Pro Choice Mothers...

@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
March 14, 2008 5:37am CST
Which of your children would you have aborted if your situation were different? Do they know that?
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@patgalca (18399)
• Orangeville, Ontario
14 Mar 08
I spent the whole six years of my first marriage trying to get pregnant. Never happened. Definitely for the better though I didn't feel that way at the time. We even went through fertility treatment. Six months after my husband left I found myself pregnant... and alone. I was 29 years old, had a good enough job that I thought I could handle raising my daughter on my own. I have to tell you, I would give anything to go back to those first two years I had alone with her. It was frustrating at times and some times I lost it, but I wouldn't change it for anything. I would go back and enjoy our time together more, though I think we did spend a lot of time together because it was just us. My daughter does not know the situation surrounding her birth as I got together with my current husband before I got pregnant but we broke up. We ended out back together again and he adopted her. She knows nothing about what I went through and maybe some day I will tell her. But right now she thinks her Dad is her Dad and that's the way we want it to be. I could never abort a child. I also had a miscarriage in between my two girls (again, unmarried but at least with BF) and I was devestated. I could never end the life of a baby. It is not their fault they were created. God plays a strong hand in the way things turn out. Everything happens for a reason. I couldn't imagine my life without my almost 15 year old daughter.
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@patgalca (18399)
• Orangeville, Ontario
14 Mar 08
I don't know about that. I was reckless after my first husband left. I shouldn't have done what I did and I accepted the consequences of my actions. As Dr. Phil says, you choose the behaviour you choose the consequences.
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@patgalca (18399)
• Orangeville, Ontario
14 Mar 08
Thanks, Myrrdin. In fact, bio-dad did suggest an abortion and ruled that out right away. So I was on my own.
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@Myrrdin (3599)
• Canada
14 Mar 08
Ted, I doubt you'd find a single "Pro-Choice" supporter who would advise anyone to have an abortion. The only person capable of deciding to have an abortion in Patgalca's case was Patglca. That is the whole point of Pro-Choice. Its not to encourage abortion but rather to ensure that no one else forces decisions upon them.
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@pumpkinjam (8787)
• United Kingdom
14 Mar 08
I wouldn't have aborted either of my children. They were both unplanned but there was never any question about it. To me, once they're there, they're there. I think the only time I would even consider an abortion would be in a case of serious health risks but even then I don't think I could do it. I personally don't think abortion is a good thing although I can understand why some people do it. For example, your first response from Raven, although I don't think I would have done the same thing, I can understand why she did. My kids know that they were "accidents" but they also know they are loved unconditionally. They are too young to really understand about this sort of thing but once they are old enough, if they ask I will make sure they know that there was never any doubt that I would have them once I knew they were there.
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• United Kingdom
14 Mar 08
I'm sorry Ted, I have to go with Myrrdin on this. I am not pro-choice. I am pro-life with certain possible exceptions although I would never be one of those protestors telling other people they can't have an abortion. I don't think pro-choice people in general are trying to say what you said. I understand that they believe they are supporting the mother's choice no matter what. That choice is not always down to convenience and planning, etc.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
14 Mar 08
"unconditionally" is the key word here. Pro Choice tells us to love our kids on the condition that they were convenient, planned and wanted.
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@Myrrdin (3599)
• Canada
14 Mar 08
So tell me where are you getting the information that any pro choice group advocates the abortion of every unplanned child? Please feel free to cite your source on this one Ted, otherwise what you are doing is spreading false information to justify your own agenda. Quite dishonest of you.
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@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
14 Mar 08
I already have aborted one of my kids...but leaving that aside, to answer your question is next to impossible really I mean what would the "situation" be for starters...
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
14 Mar 08
Do your other kids know that they were just a "choice" away from never knowing or loving you? You tell me, what "situation" would lead you to have aborted the kids you love?
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@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
14 Mar 08
"Do your other kids know that they were just a "choice" away from never knowing or loving you?" Yes..they know about my abortion and theyve asked me if I would have aborted them if I needed to and yes if the situation would have called for it I would have and they know it..Reality is though, its neither here nor there, they are here, they know I love them unconditionally with all my heart and thats all that matters.. "You tell me, what "situation" would lead you to have aborted the kids you love?" Well if I needed to abort them the reality is I wouldnt even know them so there is no love developed yet...the situation that caused me to abort my 4th child was having to bury my 3rd child..if I had been in the same situation wiht one of my other kids then yes I would abort...that time in our lives was pure horror....did I love the child I aborted? No..I never had a chance to at that point...for me that doesnt come until well into the 2nd trimester
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
14 Mar 08
Thank you for your honest and open answers. I do appreciate it.
