How will we live with the price of oil going up
By suspenseful
@suspenseful (40193)
Canada
March 13, 2008 12:34pm CST
My husband and I were watching BNN this morning about the price of oil going up, and he was telling me that almost everyone is to blame. I told him that we live in a cold country since I could not imagine people walking to the stores which in our district is almost a mile away in the middle of winter. He told me about people having big cars and trucks and that led me to think of my friends who have large families, and I did not want to ask him, if he should tell people to have less children or for them not have businesses where they needed a truck or van.
He thinks as soon as it starts hurting they will find a cheaper fuel, but I was wondering whether if it does get too high, and not many people will make enough to pay for the new cars, whether we will start seeing the majority of women using those shopping carts that our mothers, grandmothers and great grandmothers used to get groceries, an whether they will start bringing back those corner stores that they got rid of when they built the malls, or having more home delivery?
I can see using a shopping cart to save money in the spring, summer, and fall, but not when it is 40 below and there is snow a foot length on the ground.
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@filmbuff (2909)
• United States
17 Mar 08
I think people will adjust to the prices for the most part. They will get rid of gas guzzling vehicles if they can't afford them, in favor of more economical ones.
More likely there will be some severe public backlash that will bring down the prices, or really spur an interest in alternative cheaper fuels.
We actually have it pretty good. Most of the world has been paying much higher prices for gas than we have. Of course we use most of it...
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
9 May 08
I have a problem with that. Getting rid of gas guzzling vehicles will not do if you are exchanging one problem for another, i.e. price of wheat goes sky high and so does corn, because they are using bio fuels and why should we live in the same conditions as they do in Europe? They can bicycle to the stores everyday, but for us it takes longer to get there. If they want us to live in the same conditions, have the populations reach the same density and have the houses and apartments crowded together and bring back the marketplaces, etc. We should get alternative fuels that are not made out of food stuff and electric cars. We also have a large country, and I am talking about Canada as well as the States so we need more fuel to get around.
@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
13 Mar 08
I believe there will be a replacement energy source before it gets too bad..:)
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
16 Mar 08
My husband thinks that it will have to be really bad before that happens.
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@desertdarlene (8910)
• United States
17 Mar 08
Part of the problem is that some of the alternatives are putting pressures on other things. For example, the price of corn is high now because of Ethanol and other alternative fuels. So, everyone wants to grow corn and less wheat making wheat more expensive. We need an alternative that doesn't affect other parts of the economy so much. And, ontop of everything, we need to be more fuel efficient in all things that use energy.
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@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
17 Mar 08
Suspenseful, I hope not, I hope that the government realizes we need to be out from under the oil tycoons that are ripping us off..
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
14 Mar 08
There is no tell where this is going to our prices in gas keeps jumping like 2 cents a day I try to fill up on my pay day adn I also dont like to get under the half way mark.
I just read an add about putting something on your car that uses water along with the gas to help save money on as.
It was patented way before we had gas 207 years ago. I am just was wondering if we all did this with the way tech on card now would it do us any good and would it hurt the engines they build now.
Walking to the store win winter would have to be a nono for you but the rest of the year would be a good exerces for every one.
Might have to go to the shopping carts to get it home lots of people here do that now.
I have even had them here to a yard sale to carry the things they buy!
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
13 May 08
I heard about this patent. I hope it works. My husband also said that there was also talk about hydro fuel or something like that, but the oil companies put a stop to it. I think the only way for it to turn around is if the rich people find it hard and there will be no more airplane trips or cruises around the world or even to the Caribbeans, and when the resorts shut down because there are no more customers, but until then, we are screwed.
@slickcut (8141)
• United States
14 Mar 08
I think people will be buying those small cars that gets more miles per gallon,like Toyota's and honda's for one thing..I also feel that the ones who cannot afford to purchase one fuel will cut way back on theirI driving,....I know i have started staying closer to home these days because i do not want to pay for the gas...I cannot afford the gas hardly,its going to get to $5.00 per gallon,and then it will stay there for awhile..Also stamps will be going up in a couple of months...I have been told that groceries has went way up...I have not grocery shopped this month as yet but thats what i have been hearing...
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
16 Mar 08
Small cars are all right for people with small families but what do you do with my friends who have four or more children, and some own their own businesses? They need their vans to carry stuff, make deliveries, etc. as well as take the children to school. You cannot say to people in the Western World, stop having too many children because you drive them to school even though the weather is cold so someone in Africa or Asia who walks and uses donkeys for transportation can have more children.
