Existance of intelligent life on earth before man.

On Earth? No. We'd have found some remains by now. However, I'll be sure to take a look at your links. I don't want to exclude any possible theories out, I like keeping an open mind. :)

Evolutionists are bound to say a big NO to your question. It's just not plausible according to an evolutionist's point of view. But defenders of alternative archeology will tell you otherwise, that there is some proof of some ancient civilization on earth, long before the ancient egyptians and sumerians. Although these views are not commonly accepted, I have found that they have some credibility and proof to back up their claims. If you want to read more about such views, one of the best sites to start would be http://www.world-mysteries.com and http://mmmgroup.altervista.org/e-menu.html. There are more links to other similar websites there.

There was a link posted on the first response made and I went there. It is very fascinating what the information on the site says. I have always believed that their was life here before man. Look at all the things that were built that I can not believe that a mortal man would be able to build. Like the pyriamiads for one thing. The other things that were listed on the site of the link. I do believe their was intelligent life here before man.

There are many intellignt life forms around...cetaceans for example... and humans are not even the only species to have used tools and so on. There are many species...like neanderthals for example...who shared these traits. So in fact YES there were intelligent species before man. However I do not think you mean that. I think you mean "advanced" civilsations? This to start with is no indicator of intelligence; since civilsation is a result of our sociablity, creativity and tool making rather than intelligence. It is merely what we have done to adapt...and it has grown in that manner. However ths is a cultural thing no an intelligence thing. take an average person from an urban environment and put him in the middle of Siberia at minus 65, 1000 km from the nearest village and I think he wouldn't prove that bright lol! But so called primitive tribes have adapted to it with intelligence. Because they are nomadic there was never a need to build cities or develop written language: incredibly knowledge is passed on through oral tradtion and is far more advanced than ours. A Bedouin can trace his horse's bloodline back to the prophet's horse for example while we don't even know our own great great grandparents; and many stars are known by various tribes that didn't appear on charts till recently. So. These people are no less intellgent; often more cultured and knowledgeable. But....while I accept that maybe neanderthal like creatures existed and had a similar lifstyle and intelligence, it doesn't ncessarily follow that they had so called civilsiations. Certainly there were velociraptors who lived in social groups and had large brain cavities and even used tools to break eggs. but being otherwise perfectly adapted to their environmnt, they would have no need to clothe themselves or build villages; though they may have had better vocal chords than other dinosaurs so may have had rudimentry language; though as we now know they were feathered more likely to compare it with bird song. But though they may have used tool and build bridges from fallen trees to cross ravines, why would they need to do more? And even these things are not indciators of intellignce. beaver are pretty damn good engineers without anyone ever suggesting they have great intelligence lol. Indeed, someone once worked out far more beavers have been killed by their own felled trees than man over a million or so years lol! So what othr Candidates? Well as I said there were maybe 100 known hominid type creatures demonstrating the same intelligence as early man. Neanderthal even survived along side us until around 30 000 years ago. But as for having civilsations no it is very doubtful. No need. in fact, culturally there was virtualy NO difference between humans and neanderthal until between 70 thousand and 40 thousand years ago. we know neandertahl had shamen which ment religion. We also know that depite the fact that man exsted for at least two million years, he didn't get religion until 70 000 years ago. first evidence of that is the python cult in india. So what makes civilistion if not intelligence? Well we have to look at the human bottleneck around 70 000 years go. Then, a castrophe reduced the population of humans to around 1000. The several other species of human like animals appear to have vanished at this point; apart from neanderthal who survived too. The Lake Toba eruption is the most likely cause though disease is another possibity. Anyway two things happened to the surviving humans shortly after. First, they developed religion with symbolism which appears to be a relatively late phenomena to humans. that was around 70 thousand years ago. secondly, the first KNOWN civilisation differed from other humans on two levels: 1. the first evidence of heirarchy; and therefore probably division of labour leading to specialised occupation 2. The first fashioned clothing ; they didn't just skin and wear; they fashioned them: allowing greater movement into cold areas, and also trade. So out of two million years of human society the only known civilations , or even complex language (implying ideas) and primitive societies, sprang up between 70 and 40 thouand years ago. However, having said all that; they have only recently found them. Because the last place they expected to find the first civilisation was Russia: http://donsmaps.com/sungaea.html So to conculde, there is no evidence of any pre human civilstion as far as estblished archeaology goes; and in fact it appears to be NOT intelligence but need to adapt to some climate change that happened 70 000 years ago that was responsible for our developmnt as complex society anyway. So far from being a major catastrophe that wiped out previous human or non human civilations, it is in fact one that was responsible for it; and not our intelligence itself. if any other climatic change had produced an animal that had to adapt to create civilsation, then they would have survived. but in fact; all other animals adpated differently. The velociraptor became the bird; the Neanderthal did out probbly because of a sexually transmitted disease caught from humans with whom we know they mated but did not produce young; or if they did they would have been sterile. So in evolutionary terms, it isn't intelligence that is responsible for civilisation ; but a series of social change including heirarchy division of labour , conceptual ideas being expressed through symbols and language, labour division and fahioning clothing. These are what makes us different no just from other intelligent animals, from other animals, but indeed, from the vast majority of humans that existed c60 000 to 2 million years before. You have to have a reason to build a complex culture and intellignce alone is not it.

