if only we have as much of ‘dignity of labour’ as they have and if we can develop our infrastructure at a very very fast pace. It is sad but true that India lacks in first-class infrastructure and developing Mumbai, Delhi, Gurgaon, Hyderabad and a few other cities will not really help us in the permanent run. We also do not have adequate respect for all types of jobs and hence employment opportunities are still bottle-necked in India.
Anyways, thnx for responding and yes I do hear of many people who have come back from first world countries, giving up lucrative careers and have settled down in India to similarly hefty pay-packets and are absolutely comfortable with it.
PS: me a bengali too.
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@tutul0045 (2630)
• India
4 Feb 08
LoL i know u r bengali. I remember ur post about Durga puja in Calcutta on one of the discussion. It was just awesome.
U know the problem in Bengali families is that they want their kids to grow as a scholar and then work and settle abroad.
If educated people avoid politics then be prepared to be ruled by the uneducated ones. Moving abroad and working there wont do any good to the Indian economy.
To improve we need to sacrifice some of the pleasures and start building a good future.
As the saying goes " Everyone can find fault, few can do better".
Cheers,
Tutul
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@egfitz62150 (645)
• United States
2 Feb 08
Oh, GREAT! As if Americans don't shoot themselves in the foot often enough, now I see we have help from idiots like your boss! LOL!!! You were right to refuse the gifts in the very tactful way you used. You were following your heart and instincts, and he was being incredibly tacky! I would have accepted them all, but then would have donated them to a charity -- well, I'd have eaten the chocolate!! LOL!! Even in America we have people who need clothes and soap and can't afford them. Too bad your boss has blinded himself to the problems that do exist here in the USA, just as in any country. And by the way, our schools are not all that great, especially up to the college level. At the college level, if you have LOTS and LOTS of money, you can do OK, but really the overall quality of an education has more to do with the attitude of the student, not the location of the school.
Anyway, try not to be too offended by your boss. He's obviously got some real issues and should be pitied for the insecure moron that he is.
@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
4 Feb 08
Egfitz thnx for your thoughtful response. I had the Twix too, couldn’t refuse that lol! And yes, I know that people all over the world have similar problems and utopia cant be found anywhere really. You are correct in assessing the old man…he does have a colonial hangover. At age 70+, he was a young boy when the British rule ended in India and he still fantasizes about those ‘golden days’. Someone here wrote that if America is so golden, why doesn’t he go there…the answer is that his son (& now maybe the daughter-in-law) doesn’t want him to shift permanently to the US and be a burden on them. This is divine justice…this is the way people who insult their own motherland are treated by their own children.
‘A load of bologna’ eh…well I learn a new expression today and thnx to you for it.
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@egfitz62150 (645)
• United States
2 Feb 08
It just occurred to me that if he's elderly he's still operating under the "colonial" mindset put in place by the British. All of us "colonies" have had this problem to some extent -- "everyone else is better than we are." What a load of bologna!!!!! (Bologna is a VERY low grade meat product which has tons of lard and weird body parts no one would touch otherwise. LOL!)
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
2 Feb 08
I think, sudipta, that you had the right to refuse these gifts as you saw fit. It seems to me that you might be making more of the situation than it really means. If this man is as successful as you say, then he should be ashamed to have offered any items that had been previously used as "gifts." I would not worry overmuch about this matter. You did what your heart led you to do.
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@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
4 Feb 08
thnx for responding and understanding.
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
1 Feb 08
As a Canadian, I feel that your colleague is very proud of his accomplished son, and is perhaps overdoing it somewhat. However he seems to be sincere in his attiude and is doing what he deems right by his fellow employees. A man who gives gifts cannot be all bad! Why not accept the Gifts Graciously, and Later, dispose of those that are unacceptable to you. I think you are reading much more into this, than is actually there! I can understand how this gentleman could be very hard to take, but nevertherless he is doing nothing wrong, and someday in the Future may prove to be a Valuable Friend.
@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
4 Feb 08
In response to both Barehugs & Dangaroo, I can say this much that you have not really understood my point here. As I have said, a small bar of chocolate would have sufficed as a gift, its after all the thought that counts. No one expected him to get clothes for the children. But he did and the way he was handing them out to us, was what irked me. As if he was trying to say ‘look here, none of you here will ever be able to afford US-made clothes (the world’s richest country after all) so I have done a favour by getting these for you. These are far better than what most of you buy locally’. As if we were the poor family, lined up in some charity, awaiting doles from some rich grandparent! No person can be a friend of mine, who belittles his own country.