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@Muliaman (18)
• Malaysia
9 May 08
This year alone everything is going up, first the fuel then the stable food. Wheat has gone up by 170% since beginning of the year, now the rice which most Asian people depend on also run into shortage, what next? What do you think we should grow little vegies for reducing the costs of living?
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@writersedge (22563)
• United States
21 Mar 08
I have wanted to walk more places lately due to the price of gas, but it's been so nasty here. Today there was two inches of water on the roads, sidewalks, etc and rain coming down on top of snow.
I can't wait until spring. My town now has a bank. That's incredible. I don't think there was ever one here before. Many businesses are springing up within walking distance that couldn't succeed before. Now if the weather would just co-operate! The bank is less than a mile from my home. I started a savings account there (only require 50 to start and 10 dollars to keep a hold on it).
Many people are having difficulty, gas and fuel oil/kerosene/natural gas/electricity/every form of energy has gone up. But no one's wages have gone up. Now they're saying the price of wheat has tripled! They say that went up in three weeks.
Lots of people are going to be starting gardens that never started them before just to be able to afford food.
Your husband may be right, but it may be that we end up going back to previous times. If we can earn extra just for a few weeks before the fall, we can fill our cellar with food. Instead of buying anything besides milk and bread from nearby stores, we may not be buying much food in winter, like may parents when I was a kid.
Very timely discussion, thanks.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
20 Apr 08
I wish my husband would let me start a garden. I guess the only way is to go to Walmart or Canada Tire, and buy some dirt, and get some containers and raise potted tomatoes and peppers.
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@writersedge (22563)
• United States
21 Apr 08
I don't know where you live, but there may be a natural or organic farmer nearby or a friend who has a compost pile. Then you could get dirt from them.
I've bought containers from the dollar store this year. I bought most of my seeds from the dollar store. But I also bought some from other places, too.
One man near where I live started out like you and now has a road side stand selling tomatoes. He has a card table full of tomatoes every year. People seem to be stopping all the time. His first year, he just grew enough for himself and his family, now he grows a ton of them.
Good luck on your tomato gardening.
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@ladym33 (10979)
• United States
14 May 08
I doubt that they will start opening the corner stores again since big stores like Walmart are putting many of the small stores out of business. I do know a couple of people who have given up their large gas guzzling vehicles. I think we all need to be more careful about how much we drive. Like doing all erands on the same day, and in the same areas. Perhaps some employers can allow employees who are able to work from home stay home a couple of times a week rather than driving to the office.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
14 May 08
We already have an economic vehicle, and we do need it because we do not have our stuff delivered. I do not want to go into those cars just designed for two people. And not everything can be done in just one day. It might need two days to get it done. And in some places, you might have to go across the city. Much of our businesses is concentrated in the West End. We can only do so much. I do like the idea of working from home but not if the employee gets a pay cut. That would defeat the purpose.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
14 May 08
We already have an economic vehicle, and we do need it because we do not have our stuff delivered. I do not want to go into those cars just designed for two people. And not everything can be done in just one day. It might need two days to get it done. And in some places, you might have to go across the city. Much of our businesses is concentrated in the West End. We can only do so much. I do like the idea of working from home but not if the employee gets a pay cut. That would defeat the purpose.
@desertdarlene (8910)
• United States
17 Mar 08
Also, we have to think about people who heat their homes with oil. I grew up in a home that ran on heating oil and it was really expensive even back then!
Now that the weather is getting better, I will be riding my bike more as long as the traffic doesn't get so bad that it's dangerous for me to do so.
I'm hoping, in the future, that more people will be working from home or near home so that they don't have to drive far to their work places.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
14 May 08
We have to use our car for most everything. I can walk to the Mall, but it is not that close and the supermarket is in the same district. We are both retired, and I do myLotting at home, but they have to start making things better. You work at home, and you do not get paid as much. And in winter, no one can ride their bicycle, or walk that much to the supermarket, so they will have to restore those corner grocery stores because not everyone can grow a garden.
@mipen2006 (5528)
• Australia
14 Mar 08
There are many reasons for the high oil price, and I have my own ideas which I will share with you.
First there is the sagging US Dollar. Oil prices are pegged to the dollar, and because of the falling dollar, OPEC countries requoire increased prices to compensate. Second, but maybe more important is the war in Iraq. This started the expolsive rise, and in my opinion will continue as long as the war goes on. Third, I believe there are people benefiting from the high prices. Those being the oil companies, oil producing countries, and also future brokers, those paying the inflated prices.
