What a Silly argument Indeed !!
By Gordano
@Gordano (795)
United States
March 14, 2008 7:10pm CST
Upon discussing The alleged Deity Of Jesus Christ PBUH some Christian Scholars Used to use These Sentences
(a)"EITHER JESUS IS GOD OR A LIAR"
(b)"EITHER JESUS IS GOD OR A LUNATIC"
(c)"EITHER JESUS IS GOD OR AN IMPOSTER"
I don't know who was The First brainsick one who used this trifle as an argument, and I say it is trifle and Nothing But Nonsense Because :
(a)The word God is NOT the opposite Of the word LIAR
(b)The word God is NOT the opposite Of the word LUNATIC
(c)The word God is NOT the opposite Of the word IMPOSTER
I think This Nonsense is used for terrorizing People To accept The alleged Deity Of Jesus Christ PBUH, Because as long as we will not accept LIAR nor LUNATIC nor IMPOSTER We Have to accept Jesus as a God.
In the Other Hand There is another Choice Not Listed in This argument, It is what we -Muslims- think that Jesus Christ is an honored Prophet.
What do you think ?
3 responses
@anotherbirthday (810)
• Malaysia
15 Mar 08
"My dear, until that moment in history, Jesus was viewed by His followers as a mortal prophet... a great and powerful man, but a man nevertheless. A mortal."
-The Da Vinci Code
@anotherbirthday (810)
• Malaysia
15 Mar 08
Indeed, there's Monotheistic Christian in the history and the current Bible is the result of the Council of Nicaea.
@headhunter525 (3548)
• India
15 Mar 08
The argument was first popularised by C S Lewis, an oxford professor. He was not a brainsick, he was a very brilliant thinker. You can read his books if you want to know his intelligence. The argument is put in a little different way though! And if you could become an oxford professor like him you have tiny amount of fairness to say he was a brainsick, but if you cannot people will say that you are rather the one... Oxford do not take a brainsick as their professor. Do they?
@headhunter525 (3548)
• India
15 Mar 08
Well, that is better. Now I can proceed to reply to the post. The argument was that Jesus claimed equality with God. And since Jesus claimed equality with God, therefore, he was who he claimed to be or he was a liar or lunatic.
Suppose a prophet who claimed equality with God would really be a liar if he is not equal with God, and so he can't be a prophet. Does a prophet tell lie? Or it could be that the 'prophet' is lunatic and he does not know what he claimed himself to be... But we can say Jesus was not lunatic.
The option then is that the prophet is more than a prophet. He is equal with God himself.
So CS Lewis' argument is that a man who made claims like Jesus made cannot just be a mere prophet. He is who he claimed to be or he is a liar or a lunatic. There is no space to say he was a good prophet. That option is not there, and Jesus did not intend to make that option open.
@Gordano (795)
• United States
16 Mar 08
Jesus Christ PBUH Never Claimed any equality to the God, But Rather He used to use FIGURATIVE language Upon talking to People, When Jesus Christ said John 10:30 ( KJV) I and my Father are one. He was Talking using FIGURATIVE language Too, Look at the all context and You will understand it,
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
and when Somone think That Jesus was sent to "SHEEPS", Then he Believe that Jesus Is equal to God.
If Jesus, The Father & Holy spirit Are Equal, Why is it Only Sinning against The Holy spirit that you Doomed.?
Matthew 12:30 KJV He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
and Mark 3:28 (KJV) Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
29But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
As You see There is no equality Dear, Is There ?
Christians assert that Jesus claimed to be God when they quote him in John 14:9: "He that has seen me has seen the Father". Didn’t Jesus clearly say that people have never seen God, as it says in John 5:37: "And the father himself which Has sent me, has borne witness of me. You have NEITHER HEARD HIS VOICE AT ANY TIME NOR SEEN HIS SHAPE"?
and Matthew 4:8 (KJV) Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Did The devil give This Special Offer to a the GOD ?
It will appreciated it If You spend Some time to enlighten me.
@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
15 Mar 08
"Because as long as we will not accept LIAR nor LUNATIC nor IMPOSTER We Have to accept Jesus as a God"
We do? Hhmm what rule book is that in by chance cause its not in the copy I have....I donthave to believe or accept "liar", "lunatic", "imposter" NOR "jesus" in any way shape or form