I did accept the Twix though, refusing it would have been too much really.
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@dangaroo (234)
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2 Feb 08
I was thinking along the same lines. Even if the gift did not have a lot of feeling put into it.. you could have at least sold them or something ;). I personally.. would probably never ever turn down a twix, no matter who it comes from.. so now all mylotters know how to poison me!
@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
4 Feb 08
Thnx Pose. Yes the ideal situation would be definitely to stay in your own homeland and thankfully, at the pace India is progressing, it may soon be more beneficial for our children to stay back and develop than to migrate and go thru the pangs of settlement in a foreign land.
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@laurika (4532)
• United States
2 Feb 08
I admire you taht you can be so opne with people. i think you make the right think and don't feel bad for feeling offended, i think many of us would fee l the smae in your position.Yeah you are right many people just think how usa is great and there is nothing better like being here, but only people with no education could think this.
@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
4 Feb 08
Either people with no education or people who are great opportunists, who would not mind insulting their own country in order to find favour with foreign nations.
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@season0907 (671)
• India
1 Feb 08
Hi sudiptacallingu,
You did the right thing by rejecting it. There is no need to be fooled by anybody, purticularly when you din't ask for anything. I would have been in more appriciation if you would have told him on the face.
Good Luck.
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@david2005 (798)
• Canada
2 Feb 08
I think that you did the right thing in refusing the gift cause you don't really know where the clothes came from and if they were used your kid might have got sick from them or something.
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@balasri (26537)
• India
11 Aug 09
I am that I am respondiing so late.I just happen to stumble upon this wonderful discussion just now.
You are very right in refusing the gifts.It rather looked like a charicty from a UN force to poverty stricken lot.We all have our pride inspite of how much of money we do pocess.No one can ever buy that with anything and of all the things a pices of soap and a rag.
@sunshinelady (7609)
• United States
2 Feb 08
I think you handled that very tactfully. There are others that would have told him to buzz off and not in a very nice way. You considered his feelings even though he insulted you. I don't blame you for not accepting his gift. I would not have either.
@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
4 Feb 08
Thnx for understanding. Self-respect to me is of paramount importance and gifts come after that.
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@JJ4Ever (4693)
• United States
6 Feb 08
Hi there! I'm an American and this discussion gives me neither offense nor "twisted pleasure." I feel for you. I don't think it's right what your coworker told you. I've lived in America all my life and I'd love to visit or even live in a different country. I think it's just a matter of where you're from. Certain people aren't content with where they live and think that they need to go and live somewhere. I think discontentment and bragging was all he was doing. I commend you and admire you for refusing the gifts from him. Had you accepted them, your child would've had more clothes, but that's not what it's about. You can provide for your own child, which you proved by not taking the gifts. You also don't know where all that stuff has been or where your coworker got it from. You were very wise in thinking about it and turning them down. I don't think he was giving those things to you for the right reason. You have a right to refuse a gift also. It's a gift - you have the choice to take it or leave it. If you had taken it, I believe you would've been supporting what that man said, in a way. You also would've been supporting getting things from the US, which you were opposed to doing because you're content with living in India and buying from India. Good for you!
@ronnyb (6113)
• Jamaica
18 Feb 10
I totally understad and share your views to a certain extent .Out here on the island we have the same mentality too that everything that comes from USA is great and better than what we have here on the island.
Like you I wouldnt have taken the clothes either because I dont usually like to take such gifts from anyone and worse if they look like they were new or intended for me .My only problem with your move might have been the premise.The father is obviously arrogant and thinks highly of himself his son and their american life however I am not sure that the son is like him .The fact that he didnt come to India may not necessarily be that he doesnt think India is good enough but if you know for a fact that was the reason then you are definitely justified in doing so .
@MysticTomatoes (1053)
• United States
3 Aug 09
I would have taken it then donated it to a charity. Many times, there are charities that take items like that and combine them to make bigger welcome baskets or gift baskets. Every time my DH and I stay at a hotel, we always raid the shampoo and conditioner bottles from the room. Our church has a mission group that takes those bottles and bundles them and sends them to either troops overseas or sends them to the battered womens shelters around the area. It's a nice way to give back.