The solution is alternative duel, and that's the direction countries should be heading.
I feel sorry for poeple like you needing a lot of fuel to get through severe winters. I live where it never gets cold, so I can't really relate how expensive it is.
I hope the whole issue is resolved sooner rather than latter.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
16 Mar 08
We paid $200 last month on our gas bill. That's how bad it is in winter.
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@mipen2006 (5528)
• Australia
17 Mar 08
I feel for people that have to pay out huge amounts for a necessity. Especially when they have no control over the cost.
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@happythoughts (4109)
• United States
7 Apr 08
I think we all need to count the pennys we are dealing with. We walk where we can. My sons school is about a mile and a half away and as soon as it is warm enough we will be walking every day to save few cents here and there.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
9 May 08
I live on the Prairies and I am almost a mile from the stores. My husband had a stroke and it costs a bit for delivery. I cannot see lugging things in a grocery cart home nor having the milk and butter delivered if it is going to cost more. There are no stores without walking distance, that is for someone who cannot walk that fast, so we use the car for most everything. It is all right when it is warm, but come winter, then we will have a problem.
@callarse1 (4783)
• United States
17 Mar 08
Hello, well I would hope that we can find a better way to power our stuff like water, hydrogen, or another fuel? It just seems silly to ruin the environment because we're too lazy and don't want to give up the oil industry. :(
Pablo
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
9 May 08
It is not that we are lazy. That is the assumption that everyone makes, and it makes it seem all right for those who want to raise oil prices to justify doing so. After all, if the people are lazy, then what better way to punish them than to raise the prices and make sure that there are no alternatives necessary. Once we get out of that paragram then we can work for better alternatives.
I would say getting out of the biofuel fiasco and find a way to make fuel out of non food items would be feasible. We should also make hydro fuels and electric fuels for cars and vans for regular families and not just for the two couple or single driver.
@Modestah (11179)
• United States
14 May 08
I have thought a lot about this lately myself. I would do it if we were only a mile from town - but we are several more than that - and we live alongside a major highway - with barely a shoulder on the sides and semi drivers that drive rather carelessly, it would be too risky with the way the conditions are currently. If they put that transcontinental highway thing in it might be more doable.
When I was younger I could do the mile in the 40 below, but I do not think so anymore.
I guess I would be canning a lot of fruits and veggies and meats and such during the warmer months in preparation for the colder... that way maybe you won't have to go to town so very often. Also combining trips to town with neighbors trips and split the gas cost.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
14 May 08
I feel sorry for those who live in the country and which it takes a while to drive to town. I suppose people will have to live as they did in the great depression, but I would hate to see those flour sack dresses, and this is not something that God caused, this fiasco was caused by the act of man pretending to be God or as I call it, candidating for God, the blame of humans on 'global warming' and the need to punish those who use the most oil and gas, us. If they had said God or nature caused global warming, there would be no push for all these high prices. And why do not they find an alternative that does not take away the food supplies? Because according to them, we are to blame and we should be punished. That makes me angry.
@chrysz (1602)
• Philippines
9 May 08
Hi! I live here in the Philippines and I don't have my own car so basically, the price of commodities rising up is what bugging me most right now. Good thing, we have a grocery store near our neighborhood so I could just walk to and from our house in buying our needs. We are only using electric fans so but still, our electric bill is high. I am also glad that I have only two daughters but I was hoping now that I should have had my younges two or three years ago when milk and diapers are not as high as now. But then again, whereever we are, all we can do now is be thrifty and wise. Good luck to all of us.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
9 May 08
We have really cold winters here in Manitoba, Canada and our nearest store is less than a mile away. We do not have a garden except for growing raspberries and strawberries and cannot live on that all the time. Much of the alternative fuel is made from corn and so not only do we get high gas prices, but high food prices as well. It will be that being frugal may not be enough.
There will be some who will not be able to survive and I am not talking about people in Asia and Africa, but in North America as well.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
14 May 08
I do not think you understood the discussion. It was the effect the oil prices and conversion of corn to ethanol is having on our way of life. It concerns not only the rich, or those who have big cars, but ordinary people. You take wheat out of production in favor of corn for ethanol, you raise the price and this is for a necessity. So how far does it lead if there is no alternatives?
