Honestly, do you like Obama?
By petebaja
@petebaja (516)
Mexico
February 11, 2008 5:25pm CST
It seems like the nation is getting swept up in Obama Fever. I wonder if this affection for him is genuine or an attempt to be politically correct.
The more I hear him speak, I find something else to like about him.
What do you think.....HONESTLY?
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26 responses
@bond0077 (375)
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13 Feb 08
America wants to make history so bad by having a first black president,they aren't even thinking if he is right for the job!i personally don't like Barack Obama he is too smooth!says all the right things,on one hand he is stealing speeches almost word for word from martin luther king aswell as J.F.K.Trying too hard to be them when in fact what has he done to put himself in their category?he is just another senator that's it!all he can say is what he assumes it would be like as president!
@mehale (2200)
• United States
21 Feb 08
Actually - as someone that does support Obama - my decision has absolutely nothing to do with race. I truely believe that his stance and solutions to the problems facing our nation today is the best one. I have listened to him speak, and read most of his plans and his stance on the issues that are important to me and I agree with him for the most part. I think his solution to the illegal immigration problem could be stronger - but then I am not sure there really is a good solution to that problme, it has gone on far too long already. Why do you dislike him so much?
@ddzdvd (361)
• United States
20 Feb 08
your right and he is a 1st term senator too, that has really done NOTHING.his term as senator is not even finished and hes out campaigning for president-hmmmm,i guess he is not really needed as a senator,check his voting record out, it is just plain scary.people are all fired up over him,but it is not because of his record nor his message "hope-change" hope for what??change to what?? a saying comes to mind " a fool and thier country will soon part""beware of obama's in sheeps clothing"
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@ddzdvd (361)
• United States
12 Feb 08
i think he speaks well and is likable,but he says absolutely nothing.he seems more like a cheerleader at a pep rally than a president.to me he comes across as a politically correct preacher(a wolf in sheeps clothing comes to mind)
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
14 Feb 08
A point of correction, or rather a change of mind -- on 60 Minutes" this past week, Obama responded to the question about extracting troops from Iraq by a set time-table by saying that he would assert Executive Authority to change any or all of his plan to extract the troops by his 12/2009 deadline.
Is this a 'flip-flop'? Or, is this just more political double-speak to win the election.
The "60 Minutes" quote supercedes the previous position stance, as it is his most recent on the troops in Iraq issue.
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@ddzdvd (361)
• United States
18 Feb 08
well obama and hillary are by far the most socialistic candidates.if you think socialism is the way to go then by all means vote for any of the 2 mentioned candidates.to heck with america and our bill of rights and damn the constitution.vote hillary or obama to speed up the slow destruction of the USA. obama speaks of "hope" obama beleives in abortion,i guess he doesnt mean "hope" for babies.and its true none of the candidates for either party are worth voting for-its a shame.this feels more like amercan idol than an election
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@petebaja (516)
• Mexico
18 Feb 08
Well, there's always one issue where you may find yourself in disagreement with a candidate. But I wouldn't vote for or against any candidate because of one issue. The so-called litmus test is overrated. I like to look at a candidate's overall outlook. What does he think of the big picture and how is he going to accomplish it?
I'm not going to dissect every single piece of legislation he's written, every position or for that matter expect him to micro-manage every detail of the over $13,000,000,000,000 bureaucracy that he will be in charge of.
Just like in any relationship (romantic or business), you take the good, the bad and the ugly. If he's got his eye on the big picture that's congruent to my point of view, I'll take the other disagreements we may have.
As far as the abortion issue, I don't know what to say to you. When I was a kid in the 70's, I asked my father what his opinion was of abortion. He looked at me and answered swiftly, "it's murder".
That's always been in my mind since then. But I don't know if this one issue (I can tell it's a big one in your agenda) will disqualify Obama in my mind as a qualified candidate.
Those are just my humble thoughts.
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@Tko2020 (266)
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14 Feb 08
I hope Obama becomes President, as it might make our country who seem to be the 51st state of the USA, actually give there own non white natives a real say, and a chance in the Government of their native land.
