Mothers and Daughters
By kathryn01
@kathryn01 (109)
South Africa
March 8, 2008 1:47pm CST
I would like to share something with you. This is a very sensitive matter. I don't know the mother or the daughter, but I've been friends with the father of this girl for about a lifetime. I want to help him with this, but really don't know what to say to him. According to him his wife and their daughter, who is in her final year in high school, don't get along at all. They fight constantly and the mother is telling the girl that she is worth nothing. This poor girl doesn't want to have anything to do with her mother. The father does everything for her that I feel a mother should, because that's what I used to do for my girls. He gakes her to school, helps her with everything. What do I say to him? He is working full time, travels a lot and it sounds that as soon as he leaves town, they start fighting and he can't help her at all, except giving her advise on the phone. I would really appreciate some input on this. I don't want to get involved because they don't know me, but I can just imagine that this girl needs a woman in her life, especially now. How is she going to know how to treat her children one day if this is the example that she has grown up with?
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@steffyhoney (706)
• United States
8 Mar 08
I dont know what you would say to him. If the mother treats the daughter like this then the father should step in and stick up for her. And if the mother is that bad why dont he leave her, and make a good home for his daughter? If he is the one doing everything for her, its still a good thing. I grew up with no mother because leaving us for a guy was more important. I was 10 and I had 2 younger sisters. And my father never helped us. He never paid bills. He was drunk all the time. So for most of my childhood/teenage life, we lived with no food, water, electric, heat, clean clothes etc. And me and my sisters both turned out ok. I would never do that to my child(ren). If anything she will learn from this and to be a better parent. I know I did. I am nothing like either of my parents and I thrive to give my daughter what I never had. So dont fear she will do this to her own kids. Cause I doubt that.
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@kathryn01 (109)
• South Africa
8 Mar 08
Thank you so much for your input. I guess you are right. In the end its your choice what you do with your life, no matter the circumstances. I grew up in a very safe and secure home and these things tend to always upset me. Because I know my friend very well, I know that it upsets him too. He said to me just this afternoon that the daughter now left to stay with a friend for the weekend. Maybe its a good thing, so that there can be a little bit of distance for a while. Maybe I should just listen and be kind of his sound board until this blows over. And good for you for turning out the way you did. I'm sure you are a fantastic example to everyone around you. Thanks
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@steffyhoney (706)
• United States
8 Mar 08
You are welcome. I hope everything works out good for him and her both. If shes a senior in highschool, I believe thats what you said, then she should be out on her own in the near future anyways and not even have to worry about all the trouble anymore. I moved out at 16 and was the best day of my life. Im now 23 with a 4 year old daughter and just never look back. I have a great life compared to what I did have. And honestly id never change it. It made me who I am today and im proud of it. Again, good luck to them.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
9 Mar 08
I just have to comment. I think that your outlook and phylosphy is amazing and very mature. You have done well to rise above your situation. I am sorry that you had such a tough life but it looks like you are a strong person and were able to turn it around and be a stronger person because of it.
@cynthiamurphy08 (4)
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9 Mar 08
First of all the no mother should ever tell their child that they are worth nothing. If that is all a child grows up hearing then eventally they are going to believe it. The mother and daughter should probably get some counseling and the father needs to put his foot down when it comes to the mother. How does he stand it? I would never allow anyone to talk to my child in such a way. It is pretty obvious that the mother doesn't realize that her daughter is a gift from God. Believe me, the mother and the daughter both will regret their actions one day! You only have each other for a very short time here on earth and once you're gone -there is no coming back to undo the hurtful things you have done to other people especially your family. I wonder what the mother is going to say to God when he asks her about the way she treated her daughter - the gift he gave her?
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@kathryn01 (109)
• South Africa
9 Mar 08
This is exactly what I said to him the first time he told me about this. My husband did this to me, told me constantly that I was fat and could never be what he wanted in a wife etc. It broke me and I eventually left him, after I realized that I am worth something and that I can live my own life according to what God intended me to. But that's another story. Thank you for your response. I'm so glad that I opened this discussion, because it really helped me a lot, even in my relationship with my own children and my mother. We don't appreciate what we've got until its sometimes too late. And yes, what are we doing with the gifts that God gives us? Something to think about seriously...
@cdparazo (5765)
• Philippines
9 Mar 08
For me, the best way to settle conflict and bad feelings is to sit down together and talk it out. There are certainly issues that the mother and daughter have that needs to be discussed. I also know a lot of mothers and daughters don't get along at that stage because mothers are more bound to discipline the daughter since the father is always not around. I have no doubt that the mother loves the daughter but being a parent and doing the best for ones child is never easy. Since the daughter listens to the father, he could exert effort to settle the issues and bring the 2 together. It won't be easy and it won't be solved overnight, but its a step in the right direction.
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@kathryn01 (109)
• South Africa
9 Mar 08
Yes, I'm sure time is the most important factor in situations like this. Maybe they're just going through a bad time at the moment. I remember that I was a bit rebellious when I was about 17, 18 years old. Thanks for your response.
