I'm Really Pi$$ed Off About This
By pyewacket
@pyewacket (43903)
United States
February 12, 2008 5:07pm CST
Rant time...LOL
Okay as we're made all too aware many discussions might be deleted whether justified or not...By that I mean if the discussion is outright flaming or abusive okay....but then many good discussions that have merit are deleted and can't figure out why. Also, discussions where we voice our opinions or outrage about something which I think is our right to do so are also deleted.
So why the frick is one particular discussion allowed to remain and not deleted? I'm talking about a discussion where the poster openly admits he killed a cat...not once but twice...He mentions how he got "annoyed" that his cat drank his milk, and in his anger he threw a stone at the cat with such impact that it killed the cat....the other time he ran over a cat on his motorcycle. Now I did respond with outrage to this poster, and so did a few others. Whether this story is "real" or not, and maybe just a discussion to get people to respond, isn't the point. As an animal lover this discussion was done in poor taste and does not belong here.....I also pointed out to the jerk, that if he demonstrates such violent anger and kills an animal, like his cat, how do we know he won't harm a person next time in an outrage? Yet this discussion remains here even though several of us have reported it...why does it remain?
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22 responses
@devilsangel (1817)
• United States
13 Feb 08
No offense pye but that discussion to me is not different then the abortion discussion that are on here. People talk about killing babies constantly but they don't have their discussions deleted so to have his deleted would be a double standard now wouldn't it. I don't agree with killing cats but he's intitled to his own opinion and ways. If you don't agree with his topic simply avoid it, but to go around trying to censor what others say and think to me seems a bit wrong and prudish.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
13 Feb 08
Well I hope you don't mind my disagreeing with you. First, it was a friend of mine, a fellow animal lover and in pet rescue (as I've done myself) alerted me to that person's discussion, which is the only reason I even knew about it at all. I still think the discussion was done in poor taste...and I even question this person's anger level. It's been proven that if a person is capable of harming, abusing or killing an animal, they could very well do so with a person...I mean COME ON..he killed a cat just because the cat drank his milk??? This is NOT about being prudish, but yes, to have a discussion like that should be censored as it's an insult for us who are animal lovers
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
13 Feb 08
Hmmmm.....both really, but more the fact that this poster decided to have his discussion at all where it did sound like he was boasting about his killing the cat and have no real remorse...I mean sure didn't sound like he had any remorse did he?
As for censorship....mmmm...all right I DO happen to have been involved with pet rescue, and yes, am an animal activist (oh, yes even a member of PETA..gasp..LOL) But I'm by no means a radical animal activist that would tell a person who loves wearing leather that they shouldn't or not to eat meat (as while I'm not as much the meat eater I used to be, I'm in no way a vegan either)---so no would NOT want to censor someone for wearing leather or eating meat. And since devilsangel touched on the issue of abortion I do happen to be pro-choice...and no I could not sanction abortion for myself, I believe it's solely up to the individual woman whether its right or wrong. So no I do not censor anyone discussing the abortion issue.
HOWEVER...by the poster who did this discussion and in effect boast of his killing not one but two cat without remorse I believe is entirely different....I mean sheesh...if this guy is married I hate to be his wife...I mean in one of his snitty temper tantrum fits he just might hit her with a stone/rock and can't help wonder if he would start his discussion the same way..."Oops. It was an accident. Really...."
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@devilsangel (1817)
• United States
13 Feb 08
my thing is this.. so he boasted about killing a cat.. no matter how disturbing that may be he violated no rules when posting his discussion. Its the same as somoene who post that they went hunting and killed 30 deer or something. Animal lover or not he's got a right to talk about his life and the events that transpire in it. I like animals just like the next person but I'm not gonna jump all over the guy for killing a cat. I think he was a jerk for posting it and an even bigger jerk for killing the cat but outside of that he's got every right to brag about it or whatever it was he was doing.
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@GnosticGoddess (5626)
• United States
13 Feb 08
Well I am certainly glad that I did NOT read the discussion!!
That's outrageous!!!
And like you I can't believe they've left it on here!
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
14 Feb 08
Well enough of us did report it, but the discussion is still here
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
14 Feb 08
The only reason I responded as a fellow friend of mine here alerted me to it...we're both not only animal lovers but done our share of animal rescues
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@teapotmommommerced (10359)
• United States
13 Feb 08
Pyewacket I do not know why they let one discussion stay and others go. I am sorry you ran across this discussion because it upset you so much.
I am with you if this guy is killing cats they who is next?