As i am still convinced that the UK is far more racist than the USA, but it is well hidden by a bunch of "Silver Tongued Liars" unlike in the USA where the racism is practiced more openly.
Another thing i notice is when Hillary wins a state the BBC News has her on continually, but when Obama wins a state or more he is not shown half as much, but no surprises there with the Good ole beeb
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
16 Feb 08
Hello Petebaja,
I'm in full agreement with you on this!
Racism in the U.S.A. is a mere shadow of what it used to be. Today, we see a great many successful minorities in government, professional sports, medicine, the arts, law, etc...
While racism has not completely disappeared, we see the most egregious examples of it as perpetuated by self-professed minority groups & leaders like Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakahn (sp?) Al Sharpton, Le Leche, The Brown Berets, etc... Of course, we cannot discount the fact that these groups and individuals earn their living from the concerted perpetuation of racism.
All in all, I'm very proud of my fellow Americans for learning to view our great country through colored-blind lenses. With always more work to be done in this area, I believe that it is most helpful to focus on the leaps and bounds we have made in this regard, since the 1970s. Oh, and let's not forget to thank Archie Bunker for demonstrating just how ignorant racism really is!
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@petebaja (516)
• Mexico
14 Feb 08
I beg to differ! The United States does not practice racism openly. It's a melting pot with not only blacks, but also Mexicans, Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Filipinos, Irish, Vietnamese, Italians, etc.
Where do you get the idea that racism is a common thing in America? That's the yellow journalists at work.
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@petebaja (516)
• Mexico
21 Feb 08
I liked a lot of candidates in both parties. On the republican side, I like Thompson, Duncan Hunter and Huckabee. Unfortunately, Sen. Thompson and Rep. Hunter bowed out early and Gov. Huckabee looks like he might be settling for a VP spot under McCain. By the way I also like Ron Paul but he's way behind in the delegate count.
On the democrat side, I liked Gov. Richardson, Rep. Kucinich, Sen. Biden and Sen. Dodd. Unfortunately, they're all out of the race.
It would be nice if they all ran and let the country decide who's best, instead of these party contests that's designed to eliminate good candidates.
We're stuck to picking between two candidates and sometimes it's like picking who's going to do the least damage in Washington.
@lightningd (1039)
• United States
12 Feb 08
At first I wasn't sure who I would vote for. I was looking at Ron Paul. I am a registered Independent, so I kind of go with my gut in elections, as to who I think is going to be the best for our country. Who is going to do the job and do it right.
I watched the debate between Obama and Clinton a few weeks back, and honnestly, I see Clinton saying, "healthcare, healthcare, healthcare, but she's not saying how people like my mom who only gets 480$ a month social security disability is going to be able to afford her healthcare plan. Obama has a healthcare plan, but he will also subsidize it for those on low incomes. That is a good thing. I also like Obama's stance on Veteran's issues. I am a disabled vet. I think Obama will try to improve things for veterans.
Hilary has been in Washington too long, and we have no way of knowing who's pockets she is in. I just don't trust her.
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@petebaja (516)
• Mexico
21 Feb 08
I agree with you. Hillary has been in Washington too long. Let's end the empire of the Bush's and the Clintons!
Ron Paul is honest and has good ideas. Unfortunately, because he speaks from the heart and tells the truth - that makes him a "bad politician" and is not electable.
The country deserves better, don't you think?
@FrancyDafne (2047)
• Italy
18 Feb 08
I'm Italian, and so I don't know much about the future U.S. president. Till now I liked the idea that the next U.S. President will be a woman, so, even if I don't love Hillary, I hoped that she could become the new president, but after hearing Obama speaking I'm changing idea, I like the fact that Obama promised to go away from Iraq if he will become president, for instance, so I'm confused now....
@FrancyDafne (2047)
• Italy
20 Feb 08
To Petebaja:
Yes, I agree with you, Obama will pull out of the war. And I agree with you also when you say that "We have our own problems to solve without getting involved with other country's problems". Thank you. I think we need a man like Obama.
