Everyone Knows who MaryJ is but are You Acquainted with SallyD?
By Dr. Ann
@drannhh (15219)
United States
February 28, 2008 5:09pm CST
When I was a little nipper, mum used to grow all sorts of things, and ornamental poppies were no exception until the day when a whole carload of federal agents came onto her property and started whacking them down. "No," she yelled, running outdoors in her apron, "Those are ornamental poppies!" I watched and listened as the men roughly told her it was illegal to grow poppy seeds, as when they went to seed they could be used to make uncontrolled substances.
My eyes were got as big as saucers when hearing that, and in my mind's eye there was an image of a plate with a big slice of mum's home made poppy seed cake on it, but the cake had wings that were flapping as the cake flew away. When the agents left, and our beautiful garden lay in shambles, mum did something quite rare--she bawled her eyes out, and in a rare display of mother/daughter closeness, I cried with her.
Little did we know that there was a rather more pernicious ornamental plant growing along the walk way which the drug enforcement fellas overlooked: SallyD aka salvia. The following link contains questionable language toward the end, so consider before clicking, but it gives one of the best overviews of the subject that I have seen:
http://fracas.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/have-you-heard-about-sallyd/
Here is a more family-friendly link:
http://www.banderasnews.com/0612/hb-salviadivinorum.htm
There are over a thousand varieties of salvia, a member of the sage family, and only a few are dangerous. Salvia does make a beautiful garden accent, and in fact looks lovely in official photos of the US Whitehouse:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/ask/images/20041019_7-f6186-36-2-515h.html
Remembering that my parents had always had several different kinds of this plant growing ornamentally in our gardens (how could I forget, having been the family member assigned to weed there?), I rushed to Mr. Google and brought up a plethora of articles about salvia divinorum, also known as Mary the Shepherdess. Nope we never grew that, but we did grow Salvia splendens, which is the Red Flare featured on the Whitehouse lawn, along with Dusty Miller, which we also used as a border for the salvia:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/ask/images/20041019_5-f6188-12-515h.html
As it turns out, Red Flare contains some of the same chemicals as Divinorum, but presumably in milder strength. In searching to see if any other myLotters started discussions about salvia, I noticed that quite a few people were aware of the alternative uses of these plants, but apparently they were unfamiliar with the name MaryD.
Had you heard of this name before? Did you know what it meant? Do your or did you grow salvia or any other ornamental plants that are either poisonous or now restricted for some other reason?
What do you think about this subject. Am I doing more harm than good in publicizing it?
Do you love ornamental poppies or eat the seeds? Go ahead and hijack this discussion in any direction you please, as long as it is tasteful...
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6 responses
@coolseeds (3919)
• United States
1 Mar 08
Salvia divinorum is more like Solenostemon. Solenostemon is what used to be called Coleus. If coleus did not have multicolored leaves it would be possible to get the 2 of them confused.
S. divinorum and Solenostemon also come from the same area. Although the flower is similar to other Salvia species they might be closer relatives to coleus which has a similar flower.
The Mazatecs used the leaves of 3 plants. 1 of which was S. divinorum and the other 2 are species of coleus. Unfortunately plants are classified from the flowers and not genetics.
Ps... the annual Salvia that you grow in flower beds has little to no Salvinorin hallucinogens. The information that is contains Salvinorin is taken from an unconfirmed test from an unreliable source.
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@drannhh (15219)
• United States
1 Mar 08
We had Coleus in our garden, too, but the variegated and the plain color, too, but did not ingest it. I've heard they sometimes cross SallyD with the Coleus and also with the Splendens, the aim as I gather being to get a form of the SallyD that can be propagated by seed instead of from cuttings.
Unconfirmed and unreliable? Really!? That is quite interesting. Here is the abstract on Savona et al:
http://www.find-health-articles.com/rec_pub_17190451-clerodane-diterpenoids-salvia-splendens.htm
Is that the one you mean? Or do you mean the Ortega findings? Are there any links you know of where one can read more about the unreliability of the source. I've read Daniel Siebert's review but find it rather anecdotal. I'd really rather read a study written by someone what hasn't smoked the stuff. Can you help me out on this?
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@drannhh (15219)
• United States
1 Mar 08
I hope to make clear that I don't recommend it either, but nevertheless thank you much for the wonderful links. I did hesitate to even bring the subject up in the first for the very reasons you point toward, but then I considered that parents need to know a bit about this sort of thing because, apparently, the "children" already do.
MyLotters should be especially wary of using anything that gives them a feeling that they do not want to get out of their chairs (as described by one imbiber) as we have a hard enough time dragging ourselves away from myLot as it is. I should have entitled my discussion "DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!"
I am most honored to have one so knowledgeable about plants reply to my discussion and most enthusiastically welcome any further information you feell it is appropriate to share.
