Prince Harry
By MsTickle
@MsTickle (25180)
Australia
March 1, 2008 4:43am CST
Prince Harry has been fighting in Southern Afghanistan since December. He is now home again following a leak by the media both in Australia and the US. The Australian magazine claim they were not aware there was an embargo on the story.
Here is a link of the story of his deployment...it's a good read:
http://news.sbs.com.au/worldnewsaustralia/prince_harry_fighting_in_afghanistan__541634
I have no problem with the fact that he was there doing the job he is trained to do. I do have a problem with the media breaking the story.
This put the Prince and his men into the most dreadful danger and I can't believe this wasn't a consideration before the story/ies went to air/print.
In a news item on TV the Prince mentioned a letter he had received from his brother William telling him he was proud of him and their mother (Princess Diana) would have been proud of him too. Diana was not afraid to put herself 'out there' for the causes she patronised and believed in and it seems her sons feel the same way.
What are your feelings on this? Was it wrong for Prince Harry to be sent to war?
Do you believe it was a genuine mistake by the media in leaking the story or was it the media doing what it does best in the race for the "scoop" and the almighty dollar?
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33 responses
@charms88 (7538)
• Philippines
1 Mar 08
Hi tickle, how are you? Its been a while since we last corresponded. Hope you're doing well. :)
Back to the discussion, I seriously empathize with Prince Harry. I heard the news this morning while watching CNN. The prince, himself, admitted that for once, he likes to feel how is it to live a normal life. He had been exposed to media and paparazzi since his birth and its no wonder why he chose to join the Soldiers fighting in Afghanistan. A way of proving himself that he can survive even in war.
The media and the people behind the news can be cruel at times. But that's the way of the media is. By leaking the news, they have put Prince Harry's life in danger. England is now gathering more security to guard the palace and everyone's lives.
It was Prince Harry's decision to join the war and in my opinion, there is really nothing with it. We all make our own choices in life. Some good, some not so good. I only hope the media will be more considerate in spreading such news.
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@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
1 Mar 08
Pllllleeease baby, did you see those pictures? He was so happy POSING for the media!
I will spit on him if it doesn't get me into trouble.:P
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
3 Mar 08
I read that his Grandmother said he should go. It wasn't entirely his choice. I'm beginning to think that the young Prince is wanting to be a regular person first and a royal second. I think this makes him strong minded and of course the papparazzi will love to catch him doing unroyal things for the sake of scandal.
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
3 Mar 08
He was posing was he Lww? Usually the Royals take no notice of the camera seeing as how they have been on them since they were born. He is obviously pleased with himself and rightly so. He can be very proud of himself. His country is proud of him. I'm proud of him.
So you'd spit on him? that's a bit mean of you. Is it the Royals you don't like or white people in general? BTW when was the last time you fought for your country? LOL.
@ElicBxn (63643)
• United States
1 Mar 08
I heard it was a U.S. source that orginally broke the story. The British media knew and was following the Prince in Afghanistan, but had agreed to keep a lid on story. I don't think it was right for them to break the story and endangering him and his men.
I do think William is right about their mother being proud of him, all the while she was worring about him.
I know Prince Harry wanted to go to do the job he's been trained to do.
In the old days the "spare" was trained to be their brother's military advisor. How can he be an advisor without the needed knowlege?
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@ElicBxn (63643)
• United States
3 Mar 08
That's just the way of it. The heir and the spare was the traditionaly way of upclass/ruling familys. The heir got the whole ball of wax, the spare was expected to go into the military, if there were a 3 or more son, one would be expected to go into the clergy, another perhaps into studies.
Its not that they didn't try and support the sons, want to see them settled, but only the heir would have land and property and most of the money from the estate.
@nannacroc (4049)
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1 Mar 08
I think it's wrong for anyone to be sent to war but as Prince Harry had chosen his role, he should have been with his colleaques. Common sense would tell anyone that it would be detrimental to both the prince and his colleaques for it to be known he was there. Whoever leaked this story has no excuse other than pure self interest.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
3 Mar 08
Some might say that the danger to everyone was a good reason not to deploy the young prince. But this is what they have been studying and training for all their lives. It would be a waste if they just sat home and did not participate.