To ddzdvd:
I hope that you are not right. I really hope Obama will not betray his electors (voters).
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@petebaja (516)
• Mexico
19 Feb 08
I can guarantee you that when and if Obama becomes President, he will pull out of the war. Aside from that issue, Obama has proven that he can gather support of a majority and unite the country again. He will also stay away from other countries' business and focus on making America great again from within. We have our own problems to solve without getting involved with other country's problems.
While Clinton may pull the troops out of the war, she is so polarizing and so hated by half of the U.S., that I don't see how she can be an effective leader.
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@mnksmommy (301)
• United States
23 Feb 08
I do not care for the man either. Bush and Obama are in the same boat in my opinion--they scare the crap out of me. The way his speeches are so plagarized I do not even listen when he speaks anymore.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
26 Feb 08
Uh Pete,
You stand corrected. One of the most frequently commented on historical facts about Ronald Reagan is that he wrote all of his own speeches! If you were that much a part of the 'Reagan Revolution' then you would know this. Reading Reagan's many speeches is a typical goal for many, many visitors to the Reagan Library.
In fact, writing one's own speeches was not only customary, but was expected until the FDR administrations. FDR is the first U.S. president to rely on professional speechwriters. And, he was mocked mercilessly overseas for it. The Europeans in particular, hammered FDR for this early in his administration. They deemed him illiterate, that he could not formulate his own thoughts & speeches.
Personally, I think that every Presidential candidate should be obligated to formulate their own ideas and responses. The question comes back to: Who are we electing, the candidate or the
speechwriter?
If Cyrano de Bergerac is the tender heart who wrote the love letters to Roxanne, then it is Cyrano de Bergerac, and not Christian who was actually wooing the lady.
How can we not ask, is Barack Obama wooing his supporters, or are his speech writers? Who are you actually supporting -- the guy who reads the words, or the guy who formulates them?
I may not like Hillary Clinton, but in this regard she has a very valid point! By focusing on the 'plagiarism' argument, she is simply missing the point by not asking the right question!
@petebaja (516)
• Mexico
23 Feb 08
Tell me what politician you know who wasn't staged. I can name a few like Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Joe Biden, Duncan Hunter, etc. Those are guys who speak the truth and from the heart, but they'll never get elected to the White House.
All Presidents, present and former, are staged and read a script that someone else wrote! You can't win otherwise.
@petebaja (516)
• Mexico
28 Feb 08
Oh ladyluna, I beg your pardon...you stand corrected. Have you heard of a lady by the name of Peggy Noonan? I admired her. I loved her words. So did Ronald Reagan. She was the Presidential speechwriter for him.
Read her book! She shaped a lot of Reagan's speeches and images.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
20 Feb 08
Honestly, yes I do like him very much. I'm not a racist in any way but I think Obama has done something nobody has every been able to do before and that is gain the support of many of those who may have been reluctant to support someone other than a white male in the past. As some other posters have said here, sure some of his stump speeches may be a bit "vague" but what politician's aren't? When someone is campaigning there obviously isn't enough time to put every detail on every issue in a 20 minute speech. What Obama "promises" that I think is so appealing is true change in how we can accomplish things together as a nation. As he continues to pull ahead in primary victories and total delegates I think it's clear this affection for him is genuine.
Annie
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@petebaja (516)
• Mexico
22 Feb 08
Annie, the affection for Obama seems to be genuine is an understatement. Now he's won 11 primaries in a row. Hillary's campaign started with their negative attacks on him. You know that only means that the Clintons are feeling a vice grip tightening on their political aspirations.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
15 Feb 08
HONESTLY? Yes, I do like him and, like you, I find myself liking him more all the time and I'm not one of those young, first-time voters, I'm 55 years old and have voted in every election since 1972 when they lowered the voting age to 20. I like where he stands on the issues that are most important to me and I like the fact that he seems to have the ability to unite us as a nation again. Sure, there will always be the far-right Republicans who will insist he's too liberal (OK, some will even call him a Socialist...lol) and there's the unfortunate racist element that still exists here but by and large I think with Obama we can finally bring an end to the polarization this country has been under for far too many years with both Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. I've always liked Hillary, unlike many people in general and myLotters in particular, but I'm fully aware that she is a polarizing figure and if she were to win the nomination and/or the election too much time would continue to be spent on HER rather than the business of the nation.