Yes its true. In the video "msyterious Origins Of man- forbidden archeology" this has been proven by scientists. This falsifies the Darwin's theory of evolution too.

I recently watched a program on the history channel called 'life after humans', this prgram explores what would happen to the earth when there are no more humans left. the interesting thing is that after 500,000 years nature would have reclaimed everything and there would be nothing left of our legacy on this planet, maybe except the great wall of China. Now lets say a million years after humans have gone even that would disappear (Tsunami, earthquakes or meteor strike). If the planet is around 6 billion years old I think it is very possible that a number of civilisations lived on this planet before us. They could have been exactly like us or not, it does not matter what shape or form, they were most probably here. They could have lived for 100,000 years and attained great scientific feats, found an easy way to explore our galaxy and beyond, who knows, they could be the aliens people keep seeing, the possibilities are endless!!!

i am very interested in this proposition, i think it is one that is neglected, the argument is posed as to why there are no remains, well how can there be? let's assume a hundred million years ago a very intelligent reptile existed on the planet, at a time when reptiles dominated life. Now we know from our current theories of evolution and darwinian theory and the laws of competition inherant to them that intelligence is part of being 'fit' as in 'fittest'. So it follows for me that the evolution of intelligence is innevitable and necessary. Assuming comparable or even more intelligent life than humans did evolve, the scientists tell us that the majority of reptiles were wiped out by an asteroid, that indeed in the same circustances so too would we be wiped out, inspite of our level of technology. So the assumption is this truly intelligent species got wiped out. What do we expect to find as a legacy... buildings?, assuming they had buildings how long do you expect them to last, if the cheops pyramids are looking rough after 5000 years how will they fair after say 50,000... not very well i expect and ten times that 500,000 years (nothing on an evolutionary scale), the himalalays are still rising, they will rise and decline and be eroded to nothing over hundreds of millions of years, so what chance the statue of liberty, if we've lost the colosus of rhodes in 5,000 years. no the only remains would be skeletal, i.e. fossils and fossils are very unreliable measure of intelligence and they also don't preserve the armani suit... i like to keep an open mind, so some say where's the proof? well where's the proof that there is life out in the univiverse... but i feel confident. i would be interested in an obtuse and broad minded scientific thought process that tried to consider what (other than a fossil record) might realistically be preserved over millions of years, if you can figure that, then go look for it...we might get a surprise, the key is to pose the question and see how wide you can open your eyes... i can't think of anything but then there are greater minds than mine.

hi arjun veryinteresting theory. how ever is there any theory? proof ( how ever plausible) to support your theory? pls respond to om_mymantra@yahoo.com. thanks

In a day and a night of Brahma, God casts out of himself that energy that needs refinement (That would be us). 4 periods exist and this is true in all worlds not just this world. The first is brutal (no people or primitive people), the second is somewhat less so (iron age), the third is intellectual (mental age), the fourth is spiritual (Many find God during this period, self-relization). The subjects of the mental and spiritual ages have a very small footprint and usually leave no sign of their being here. Clearly, the subjects of the iron age leave the largest footprint (thats us). The people of the iron type ages create from what exists already (i.e., natural resources). Although the primitive age also use what is there, they just don't have the mechanical ability to do much and therefore their footprint is also small. During the more advanced ages (mental and spiritual) most functions are carried out by the mind and require little else. Food is not essential because there is no need to eat. Space travel (within this reality) is common place in the intellectual age. Astral travel (outside this reality) is commonplace in the spiritual age. The earth which is approximately 6 billion years old has probably seen several cycles in ages among the four I described. So my opinion is that very advanced people have been here in the past and will be here in the future. Many will ask why there is no record of these advanced people and I will say again they simply leave no footprint and the iron age footprint can be confused with prior iron ages. For those interested read "The Holy Science." This text can be had through SRF.