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
14 Feb 08
A fellow animal lover alerted me to that discussion..so I couldn't let it go without adding my two cents worth...LOL
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@suehan1 (4344)
• Australia
12 Feb 08
hi pye .i havent read that post yet about the cats,but i will.who knows what goes on sometimes with mylot.they delete birthday wishes,but still keep a post about killing cats,i can not work that one out,yes definately poor taste.i would be pee--ed off also.cheers sue
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
13 Feb 08
I can't figure that out either why that discussion still remains...not only I but several did report it
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@sedel1027 (17846)
• Cupertino, California
12 Feb 08
I really don't know what is up with that post. I didn't realize that it was still here. I had reported it as well. That user is either a moron OR someone who needs to be locked up for mental instability. I don't know why the posers get to stay on and other people get banned or have compliant discussion deleted. I was hoping that the whole Crash discussion would shed a better light on that, but he really did not.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
13 Feb 08
No unfortunately that discussion is still there..glad you reported it too, but still didn't do any good, did it? And no, didn't get much light on things by the ask me anything person
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@polachicago (18716)
• United States
13 Feb 08
It makes me question Mr Crash and his bubbled responds.
I don't get this.
Either Mr Crash is just another hacker, or Mylot owners really don't care.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
13 Feb 08
We didn't get any real answers from the answer me guy did we...just the same run around
@vivasuzi (4127)
• United States
14 Feb 08
I actually have never had a discussion deleted or known anyone who did, so I'm wondering why they delete any discussions at all. It seems like only vulgar discussions should be deleted, and it should be well defined what is considered vulgar.
I know mylot has the right to do whatever they want, but I don't get why they can't at least explain to people why a discussion was deleted. I know other websites I've been too where the owners did whatever they wanted and deleted things or changed things, but they would never say why always acting like it was confidential or something. Just seems like a lot of website owners do things like that for no reason and don't care to explain b/c they know they had no good reason.
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@applsofgld (2506)
• United States
17 Feb 08
Can you send me the discussion so I can read it and send mylot my opinion on this. I stand with you on this Pye! This is an outrage. This is not the place for such sick topics as killing animals, I definitely will speak up about this.
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@sumofalltears (3988)
• United States
12 Feb 08
There are plenty of animal lovers, and I would have to guess that there are some animal haters as well. There have been many discussions about bad discussion fodder or improper discussion fodder. I find that the answers are invariably the same.....if the person agrees with the discussion then people that don't and say so could just pass over the discussion rather than getting bent out of shape....and if the discussion is offensive then the discussion should be deleted.
We should be practicing what we preach, because this is a large community and many different opinions out there some of which we are bound to not agree with. If a discussion does not violate the guidelines then it has every right to remain whether anyone finds it offensive or not. This is a discussion forum and if you find something offensive you can say so but that does not necessarily mean it is worthy of deletion.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
13 Feb 08
Well the only reason I even knew about the discussion was one of my friends emailed me about it...a fellow animal lover, so naturally I did have to put more than my two cents in and told the person upfront that his discussion was in bad taste.
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@rowantree (1186)
• United States
13 Feb 08
I didn't look for the post - I don't want to see it - but I'm guessing the reason why it remains is because the "powers that be" of MyLot are LAZY!!!
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
14 Feb 08
No, it's not really laziness...on a technicality the discussion didn't really violate any guidelines unfortunately
@dstrent (112)
• United States
13 Feb 08
Just my opinion....it probably still remains here because it does not go into brutal details as I am sure he could have. All it does is state that he did it. He has that right to say that. Lashing out on him about will he kill a person next is not very nice. There are many people in the world that have killed nothing in their lives but will go out and kill a person just because they felt like it. Maybe you should respond again to that article and approach it in a better manner. The out come may be good. Good luck to you and I am not taking up for who this is, just seeing his rights.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
14 Feb 08
While I would have loved to have "really" spoken my mind out against him when I responded, I was diplomatic about it as I always am when I respond to any discussion, whether it's one I agree on or not--so I think my manner of responding was in a good manner
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
13 Feb 08
Being a dog lover, more than a cat lover, I cannot comment on your outrage at someone throwing a rock at a cat, but I can at discussions being deleted. There was one about this member who started sobbing when reading something, and that was deleted probably because someone was so stupid enough to put in a referral link. However we cannot refuse certain subjects or certain people from writing. You see, someone might want to refuse you or me and besides wouldn't you want to know about those type of evil people who kill and maim animals and people because to be warned is to be forearmed?