Annie
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@mehale (2200)
• United States
21 Feb 08
I also agree with both of you. Hillary does make some good points, but she is very agressive, determined, and greedy to get HER way - I really doubt that she will do what is best for the country - rather if elected she will do what is best for Hillary. I had not thought about another 4 year soap opera in the White House if they get elected - but you are so right! I definitely think that Obama is the best choice for our country at this time.
@petebaja (516)
• Mexico
15 Feb 08
That is so true. Hillary and Bill in the White House will just stir the pot and create waves. The republican legislators and the right wing PACs will spend so much time in "gotcha" politics that nothing will ever be accomplished.
What's even worse, if Bill hasn't reformed his womanizing ways, we're gonna spend the next 4 years watching a soap opera in the White House!
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@phillygirl606 (1112)
• United States
20 Feb 08
I am far from being a fan of Obama. I do not like him at all. He just seems so arrogant to me. Yes he is very well educated. I am also not a fan of Hillary though either. I think a lot of people got too caught up on the first's for a president. either it being the first black president or the first woman president. I was a fan of Edwards. He was always on the level. If something could be done he would say so but he also was not scared to say when something is not practical and could not be done. The media is hyping Obama and Hillary up so much one must wonder as to how much impact they are having on people when they go to vote.
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@phillygirl606 (1112)
• United States
21 Feb 08
wow thanks for the compliment, now u got me blushing, lol we were suppose to be talking politics not trying to pick up people, lol thanks so now i feel special, lol
@ddzdvd (361)
• United States
12 Feb 08
what veiws?? can you be more specific? i cant seem to find where he has a real view on anything.he votes yes or no on the easy stuff but votes "present" on the controversial things.every place he goes to speak is scripted and rehearsed,how is that genuine?what you mean i think is he is able to come accross as genuine even tho he is ACTING
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@ubuntujason (196)
• United States
18 Feb 08
hey~
Obama fever, what a way to put it :p me...honestly, i like the man. i like him so much that for the first time ever in my life i have been politically active...for his campaign! i find him honest, down to earth, transparent and not like the typical candidate who would run for office....he's fresh, he's well spoken, an i find him genuine!
~j
@mehale (2200)
• United States
21 Feb 08
Yes! I agree with you totally. He has already begun to unite our country again - which it desperately needed! Also this election has gotten more people involved in the political process and our government than any in a very long time - another major plus! And I have to admit that - in my opinion at least - he will lead our country in the direction that it needs to go!
@petebaja (516)
• Mexico
21 Feb 08
Congratulations ubuntujason....a Delegate....wow....they actually exist. I thought these were just some political cronnies the repubs and dems had in a back office in Washington.
Good to see that citizens are actually involved in these delegate business. Good to meet a delegate for the first time.
Good luck on your work ahead. I know you'll make the correct decision!
@petebaja (516)
• Mexico
18 Feb 08
And he's got the populace rallying and interested in America again. I hope he surrounds himself with talented and able lieutenants. If elected, he will have a rough road ahead of him. These are tough days ahead economically, diplomatically and militarily.
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@dajuannonly (21)
• United States
12 Feb 08
I honestly do like him and I also like Hilary. I wouldn't mind seeing either one as democrayic nominee. He's young, knows how to talk and he wants to be part of history. Now the question is are we ready for a blck president and my answer is definitely yes. Just as much as a women president. But yes I do like him but I think its going to be Hilary. See you 2016 You'll be our next next president.
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@petebaja (516)
• Mexico
12 Feb 08
We might not have to wait until 2016, he might be there sooner. Let's take your theory that Hillary wins the Presidency, and she picks Obama as Vice President.
Two years into their term, an ambitious partisan lawyer for some little known PAC in Washington uncovers new evidence and Whitewater rears it's ugly head again. Hillary gets impeached, kicked out of office and Obama assumes the chief executive role of the country.