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
9 Mar 08
I have 4 daughters. A mother/daughter relationship is very sensitive and emotional. It is very different than that of the father/daughter. I know that during the teen years it is especially tough. Hormones are raging and girls tend to be closer to the dads than their moms during this time. I don't know. I was always very close to my girls until they hit the teen years and then it was ...hard to describe really but they were breaking away and very argumentive toward me...not the dad. It's a tough time. At times they did want to live with dad...i let them. and then they'd come home. I think our closeness prior to the teen years helped and eventually things calmed down, they grew up and now I am so close to all of them. I still have a 14 year old at home. Just last week she called her dad and told him that I was being mean and she wanted to go live with him. He called me and we talked. Oh yes, I was getting on her case. She was trying to miss school...AGAIN. She has been giving me a hard time about going to school and has been late alot and yes...I got angry and put my foot down. Thankfully, we work together and he got on the phone with her and yes...she went to school. I would if i were you hesitate to judge the mom or get involved at all unless you really know both sides of the story. Is he with the mom or are they separated? It could be that he doesn't even know the entire story.If it were a younger child then maybe i'd be more concerned but at this girls age....i'd stay out of it if i were you.
@kathryn01 (109)
• South Africa
9 Mar 08
You know, you have just reminded me how I was with my eldest daughter when she was a teenager. On more than one occasion I almost hit her, she made me so MAD! Then I calmed down a bit and things went better with the second one, and today we are just so close, we can't live without each other. My friend and his wife are still together, so they live in the same house. And yes, I really don't know the woman's side of the story so I really won't judge her. I just feel so sorry for the girl because I know how important it is to have a good relationship at least with one 'mother figure' in your life at her age. Thank you so much for your response. You helped me to see the issue from a different perspective.
@dragonfly242 (1060)
• Bahamas
8 Mar 08
Hi my mother left me, my sister and brother with my dad when i was just eight.It was the best thing that she could have done.he turned out to be more nurtering,surpportive and loving than she could ever be. this could be the same for your friend just as long as he loves and support s her she'll be just fine.after all she has a good role model,and his name is DAD!!!
@kathryn01 (109)
• South Africa
9 Mar 08
Yeah, he surely is a very good father. I don't know the ins and outs of their marriage and don't really want to know, but this I know: He tries his utmost to be the best. Thanks for your response.
@salanghei (40)
• China
9 Mar 08
i think maybe they aii have trouble in doing sth .the daughter may love her parents very much ,but they just don't konw what is on her mind ,and now she
is in her final year ,so she must have got a lot of preesure.i think the father do too much that he needn't do,sometimes he should relax himself,this will do better to both him and his daughter ,maybe her mother should pay more
daily attention to her.
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@kathryn01 (109)
• South Africa
9 Mar 08
Thank you. Its just that because I've got daughters myself, I know that a girl needs a mother, especially at this vulnerable age in her life. But reading all the other responses, I realize that people adapt easily and as a survival measure, tend to make the best of their situations.
@smacksman (6053)
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9 Mar 08
When I was 18 I thought my parents stupid and ignorant.
When I was 21 I was amazed how much my parents had improved and learned in three years.
OK. It's an old saying but so true and mother and teenage daughter 'wars' are not uncommon.
I just hope they stay together long enough to be able to look back on this time and smile at it.
Get involved at your peril - you may come out with a bloody nose, whatever your good intentions.
@kathryn01 (109)
• South Africa
9 Mar 08
No, I will never get involved. I don't have the right and its not my place because I really don't know the woman. I was just so sad about the whole situation and didn't know what to say to my friend. And yes, sometimes I think its not the parents who change, but the children who grows up and see things differently. Thanks for your response.
@jillhill (37354)
• United States
8 Mar 08
She might turn out to be a very good mother! My daughter in law didn't always see eye to eye with her mom. Now she has a little girl and she maybe even goes overboard with her own daughter giving her everything she never had as a child and letting her do things she didn't get to do. Her mother by the way....does not really want to babysit or anything for the little one. What to say to the father? I don't know. I do know she might be best off when she leaves home!
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@kathryn01 (109)
• South Africa
9 Mar 08
Thank you for your response. I appreciate it and just realize again that all the things that happen to us just makes us stronger and changes our perspective on life as a whole.
@qiao522 (449)
• China
9 Mar 08
My parents divorsed a few years ago,and at that time I think my mother is something like the mom in your article but now my mom changed.
My father treats very well and I love him so much maybe just like the father you mentioned.So maybe I know what the girl need right now.
it's love.
@kathryn01 (109)
• South Africa
9 Mar 08
I agree with you, and I keep on encouraging him just to love her and give her so much understanding (balanced that is!) and to listen to her. As I know him, that is just what he will do. Thank you
@chrislotz (8137)
• Canada
23 Mar 08
It is a sad thing when a girl is not getting that loving feeling from her own mother, but there is nothing you really can do. I don't think it would be a good idea for you to get involved because I think you would only make the situation worse for the daughter. But maybe she can get some advice from the school councillor. Sometimes it helps just to have someone to talk to and since the councillor is unbiased it would be best for her to talk to her.