I'm looking forward to seeing what the Aussie magazine has to say in it's defence.
@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
1 Mar 08
From all the interviews I have seen of Prince Harry I believe that he really wanted to go to war and be treated as a soldier doing his duty as much as that is safe for a member of the royal family. I do NOT believe that media was not aware of the embargo. IMO it is another example of getting a "scoop", making big bucks without any thought to the fact that they were putting not only the prince's life in danger but all his fellow soldiers as well. I really hope there is some form of legal action that can be taken against these people that blew his cover and will make them think twice before they put any one's life in danger again.
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@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
1 Mar 08
Well well, Prince Harry.
I don't know him personally but the impression I have of him is that of a spoiled, spoiled brat. Pretty much a good-for-nothing that just happened to be born in a rich (royal) family.
I believe he wanted to go Iraq himself - fueled by kiddish bravado.
The media must have got the tacit nod or they wouldn't dare do what they did, no matter what they claim. Royals are masters of deception.:P
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
3 Mar 08
Oooh...do I detect the green eyed monster? A bit jealous perhaps are we LWWW? I don't think he is spoiled...priveledged yes, spoiled, no. I would hate to be born royal, in the public eye constantly and protected at all times and not able to live my life as I want to because of the constant scrutiny.
How can you say he is good for nothing with all the study he has done and the training he has? Yes he wanted to go because that is the job he is trained for and he didn't want to be wrapped in cotton wool and stuck on a pedestal. I don't know where you get the kiddish bravado notion from...he is fighting a war! And 500 metres from the front line.
I think it's the media who are masters of deception. The Royals will always cop the blame for something (anything) that goes wrong.
@p1kef1sh (45681)
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1 Mar 08
Depending upon which paper, TV programme that you watch the leak was made by the US, Germans and Australia. I am believe that it was wholly right and proper for Harry to go, but clearly there is a security overtone in that he could draw enemy attention to our troops where they wouldn't have had any previously. I believe that the media are generally pretty irresponsible, I suspect that there would have been a price to pay for the British medias silence too. He can only come home now. But at least he has done his duty and we should be proud of him for that along with all the other boys and girls that are deployed as a result of this Government's misplaced sense of "fight against terrorism".
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@AJ1952Chats (2332)
• Anderson, Indiana
1 Mar 08
I believe that Prince Harry is very courageous and wanting to make a difference. Unfortunately--or, perhaps, fortunately, since this war seems to be a lot like The Vietnam War--he's not able to stay and do his duty.
However, the fact that he was willing to go over there and not hide behind his royal roots shows that he has the character of his late mother and wants to make a positive difference--to walk the walk as well as talking the talk!
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
3 Mar 08
Yes, he is to be commended. We see him portrayed as a bit of a wild one with a drinking problem, no less, in the media spotlight. This shows quite a different light on our Prince Harry. He was saying he hadn't washed in 4 days, hadn't changed his clothes...there was nothing he missed from back home. He said, someone will ask do I miss the booze, no, I don't miss the booze. The companionship of my mates, to be treated as 'normal' makes up for everything. I feel a little sorry for him actually that he has to go to such extraordinary lengths to be treated as a normal person.
@edwardmorris7 (11)
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1 Mar 08
I think that it is good that the prince did this because this is what he has been trained to do. i was disapointed with the foriegn media when they released this info about him because it put him and his men in jeperdy. made him a sitting duck especially seen as he has wales written on his helmet. i was however very suprised as to how long it was managed to be kept a secret cos 10 weeks is a long time. good on him
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@chiyosan (30183)
• Philippines
8 Mar 08
i guess they are making it too much a hype. its okay for one if he is there... why even let it get covered while they are still in operation. it can be dangerous to him and his colleagues.
maybe he was there.. i wonder if he is really doing the same tasks as the other soldiers. he he
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@GnosticGoddess (5626)
• United States
2 Mar 08
I think it is good he goes. I can understand why one wouldn't want him over there but even in times of war back in the olden days sons of Kings fought in battle. Maybe they'd keep the oldest home as insurance but now days the King and Queen of England are status symbols and not rulers.