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• United States
15 Mar 08
My mother is pro-choice and I know if "I" would have been conceived at a different time or a more dire situation, she would have gotten an abortion. As a matter of fact, she was one of those "you never really know until it happens" type women. She never wanted kids, always said she'd abort if she ever got pregnant, but when she did get pregnant when she was 33, she decided to keep it. And she denies it, but I think another part of the equation was that she didn't find out until she was about 3 months along, past the abortion time frame when she found out.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
15 Mar 08
So, it could be that the only reason your mother didn't kill you was, timing? Talk about dodging the bullet. (so to speak). Thank you for telling your story, I do appreciate it.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
17 Mar 08
The problem is, there is no biological backing to the myth that a fetus isn't a human being. A fetus has unique DNA consistent with that of Human Beings (which means it can't be anything but a human being), and a metabolism (which means it is alive). So, while killing you would have been perfectly legal, it would still be killing you.
• United States
17 Mar 08
Even if my mother had gotten an abortion, she wouldn't have "killed me", she would have "killed"(as you say) potential me. At conception, I wasn't myself, I was a fetus. Non-sentient, unaware, not a person. A potential. No fetus has the "right to live", women have the right to choose their reproductive actions. I didn't "dodge" anything. I had no say in the matter. She wanted me, she had me. If she didn't, she wouldn't have. What's the problem?
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@Myrrdin (3599)
• Canada
14 Mar 08
Wow what a way to ask why someone supports abortion or not. The question is unfair and really unanswerable since if their children are alive their situation was not such that an abortion was something they felt they needed to do. Abortion is not something that should be taken lightly, pro choice or not, it is a very serious and frightening thing, however it doesn't diminish the fact that there are many situations where an abortion is preferable to carrying the child to term. In the end I think any parent would abort any child if their situation were dire enough.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
14 Mar 08
What is unfair about it? I'm simply asking mothers who have aborted kids they never knew, if they would have aborted the kids they know and love, if the circumstances "warrented" it. The fact is, if they would kill one of their kids, they would kill them all. If they would have an abortion because of financial reasons, then they would kill for money... because they already did.
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@Myrrdin (3599)
• Canada
14 Mar 08
Its unfair because you are asking someone to make assumptions about situations they know nothing about. Only someone in that situation can know. And you know its not just about finances. There are a lot of situations in which bringing a child into this world is not the best idea not to mention there are times when it is medically not advisable for a woman to deliver a child.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
14 Mar 08
Yes, I know, there are many reasons why someone would choose to kill their fetus. Finances are just one, and you are right, there are medical situations where it is necessary. The fact that some women choose to do it though, doesn't make it unfair to ask them if they would have killed their children they do know and love, if circumstance "warranted" it.
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• United States
14 Mar 08
I could not tell you an answer because my situation was not diffrent there for i do not think about what it would b e like had i aborted my child, or does she know... shes only 3 of course she doesnt know. i dont beleive in abortion,unless the child would be born with painful skin disease or anything else that would put him /her through pain.. i wouldnt abort..
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
14 Mar 08
I'm confused here. You wouldn't have an abortion? Or you wouldn't have an abortion unless the child was going to be born with a painful disease?
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@mememama (3076)
• United States
26 Mar 08
None. I am only prochoice because I don't believe a woman should be forced to carry a baby as a result of rape or incest, and I don't believe I have the right to tell any woman she has to carry a baby. But for me, I could never have an abortion, I have had one miscarriage and that was horrible, I wouldn't end a life on purpose.
