Hard fact: America brought 9/11 on itself

Zambia
March 22, 2008 5:09am CST
In as much as the atrocity was very shocking and costly in terms of human and material resources, I think it is a very HARD FACT that needs to be accepted that the US brought upon itself that gruesome episode. I sympathise with the Americans, especially the general public. However, I don't think it is fare to demonise someone who will point out hard facts. It is high time people took responsibility for actions that result inthe consequences suffered by the masses. The attack of 9/11 did not spring out from nowhere; this was a well-planned activity that was instigated by the operations by the US leadership. Look at Iraq. Look at Somalia, Darfur in Sudan, Korea. All these problems have roots. Look at the Palestinian problem. If it wasn't for Hitler's Holocaust - and eventually the League of Nations/United Nations - we would not have a problem in the Middle East. The chickens surely do come home to roost!
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
22 Mar 08
The Mideast has been fighting amongst itself for thousands of years... long before the US and Hitler, and long before the UN. The terrorists attacks of 9-11 occurred simply because they thought they could get away with it. They were mistaken. The Islamic terrorists consider anyone who is not Muslim to be fair game, that is why you hear people like that nutjob president of Iran... and also bin Laden.... say stupid things like convert or be destroyed. When the Islam Extremists have their goal as the entire world under Muslim rule, then that puts the lie to your ill-advised contention. When you consider that Western bases and interests from many different Western countries have been subjected to at least hundreds of terrorist attacks over the last fifty years or so simply because we don't follow Islam... it is not a matter of something that we were the cause of. I do intend to see that we are the finish of it however, regardless of how long it takes.
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• Zambia
23 Mar 08
I like one thing in your treatise: extremists. I think it would be unfair to categorically insinuate that Muslims are terrorists or they wanna convert you by force.
• Zambia
24 Mar 08
I am laughing at you too, because a small clique is messing you up and you are not aware.
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• United States
24 Mar 08
You have nothing to laugh about.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
22 Mar 08
Actually this dicussion should be titled Hard Lies: America did not bring 9/11 on itself. Let me explain do women bring on rape by dressing a certain way. Look you and the people the believe that kind of cr*p like that, do not get demonized because they speach cold hard fact. The reason you and the people the believe that cr*p is because you turn victims into the problem, and problem into victims. I loved how you brought the Jews into this discussion. I do find it funny that the this group is alway the problem just like USA is the problem. I know that you did not call them by name but what else could you be talking about. If the League/UN had not give the Jew land in "Palestinian" the whole Middle East would be just one happy place. Now you say that 9/11 where brought on by the results of America itself, how so. Come on you wrote the discussion, you say that you have hard fact, but all I see is basless attackes on this country. Nowhere in your discussion did explain why America deserved the attack on 9/11, or how America could prevent another attack that was brought on to herself. Also why you are on that explain why woman deserve to be raped, because I am sure you believe that they brought it on themselves.
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@rinaaus (1201)
• Australia
23 Mar 08
I like your words, and I totally agree with you that make me nothing more to say about this. You have seen through the whole picture, the basic things of the problem, not the one that media or some people draw for everyone to see. I enjoyed reading your response very much. If I post this discussion I will choose you are the best response.
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• Zambia
23 Mar 08
Nice words, indeed. I like your point; I think you do have some point somewhere. But I guess you will agree that sometimes things happen to us because we make ourselves vulnerable. Not only that, what do you expect when you can't control the same monster that you created in the first place, to sort of attack or maim your opponents?! And when the opponents are gone, and you cannot control your robot any more, it will eat you up, unless you rep=-programme it to suit the new environment; and it also has to be content with the new situation.
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@onesiobhan (1327)
• Canada
23 Mar 08
There is a military intelligence term called "blowback". It refers to a situation where events that have been manipulated blow up and result in repercussions to the USA. For example, where the US interfered in the elected government of Guatemala in the 50's, resulting in Nixon's cavalcade being stormed by rioters when he visited South America a few years later. The government is very careful to keep American citizens ignorant of what's going on in other countries and how the US actions affect those countries. That way when American's are bombed or attacked due to "blowback" everybody can pretend it just came out of the blue and there is no reason for it.
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
22 Mar 08
Wright was not the first person to suggest that America's actions in other countries contributed to the attack on 9-11. No one with a functioning brain would honestly believe a group of people just attacks because "they're jealous of our freedom". That's a lie perpetrated by ignoramuses who want to believe America can do no wrong. Evil begets evil, and while America might not be a particularly "evil" country, we can't boast about being a perfect country. We've done our fair share of bad things. Meddling in middle eastern affairs would have had to definitely ruffled a few feathers. While I don't believe the bombing of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, or the wrongs committed in other parts of the world really contribute much to what happened on that September day, I understand where Wright was going with his speech. Karma - you gotta love it.