I agree that the story about him should not have leaked. He would be more a target and like you said him and his mean in a lot more danger.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
4 Mar 08
He is certainly not looking for attention. He has trained for this work and he was just trying to do his job as a soldier, not playing some game as Prince Harry. He obviously takes his training and his station in life seriously and the media doing what they did have belittled him and what he is trying to do.
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@royal52gens (5488)
• United States
2 Mar 08
I think it was good for him to experience war first hand. Some day he might be king and he should know what he is sending his people into should he have to. He should not ask anyone to do something that he himself is not willing to do also. I think he has done the right thing for himself and his country. The news media was in the wrong. They put Harry's life in more danger by leaking information.
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@mummymo (23706)
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4 Mar 08
Hey Sweety! I for one do not believe any journalist who say s they didn't realise that they shouldn't be reporting on this - that, in my opinion is an out and out lie! Did they think the British Press did not realise what was happening and that it hadn't been reported, even if they were that naive a little bit of digging would have uncovered the reasons for the embargo! As you say it was not just the Prince they placed in even more danger than they already faced but all his comrades too and that is just despicable! Of course it was all about money and exposure on behalf of those who published this story and I hope they feel ashamed of themselves! Just to clarify I am not in any way a royalist but I do understand why the forces out there would find it a huge coup to be able to 'get' such a high profile person. I do think it was great that Harry could fight with his men as he trained too rather than just be a phony figure in the armed forces! Good for him and I have to say I feel so sorry for him that he had to return to the UK 4 weeks before the end of his tour due to this and that really upset him!
Ps did you know the others had a nickname out there - it was 'bullet magnet' xxx
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
5 Mar 08
That's a dreadful nickname but these days it's par for the course I guess. I find I'm more easily shocked as I get older. LOL.
I'm with you Mo, I don't believe they didn't know either. They have to verify their sources and their facts don't they?
Perhaps it was a setup...someone overseas leaks the story and Harry is withdrawn, safe and sound. I guess we'll never know.
@CoffeeAnyone (3210)
• Canada
2 Mar 08
When I saw this story I was furious with the media; or at least for the ones who decided to put this story out there. How sad, how pathetic is that. Obviously lacking integrity.
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
2 Mar 08
I t would seem that we are of like minds on this subject, Ms Tickle. I did a discussion on this same topic the other day, and I agree wholeheartedly with you. The media used very poor judgment and endangered the lives of the Prince as well as those in his unit. It is never in anyone's best interest when lives are in jeopardy.
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@Polly1 (12645)
• United States
1 Mar 08
They should not have leaked the story. The media needs to take some responsibility for what they do. They cause so much harm to so many people everyday. The "almighty" dollar sure can get people in trouble, killed, hurt, embarrased. The list can go on and on. Basically the media killed his mom, the media could have gotten him and others killed. Let them boys life their lives as normally as possible.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
4 Mar 08
Those boys are second and third in-line to the throne. Their lives will never be normal. The sooner they can accept that and live their lives appropriately the happier they will be. I look to people in power and authority to set a good example. The royal family haven't been doing that...they can be normal but they have to be discreet. In these last couple of generations, discretion has been sadly lacking. It is the media that makes their lives impossible and difficult.
@Lindalinda (4111)
• Canada
1 Mar 08
You hit the nail on the head. I think this scoop put the young prince and his men in grave danger. I admire his courage to go in the first place knowing he could be a prime target. Shame on the press who leaked this information. I wish him a safe return home.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
4 Mar 08
While I do not condone war, I believe if you send troops into battle then the commander should go as well. It's all very well to deploy soldiers while the fat cats that give the orders stay safely at home in their cushy desk jobs.
We are not talking about frivolous party going and drinking and the rich at play here we are talking about war. This was a reprehensible act on the part of the media involved.
@dodoguy (1292)
• Australia
1 Mar 08
Hi MsTickle,
I think this subject is laced with all sorts of ironies and paradoxes.
First off, the action of the relevant media agencies in publishing details of the Prince' deployment to Afghanistan was deplorable - the best term I can find to describe it is "mercenary", that is, motivated purely by greed or the opportunity for gain. (And it's a little quirky that "mercenary" is also used as a noun to describe a military freelancer-for-hire).