@woodside (23)
• United States
14 May 08
Hmmmmmmmmm.....seems like your hubby has had it. But i agree with a previous poster that when things get bad enough great minds and thoughs flourish. So we actually are on the verge of a breakthrough. Just think is someone came out with a fuel additive that would stretch fuel to 5x the gallon of what it is. High gas price problem=over
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
10 Jun 08
I heard about this adding water or hydrogen on the web, but do not know if it is good enough. We have always had high gas prices in Canada because they keep adding taxes on them, but what would happen if most of the cost is the oil itself. So will it be that we will be paying $6 or even $10 a gallon up here? Our cities and towns have quite a distance between them, and even when we travel east to Ontario there is this large stretch of road and parks between. So a fuel additive would help us a lot. Or a hybrid car with an extra long cord.
@KrauseHome (36448)
• United States
16 Mar 08
Well, for a lot of people, it would also depend on how close you live to a store, and what time you want to do your shopping, etc. Since I live in the Seattle Metropolitan area, you have either a choice of your own Car, a Cab, or the local buses to get you to and from a store. The problem is if you choose some of the other ways, you have to purchase a smaller amount in order to get home. So for now, people have no choice, and I am sure they will always have to do it this way. It is just a shame when the President and those running for President right now, seem to be only focusing on the Iraq War and not the Economy, jobs, or Gas prices. What will it take to end this? Good question. Maybe we will never know.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
14 May 08
Oh you can blame the advocates on saying that humans and especially those in the United States, Canada, and Europe are to blame for Global Warming. While they could blame the forces of nature and God on global warming, there was no incentive to do anything, but once we become the villains, then lets punish the people by having carbon tax, discourage them from having children because it affects the carbon footprint, raise the price of oil and stop opening up oil fields, because we westerners should be punished and convert much of their food supply into ethanol. That is how we got that way. Oh you can blame Al Gore.
@Thoroughrob (11742)
• United States
15 Mar 08
If the price keeps going up, it is really going to affect us all. If it keeps going up, people will not be able to afford the new cars, that affects the factories. My husband is already paying $55 a week to go to work. People are going to quit and let their houses go, move in with relatives, let their other bills go, and get some low paying job close to home, if they can find one. We are going to be living with more than 1 family in a home. I can see it coming closer to this more and more. Look at all the houses being repossessed. The banks are taking a beating. It is really getting scary. I already have to limit my son's therapy, as we have to drive 80 miles just to go. His doctors are 2 hours away because no one around here will see him. We have to have an adapted van, as he is in a wheelchair. It gets terrible gas mileage and costs over $100 to fill up. When is it going to get better?
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
13 May 08
The only way for it to get better is to scream for the oil fields in Alaska to be opened, scream for the farmers to stop planting corn for ethanol and find another way to invent fuel. When people start dying of starvation, then they will finally realize what was done. And if you have a son who is handicapped in one way or another, you will be the one to suffer.
@zeloguy (4911)
• United States
14 Mar 08
I am still a BIG believer in supply/demand. If we demand less oil/gas/heating oil/etc... then the price has to come down or at least stay steady.
The way I describe it...
Let's say you have a store and you are selling a shirt
100 shirts...
you start selling the shirt at $10 and you sell out ($1000)
you get the next shipment in and raise it to $20 and you sell out ($2000 100% increase)
you get the next shipment in and you raise the price to $50 and you sell out ($5000 500% increase)
you get the next shipment in and you raise the price to $75 and sell 90% ($6750)
you get the next shipment and you raise the price to $100 and you sell 75% ($7500)
you are selling less... have more in reserve (because you didn't sell it all) and you are still making MORE money. This can keep going until there is a breaking point where the price and the amount sold are at their maximum.
In other words... we have already accepted $2/gallon $3/gallon $4/gallon... no change in the amount of oil we are using. We just complain about it. If we used less oil to the point that companies are starting to lose money the price of gasoline and oil will be forced to come down but in the mean time it makes solid business sense to keep raising the price until there is a stop.
Now there are those that argue that 'I need to get to work' 'I need to get to the store' etc...
TRUE. But... what instead of making two or three trips to the store/day everything was consolidated. Go to work in the morning... stop by the store on the way home... do your errands (post office/gym/etc...) while you are still out... and do it all in one trip.
On days off don't go anywhere unless you have to. If you ARE going somewhere make it for more than one reason.
I try to do at least (AT LEAST) two to three things whenever I go out. I will go to the gym and then stop to get groceries. The store is next to the gym so I don't need to make two trips. If I get groceries twice a week and the gym is 9 miles away that is 18 miles that I am saving every week... or a gallon of gasoline. If I then stop at the library (4 miles) and the post office (5 miles) I am cutting another 9 miles off my running around. If I stop there every day 5 days a week that is 35 miles I am cutting off or almost 2 gallons of gasoline.