Of course, this is all fiction. It would probably make a good movie or soap opera. Can I be a Hollywood screenwriter or what?
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@bond0077 (375)
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25 Feb 08
I hate to break your little bubble there about a obama hillary or visa versa ticket as president and vice,but that won't happen anytime soon,do you think HILLARY will play second fiddle,be a yes person to obama?or do you think hillary would want to spend the rest of her presidency fighting like they do now?no what usually happens is they will bring in someone who can follow orders no questions asked,and who was by their side while fighting for their candidancy!i think if obama is smart he would stay on even if hillary wins,and run again next time,he is young enough!this is hillary last chance ,she is 61 now and has worked all her life for this moment since 1973 along side bill clinton,i think she would quit if she lost in nov so i hopes she gets it!she deserves it!
@Springlady (3986)
• United States
12 Feb 08
I don't really like Obama. Of course, I am a Republican and voted for Mike Huckabee.
I've had 3 different people tell me that Obama is a Muslim and is very dangerous. I don't know how true that is, but I hope he doesn't become our next President. I don't care for Hillary at all.
McCain is ok. I like Mike much better.
God bless.
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@Springlady (3986)
• United States
12 Feb 08
I agree. It is in God's hands. It may not be God's will for Mike Huckabee to become President. He may have other plans for him. No matter who becomes President, they will not be perfect. God is still in control of all things and we just need to pray for our country and other countries as well.
God bless.
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@cynicalandoutspoken (4725)
• United States
11 Feb 08
I don't like him. And it has nothing to do with me being a republican. I just don't like him. Every time I read something about him he has added a new ethnic group to his heritage, his opinions on high profile matters are vague at best and I just don't think the world is ready for a president that could bust out into a rap when giving a speech. But it is all just my opinion.
@Milskidasith (46)
• United States
11 Feb 08
Uhh... I beleive the phrase stereotyping racist pig fits you quite nicely. He hasn't added new groups to his heritage or used his heritage much in his campaign at all (no more than Hillary uses her being a female as an advantage). His opinions on high profile matters are very concrete besides the Iraq war (and that is only that he doesn't have a definate timetable for what he would do, he does want the soliders out) and he is exactly the same as Hillary on almost every other big issue (besides universal healthcare). And to top your ignorance off, you added the coup de grace by saying that he would bust out into a rap. Just because he is African American doesn't mean he is a rapper.
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@cynicalandoutspoken (4725)
• United States
11 Feb 08
Milskidasith thank you for taking the time to respond to my comment on this discussion even though you were not the poster of it. I always love it when people go out of their way to insult me and my intelligence. I don't believe the poster of this discussion only asked that people who like Obama respond so I took that as an invitation to comment. So again, thank you for your comment back to me. It really made my evening.
Oink. Oink.
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@Milskidasith (46)
• United States
12 Feb 08
If you are going to act like a stereotyping racist pig, I have every right to comment on your post. If you had simply been nice about it like the other people in this discussion, I wouldn't comment on your post. But the feature to comment on your posts does exist, and because it does, I have every right to comment on it.