There's no question that the disclosure of this information made the Prince and his unit prime targets for the Taliban. None of this would matter if neither side of the ongoing conflict in Afghanistan was of any consequence to the publishers' public audience, but the fact is that both the USA and Australia have affection both for the British people in general and for their military personnel. So the publication of this information endangered people who their target audience would probably prefer not to be placed in harm's way. What could these media people have been thinking? Once again, the adjective "mercenary" would seem to be appropriate.
From a slightly abstract angle, it strikes me as a little macabre that Prince Harry wanted to go and join in the killing - but the Government wanted to make sure that he could do it safely.
That last bit isn't aimed at Prince Harry, though, who after all is just a young fellow who has been born into a very unique circmstance. It's just commenting on the perennial lunacy of war. The less of it, the better, IMO.
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
4 Mar 08
The fact that if he wasn't in Afghanistan would mean no story and no added danger for the troops there. I'm surprised no-ne has mentioned this aspect.
The thing is, the royals are all raised with a grave sense of duty practically tattooed on their forhead and a few of them have been outstanding in their efforts to step up to the plate. The Queen, Princess Anne, Princess Diana and now Harry obviously have a strong sense of duty and are prepared to stand up and be counted. I think this sets a great example to a lot of people who would put the Royals down.
Do you really see it as harry joining his troops in the "killing" I take a broader view and see his actions and that of his unit and in fact, all the troops fighting for their countries as a means to an end.
@youdontsay (3497)
• United States
1 Mar 08
The Australian magazine may not have been aware of the embargo on the story. But I'm sure they have enough good sense to know that publishing it would put the prince and his troops at risk. No one in their position could truly be that dense.
I think it is laudable that the prince wants to serve his country like any other citizen. But in doing so he does put others at risk. It must have been a difficult decision for him.
It must be incredibly difficult to lead any sort of normal life when you are such a high profile celebrity. I think it is really amazing that people do manage to develop into "real" adults when raised in the spotlight.
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
4 Mar 08
I thought they were supposed to check their sources and verify the facts before they went to print. Doesn't seem like they did this ....if they had they would have realised that no-one else was reporting it and the danger that would result from leaking the story. One responder here suggested it was all a set up.
He does put others at risk in this sort of situation which is why he was there as a covert operation with all care taken and an undertaking with the media not to report his whereabouts or what he was doing.
It's this celebrity that Harry hates and wishes he could not be a royal. He just wants to be a regular type of person. I've seen the older royals going through life and they seem to become more discreet, accepting and cautious as they grow older. Harry will settle down one day I suppose . I sincerely hope he continues to do what he believes is right.
@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
1 Mar 08
I think it's great that Prince Harry wants to serve his country and I agree that Princess Diana would have been extremely proud of him. It must be hard to live that type of lifestyle though.
I think the media was wrong in reporting his whereabouts simply b/c they've opened him up to being a target and they've interferred with the military. This war is hard enough without the media creating more trouble.
**AT PEACE WITHIN**
~~STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS~~
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@superjockh (237)
• United States
1 Mar 08
I believe it was not a wrong for Britain to allow Prince Harry to be sent to war. He was next in line to the English throne and the nation did not want him to go to war to fight in Southern Afghanistan. However, Prince Harry decided to go on his own. So the British government and the British media made a deal not to announce Prince Harry's whereabouts as it will put him and his fellow soldiers in grave danger. Unfortunately, the United States media, especially was not let in on the deal. So the moment the US media found out about Prince Harry's whereabouts, they reported it. The US media was not considerate enough to wonder why the British media have not reported Prince Harry's whereabouts. Anyways, I have heard that Prince Harry would not finish his combat as planned in April. They have sent him home back to England.
-Feel Free to Disagree
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
4 Mar 08
Hi superjockh but I have to disagree, Harry is not next in line to the throine, his father the Prince of Wales is. Then it's William, then Harry. So he is thrid in line.
Also, I read it was the decision of his grandmother, her Royal Majesty Queen Elizabeth II to send him to Afghanistan.
He was home before I posted this discussion I believe.