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
14 Feb 08
No, I happen to know the discussion you are talking about..the sobbing one...the poster decided to ask mylot to delete it herself...she felt a bit embarrassed by it. As a animal lover in general and one who has done a bit of pet rescuing I'm only all too well aware of the autrocities and abuses people inflict on animals..but to read something like this here by a member who openly admitted to killing an animal is out of line as far as I'm concerned--I read enough of animal abuse everyday with my pet rescue groups I belong to...don't need to hear it here too
@howard96h (11640)
• New York, New York
13 Feb 08
This is the stuff I don't understand, a posted discussion about killing an animal is still not removed even after it's been reported by several people. Their response will be that they are busy and when they get around to it, it will be removed - this is the reason why mylot should have a "flagging system" similar to Craigslist so if a discussion is offensive or against policy rules we can flag it and it will be automatically deleted.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
14 Feb 08
I was just reading the guidelines again, and there really isn't any violations that the discussion could be consider ...not even that discussion you gave me the link about....yes, both are done in poor taste, are offensive but perhaps only considered offensive to few..go figure
@omer_ahmed_tabarik (1057)
• Pakistan
13 Feb 08
Well, there is injustice around sometimes but it is very less. According to the discussion you mentioned, can you give the link please. It was all so horrible to hear about such things and people then accepting there worng doing which is very bad and unethinical.
Plus, report that user and try to share him/her with us so that we might report him/her too.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
14 Feb 08
I just PM'd you about that discussion...I plus a few others did report the discussion, but it's still there
@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
13 Feb 08
Hi and thanks again for helping me get the annoying music off my site. If I had waited for Mylot to respond it would still be there. I am thankful for caring friends like you...always so willing to lend a helping hand.
Anyway, on to the topic. I did not see the discussion in question here...but it sounds vile. I checked out the question and answer post from Crash and noticed he did a nice job of spinning things without coming up with a direct answer to your question on how they decide what is deleted. That seemed odd to me. However, Mylot does says they intend to honor the right of free speech...although how and why they delete topics is as unclear to me as it is to you and others who question it.
The way you described this guy I cannot help but wonder it he posted the discussion to create earnings by having a lot of responses on his site. Crash did say that as long as topics do not violate guidelines they will not delete topics. Maybe poor taste does not fall under that category. Having said all this I am still in agreement that discussions about animal abuses are something I do not like to read about.
Perhaps the best way to handle a guy like this is for all animal lovers to avoid the topic. With zero responses maybe he would get the idea that no one wants to involve themselves in what he is offering. Conflict always takes two or more people. If there is no one to engage with there is no way to inflame things...but that is just my perspective.
I do admire and respect your activism and being the voice for all the furry, feathered, winged and finned ones who cannot speak for themselves. Keep up your good work Pyewacket...you have a legion of supporters and I am one of them.
Hugs and blessings,
Raia
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
14 Feb 08
Unfortunately, there is no real violation from what I understand about that discussion, and I just read the guidelines ....again. But I wish there was a rule about posting discussions that fall under crude or poor taste
@chrislotz (8137)
• Canada
13 Feb 08
It remains here because the person who started the discussion didn't break any rules. If you read the guidelines you will see that you are allowed to write just about anything you want as long as it doesn't break the rules. Also if you reported it as abuse, you shouldn't have responded to it. I'm sure mylot has taken that into consideration when they checked it out. Why would people report something as abuse and then go ahead and respond to it? If you read crash's questions and answers you would have read a discussion about this exact thing and then you would know what determines an abuse discussion. Everyone has a right to post what they want here, as long as it doesn't break any rules.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
14 Feb 08
Yes, I know the guidelines too...and yes, technically speaking that discussion didn't break any rules, but it was in poor taste and offensive to animal lovers. It was a friend of mine here who pointed out the discussion to me...the two of us are animal lovers and have been involved with pet rescue..so yes, maybe we should have just skipped it..but the pet rescue in us couldn't ignore it as it goes against our ideology and principles--the person wrote in such a way that he was boasting of the fact he killed a cat and felt no great remorse...is that right?
@gemini_rose (16264)
•
13 Feb 08
I remember seeing the discussion you are on about, it made me really angry and upset. I mean even if that was not true, what on earth possesses someone to write something like that anyway. I thought it would have been taken off to be perfectly honest, it was in very poor taste and totally disrespects others and in a sense makes a mockery of a place like this and people who like to come on here and have proper discussions and things.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
14 Feb 08
I couldn't agree with you more, that discussion was in really poor taste and doesn't really belong here