@eden32 (3973)
• United States
15 Mar 08
It's a pretty jerky question. An early pregnancy isn't a child, and a child isn't an early pregnancy. If you eat some sunflower seeds, do you say that you just snacked on a flower? I've had two miscarriages, to suggest that losing those pregnancies are anything like what losing a child would be like is absurd. Every child should have the security and love that would come from being born out of a choice to do so.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
16 Mar 08
Your sunflower seed has the DNA of a sunflower seed, not a sunflower. A human fetus has the DNA of a human being. It must be nice, Ms. Braum, to sit in judgement of who is human and who isn't.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
17 Mar 08
Yes, it was a reference to Eva. She had no problem with Adolf killing people that weren't considered "really human" either. As I pointed out before (and you chose to ignore). A sunflower seed has the DNA of a sunflower seed, not of a sunflower. The human fetus doesn't have the DNA of the mother, it has it's own unique DNA. You're right, an unfirtilized egg isn't a chicken. It has the DNA of the hen. However, a firtilized egg contains the fetus of a chicken. Not a potential chicken. Eggs and sperm are part of the organism that produced them because the DNA in them identifies them as such. However, every organism has unique DNA and a metabolism. A human fetus has both, so it cannot biologically be "the mother's". It's ironic. Metabolism and DNA define life and species in every sitution... so why do we make human fetuses the one exception to that rule? Because if you don't, you can't justify killing it for convenience. It's nothing but bigotry.
@eden32 (3973)
• United States
16 Mar 08
Ms. Braum? Is that a reference to Eva? If it is the last name was Braun- if it wasn't, I have no idea what you're talking about. A sunflower seed is a potential sunflower. A fertilized chicken egg, is a potential chicken or a potential omelet. A zygote, embryo or fetus depending on stage of pregnancy is a potential life at best.
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• United States
15 Mar 08
I can not imagine aborting any of my children, they are all blessings, even my adopted brood. That is what I tell them, I was stuck with what God me me with my 2 natural born, but they are special cause I chose them. To me abortion is murder, no matter if you are raped, if your health is in danger etc. If we Christians practice what we say we believe in, then we should have the faith that God can handle all situations. That's my 2 cent.
• United States
15 Mar 08
No and I should have made myself clearer on that, that would not be a viable pregnancy in any circumstance.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
16 Mar 08
Exactly. Abortion should be a strictly medical decision, not for social, political reasons and absolutely not for "convenience". I can't say that abortion is murder though. Murder is a legal term, so as long as abortion is still legal, it can't be "murder". Much like killing a slaves wasn't murder as long as slavery was legal.
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• United States
23 Mar 08
Parasite? I hope this was not what your Mother thought of you when she chose to give you life. I don't try and tell anyone what to do, as you say your body, your life, your "Parasite". I feel sorry for you.
@sid556 (30959)
• United States
15 Mar 08
I became pregnant on birth control twice in very compromising times. I gave it much thought and both times opted to make the best of it. Looking at my beautiful girls now, I am so so very glad for the choice I made. That being said, I am glad that I had the choice. I can't imagine being forced to raise a child when your heart is not in it.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
15 Mar 08
I commend you for making that choice too. However, you seem to be under the impression that the only choices are, kill it, or raise the child. Doesn't adoption even come up as "choice"?
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
17 Mar 08
Thanks for clarifying.
@sid556 (30959)
• United States
16 Mar 08
Yes, adoption definitely does and in my mind it does. I just spaced it and neglected to mention that on here. It is actually a very good option.
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• United States
18 Mar 08
I would never do it I do not care about my situation. EVERYONE deseves a chance at life and if I could not properly care for my child i know that there is someone else out there who would love them just as much. And yes my children do and will know that.
@keyers (159)
• United States
28 Mar 08
I would never have an abortion but it is still legal so you got the choice I just wish women would be more responsible with their bodies and maybe we can bring the abortion rate down.
18 Mar 08
I wouldnt have abortedany of my children, they were both planned pregnancies and I love them equally. I would have loved them just hte same if they were severly disabled too. I am not against abortion but I dont understand how you can ask such as question, which caring mother would say oh I would have aborted my son / daughter because..... its just not right. You chose to have the child and therfor no matter how they turn out or what they do it not the point. You chose not to abort so you shouldnt even think about it after they are here as far as IM concerned.
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• United States
30 Mar 08
Honestly, I quite appalled at the very concept that one can actually wish a person be aborted if things went wrong, or came far from how we expect them to become. Sorry, but babies at the beginning of their conception are already persons like us. That's not just the way we should believe it; it's just the way it is. They are no less than us who made it to the world. But your question is a speculative one. It just hit me to learn that instead of trying to work things out with persons whom we find hard to love, we would wish them aborted instead. That's just not a good step to start dealing to them with. How about trying to figure ways to work things out? How about trying to seek help? Or how about offering love when it's seems hopeless. For when everything else fail, try love. It might work. Rather than wishing them ill, even if it is just to entertain thoughts. Just thinking out aloud.