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@bond0077 (375)
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25 Feb 08
Actually i can think of many examples of candidates who during their candidacy all around the world,sounded like a perfect candidate for the times but turned out anything but!Hitler had a movement and following by saying all the right things the population wanted to hear,J.F.K.even though he later was able to accomplish some historic landmark decisions at the beginning was very weak on crime,rasism,and international matters,it was the cuban missile crisis,the bay of pigs and going after the mob,whom he was later shown to had through his father connections to ,that made him the legendary president that he was,and even though he was the man who sent the US OF A to the moon,he was also the one who started the viet nam war!and we all know how that ended!obama is making promises he can't possibly keep,he is use to dealing with young easily influenced children and if you check who the majority of voter are,they are university ages ,being able to inspire congress and all the entrenced old boys is whole different ball game,especially obama being as old as their sons haa haa!!he keeps saying he will change the way politics are done ,quite nieve yet very arrogant and not very realistic i would say!the other thing that really bother's me is barack obama is playing dirty politics,how?he is painting HILLARY CLINTON WITH THE SAME BRUSH AS THE REPUBLICANS BOTH GEORGE BUSH AND MCCAIN,HOW CAN HE SAY THAT HILLARY IS MORE OF THE SAME AS THE REPUBLICANS WHEN IT WAS HER HUSBAND WHO LEFT THE COUNTRY IN A SURPLUS OF FUNDS AND ENDED THE DEFICET BUT GEORGE BUSH WAS THE ONE WHO BLOW IT ALL,IF HILLARY IS MORE OF THE SAME NOT CHANGE,THEN AMERICA NEEDS MORE OF THE SAME OF BILL CLINTON TYPE POLITICS NOT GEORGE W BUSH,SO EVEN THOUGH HE IS SAYING CHANGE FROM GEORGE W BUSH HE IS NOT POINTING THAT OUT BECAUSE HE KNOW IT HELPS HIS AGENDA!TALK ABOUT SNEAKIE AND UNDER HANDED,WILL THE REAL OBAMA PLEASE STAND?
@petebaja (516)
• Mexico
25 Feb 08
Will you please let us know how you REALLY feel about this!?! LOL ha ha ha...I know this is a serious topic and I can see that you're very passionate about it.
You're preaching to the choir. Most people who speak the truth and have the best ideas are lambasted by the press and the masses. The general public does not want to hear the truth. We like to hear rosy colored paint brushes. We don't want to hear what we need to do to get things done. And that was my point earlier.
I like those politicians I mentioned in the prior post like Kucinich, Hunter, etc. They have great ideas. They speak the truth about pragmatic things we have to do to be better. Unfortunately, in the system we have, they will not win a general election.
It's sad, but, it's the truth. We put a lot of stock on glitz and glamour.
@bond0077 (375)
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25 Feb 08
well i agree with you there petebaja but unfortunately what obama is doing here is inspiring you or people who fall for ear candies ,all he is doing is inspiring you to vote for him without asking the right questions but once he gets what he wants it'll be like a cheap date and a wicked hang over and a one night stand,then i'll be the one laughting at you!
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@petebaja (516)
• Mexico
27 Feb 08
LOL, I love that analogy! "cheap date and a wicked hang over and a one night stand"...you certainly let your feelings known.
I could see where you feel that way and you may be right. I have no way of guaranteeing how this junior senator is going to perform in the hot seat. He may fool us all.
I guess I'm just an eternal optimist.
@bond0077 (375)
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22 Feb 08
actually i disagree with you on that candidates only speaks on generalities most of the time but i think obama is taking generalities to a whole new level!CHANGE? that's it? we had a local election once ,this is a true story,the previous politican was so bad with the economy that the next candidate was running on a platform change he called it common sense revolution,he won with a lot of protest votes,people didn't stop to examine the new candiidate's platform ,which all he kept saying '' change '' much like Barack Obama,but once he got voted in guess what ! his idea of change was to run the government like a business and what do businesses owners do with a business that is losing money ,cut,cut,cut anything from jobs to hospitals,but a lot of jobs were cut which meant there were a lot of people who were previous working ,had to now go on welfare etc etc.....we are still recovering to this day,the comparison i find between obama and this politican is they both had the protest votes and not being specific on details of what changes they intend to make! matrex_u_rock@hotmail.com
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@petebaja (516)
• Mexico
22 Feb 08
I'm sorry to hear about the problems in your local area. You are not alone. This downhill slide in the economy is affecting everyone in all corners of the world. It's unfortunate that you have politicians who promise and don't deliver. And you're right. People vote for change...but...what type of change are they voting for?
Change for the sake of change isn't necessrily always a good thing. Change can mean for the worse, like what happened in your local area.
Unfortunately, most politicians get into office with the best of intentions and once they're on the job, reality slaps them in the face. They find out they can't do what they want to do because the system is against them. Even in the case of the President of the United States of America. He's handcuffed by a bureaucracy and a congress that causes gridlock.