So now I have saved three gallons of gas in one week. At $3.50/gallon that has saved me $10.50/week or $42/month and have used a LOT less fuel.
Another thing I will do is literally go out of my way to get 'cheaper' gasoline. Why? It's not cost effective to me and actually costs me time.... If there are two gas stations and one is cheaper than the other by say 3¢/gallon and EVERYONE goes to the cheaper one that forces the station that is more expensive to raise their prices for fear of not receiving any business. This has to be a group effort.
The mentality of 'oh it's only 3¢/gallon... I'll just get the more expensive gas 'cause it's only 42¢ more to fill up has to be erradicated from our brains.
We HAVE the oil. Yes, we do. We have larger reserves today than ever before. We are not going to run out of oil... that is a lingering fear the government puts over our heads. We are very diversified with where we get all our oil. Which means if we can't get it in one place we can get it in another.
That doesn't even get into using cars that are more fuel efficient/renewable sources of energy/etc....
Just one note on that... the country with the greatest POTENTIAL for renewable energy... the US. Do we use it... that is a redundant question, eh/?
Thanks
Zelo
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
13 May 08
We do have the oil and the gas. It is just that certain people decided that we cannot use it, because they consider plants and animals more than people. Now as for cutting down, it all depends on whether you can. We live in Manitoba, it takes a while to drive to the grocery store and even though I can walk there, it is almost a mile away and I can only bring certain things home, that is canned and packaged goods and some produce. Forget about frozen goods, milk, eggs and yogurt. As for winter, trying walking when it is 40 below, and as for delivery, that costs money as wel. So they not only have to lower gas prices but to make sure that residential areas are also zoned for commercial, and that means grocery stores. It used to be that you could walk to work, but not anymore. Now you have to take the bus or drive the car.
@lightningMD (5931)
• United States
14 Mar 08
Gas prices are killing our budget. My husband took a lesser paying job that is only 5 miles from home. With the gas savings we are about even now in spendable income. We have struggled all winter to pay the heat bills and stay warm. The price of groceries has climbed considerly also,since it costs the trucking firms so much more to deliver goods.We are going to plant a garden to help on grocery prices. We also do all our errands in one weekly trip. We walk to the library,post office and local grocery store.Hopefully something will happen soon to help out families instead of big business.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
13 May 08
We have always had to shop weekly, because in Canada the gas prices have always been high, but we never had it with the combination of high food prices. When we go shopping, we buy the same things week after week because we cannot afford to try anything new. It is very boring. There are some healthier alternatives I cannot afford and my husband does not want me to plant a garden. So what do I do?
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
14 Mar 08
It is getting pretty tight for a lot of people. In other countries they pay so much more than we do that it makes you wonder how they survive. As far as people wasting...they do. I can understand the people with large families and the people that absolutely need trucks.
Then you have the rednecks who just have to have the big trucks to just drive around and go bogging with. Then there are the kids who just drive around to drive around. There are so many people with big gas hogs that really don't need them. There are people who will take 20 trips to the store a day to get one or two items rather than plan their trips and do it all in one. Then there are those that are not even feeling the pinch because they have so much money. They travel all over the place because they can. The ones that are really hurting out of these prices have been cutting back for a long time and in areas other than just gas.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
13 May 08
We have always been careful with our money, taking the car when we needed to, and not extras. Now my husband has retired, he does not need to take the car to work and it is one of those economical ones. He needed the car because it is cold in winter and it is too far to walk and the bus does not run that often. But we are not going to sit at home and just go out grocery shopping once a week. We have cut down from six days to three days. But really they should make more hybrid or electric cars or invent a new fuel source that is good and cheap.
@longsperes (64)
• China
14 Mar 08
High oil price influnced human too much , I think it's time for all the developed coutries to do something make the oil price down , or economic crisis is probably
overpassing all over the world in few years.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
13 May 08
The only way to do this is to develop an alternative that will not depreciate the food supply or take more food out of production. So far ethanol has resulted in high grain prices. As for hydro - we drink water, so what do we do go thirsty. Hydro power is all right in places where there is an excessive water supply, but remember we still have oil, it is just that the Arabian countries are keeping a lot of it, and in America and Canada, environmentalists are preventing oil fields from being opened up. With the Arabian nations holding the West hostage and the protectors of nature forbidding oil fields to be open in Alaska and other places., the oil prices will remain high.