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@zigzagbuddha (4601)
• United States
12 Mar 08
I saw a picture of a Purple Haze plant once that has had me drooling for years! Your avatar drives me wild!
@arkaf61 (10881)
• Canada
29 Feb 08
I am aware of the plant and some of the hallucinogenic effects but would not recognize the name SallyD.
Maybe in Portuguese there is a common name for it as well, but I don't know.
AS for poppies I think they're so pretty:)
There's a special day in Portugal it is a christian tradition, although there also seems to be an older connection with the pagan religions, I think it's always about 40 days after Easter and it's always on a thursday. On that day boys and girls used to go pick up little bouquets with wild flowers (including daisies, rosemary and poppies ), wheat, an olive tree branch. I remember that each thing has a special meaning. THe wheat symbolizes bread, food. It'a like a wish so there will be food at our tables. The olive branch is both for peace and light - old lamps where olive oil was used to get the light going - . And the flowers were for happiness. Flowers are certainly something that brighten our lives :) SPeciallly daisies because they symbolized silver and gold for some reason , which meant a wish that the person will have enough money, poppies for love and long life, and rosemary for health and strength.
The bouquet is supposed to be kept for the whole year until the next "dia da espiga" ( that's what it's called )
And I don't know what prompted all this big explanation that does not even have anything to do with the main idea of your discussion, but the poppies kind of brought that memory:)
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@drannhh (15219)
• United States
29 Feb 08
Sounds like a wonderful tradition and I'm really glad you explained a bit of it here. I did invite everyone to be creative in answering. I got a little creative myself in referring to SallyD as MaryD, lol. Broke my own train of thought, lol.
Mary the Shepherdess + SallyD (not MaryD!)
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@arkaf61 (10881)
• Canada
29 Feb 08
I'm glad that you enjoyed learning about this tradition although I really got of track when I thought about the poppies LOL
I was going to talk about plants in general and ornamental plants as well as many of the properties that people sometimes are not aware of, but then those poppies just kept bringing images into my mind :) People don't make much of this tradition anymore, although , like everything, he turned more commercial: most kids don't go to the fields to get the bouquets - where are the fields anyway? - but some people in the villages do and then send them to the cities where people buy them. Not the same thing , sadly.
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@GardenGerty (160702)
• United States
29 Feb 08
Grandma grew poppies, and I loved it when they dried and I could shake them like a salt shaker. We did not grow up with that wonderful poppy seed cake or buns. I never knew about salvia, but there are several other hallucinogenic plants that grow readily around here.
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@zigzagbuddha (4601)
• United States
12 Mar 08
Sage is one of my favorite herbs, I'll have to try that! I use Mary Jane... hehehe, I love that name! I want to wear Mary Janes and if I was going to change my name I would change it to guess? Yep. Mary Jane. I would carry a book bag with my name plainly across the front, in colorful hand-stitched lettering. Anyway, I use it ritually, therapeutically, and recreationally. It would be really nice if I could accomplish the same purpose legally! But I'm not looking for something that leaves me unable to make a peanut butter sandwich. That might be more along the lines of what coolseeds was talking about - divinatory stuff, and I'm not into divining the future, I'm more into creating it.
@Normpixel (4)
• United States
29 Feb 08
Great "rundown" on "various varieties" of Salvia! We probably have many of the varieties right here in the Ozarks (and the "uses" too!). Have not checked our state's "legal stance" on same. ...Normpixel...
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
29 Feb 08
Apparently, it is not a federally controlled substance yet, and although it is illegal in some states, with legislation under consideration to ban it in quite a few others, so far I'm not aware of there being any issues in Arkansas. In fact one eBay seller from Shirley, Arkansas is selling the plants online, with the warning "Do not Ingest"--and doing a brisk trade.
Say, isn't that within an hour's drive of the famous Serenity Farms Bread Company?
http://www.serenityfarmbread.us/
Wahoo! I'd rather chew on some of than a dried weed.
@wrld_n_harmony (695)
• United States
1 Mar 08
WOW - I had no idea! My mom always grown salvia because of the blooms and the sweet scent, but I had no idea of it's other uses! I wonder if my mom does???? Also, who would enforce the law here if they're even planted at the White House? Do you really think anyone is educated enough to actually know salvia could be used to make a controlled substance? This is such good info. Thanks for posting!
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@drannhh (15219)
• United States
1 Mar 08
I think this is a case of "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" and I do hope nobody goes out and tries smoking anything they find in their mum's garden. With thousands of perfectly harmless varieties of salvia available for ornamental use in the garden, chances of your mom having planted the dangerous kind are close to nil. All varieties of salvia are perfectly legal in most states currently, and the ones in the Whitehouse lawn are not SallyD. However, like many other plants, the red ones might have some small sedative-like effect, although as one who commented here points out, that is unconfirmed. Please don't eat the daisies...or the salvia...or the coleus, lol.