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• Zambia
24 Mar 08
O yeah, I agree onour point that "evil begets evil" and that's what the majority of Americans overlook. The problem witht he Americans is that they do not have a say in the running of their own country. What is freedom if you cannot decide your own destiny. The country is run by a few, a clique of what I would term as psychofants who will not take responsibility. Right now every American will cry about 9/11. In unison they will call Hitler all sorts of names, but talk to the majority of Germans. If it weren't for the so-called Holocaust laws, most of them would come out in the open in support of Hitler's nationalist approach. That is not to say I favour him. However, how many Americans ever condemn and regret Hiroshima and Nagasaki. That, to me, was the worst Holocaust! Americans, by the way, killed more people (civilians) in the pursuit of unseating Saddam than were killed at 9/11! These are hard facts. Naivity will not help.
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• United States
22 Mar 08
Have you been listening to Rev. Dr. Wright? lol And just how do you think America brought 9/11 on itself? Or do you know why you say that? I was born in the US and have lived here all my life, so I feel pretty confident in saying that America did NOT bring 9/11 on itself. Sure, with 8 years of Bush in office, we have not had any great relations with most of the world's countries. I blame him and his office for that; he doesn't have a clue about foreign policy. Hopefully, our next President will. Your own country isn't in such good shape, is it? I just read that 68% of Zambians live below the poverty level. HIV/AIDS is rampant in your country - nearly 1 million Zambians have HIV or AIDS; over a half-million Zambian children are orphaned; and life expectancy at birth is just 40 years. Tell me, did your country bring these things on itself? Just wondered about your thoughts on that.
• Zambia
23 Mar 08
To a greater extent yes. It is probably a chain reaction going back to the colonisers. When they couldn't rule any more, and when they were overwhelmingly "overpowered" by calls for independence, they left the country with no governance capacity. The Africans that took over did very poor planning. In short, Zambia's situation at the moment is partially due to poor economic decisions by those entrusted to run the country. out of poverty, many things come out. Malnutrition, disease, pandemics, civil strife, name them.
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• United States
22 Mar 08
Let me get this right. Some Idiot from Germany back in about the 1930's-1950's is partly to blame for innocent americans dying in 2001????? How the hell did you come up with that one? Do your research first. The people who attacked were not Jewish or trying to attack Jewish people. They were angry because american are free and they are not.The attacks of 9/11 were horrid and left many innocent children orphaned, men and women widowed and terror across an entire nation. How would you like those angry extremists to come and attack your country? I bet you would be singing a different tune. Innocent people never deserve to die like that. These extremist believe that by killing innocent people just for the simple fact that they live in america or are american they will be pleasing Allah or doing some kind of good. I think Muslim people are just fine and great...just like christians, buddhists and all the other religions. As a whole muslim people are generally good. Its the extremist who go crazy and blow up babies that are bad. How would you like to see a toddler with a bomb strapped to him come at you? Thats one thing american soldiers are having to deal with. America is not always right...nor is any country. Do you think you're family/country deserves to be bombed by people that have been angered by your country? Think before you speak and get your facts straight. You started a very hot discussion and thats good. But i strongly disagree with you and am very offeneded by your assumptions and "hard facts".
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• Zambia
23 Mar 08
Jezzikabret, I am sorry to hear that you are offended. That was not my intention. My aim is to raise opinion and perhaps get facts for all and sundry. i am sure your points would be best appreciated if they are not prejudiced or invoked by emotion. Come to think of it: why didn't they relocate the Jews in their former homesteads in Germany, Poland, etc?
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• Zambia
24 Mar 08
Idium, you have so soundly put it out. Most Americans are typically ignorant of the international landscape. I think they rely too much on the spin. I, for one, wouldn't be schooled by George W, because even when he opens his mouth, I can tell sense from nonsense. Too much belief in hype is also costly.
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@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
26 Mar 08
So the creation of Israel is justification, overall, to blow up 3000 innocent civilians? What a ridiculous comment. Nothing excuses terrorism. What does Korea or Darfur have to do with Islamic terrorists in foreign affairs? And the US' aim in pre9/11 Iraq was to free Kuwait from Iraqi invasion, while Somalia was humanitarian aid.
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@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
26 Mar 08
" Look at the Palestinian problem. If it wasn't for Hitler's Holocaust - and eventually the League of Nations/United Nations - we would not have a problem in the Middle East. " ...would certainly imply that Israel is the root of the problem. What did McCain say? Iran IS linked to the Iraq insurgency.
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• Zambia
26 Mar 08
I think you missed the point. I did not highlight the creation of Israel as the justification. All those were examples of meddling in other sovereign states' affairs. By and large, the utter levels of ignorance as far as international affairs are concerned are what usually ends America into trouble. For example, again, I watched with disbelief, the excellent exhibition of ignorance by an aspiring candidate to the US presidency, one John McCain when he put his foot in his mouth over the relationship between Iran and insurgents in Iraq. Such poor knowledge usually has led to making and execution of wrong decisions, and bad ones for that!
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@heathcliff (1415)
• United States
27 Mar 08
Religious differences created the problems in the Middle East. They existed long before the US existed and if the peoples of the Middle East cannot learn to share the land with respect for one another's views, the problems will always exist! Furthermore, the logic of the US bringing the events of 9/11 on themselves is valid ONLY if you also believe the rest of the world has brought the intervention of the US on themselves! It IS time someone started taking responsibility, but once someone starts pointing that out they start to receive the pain of bringing it to light. For instance: YOU probably feel the attacks of individuals arguing against YOU are because you are advancing a difficult but honorable point (unless you started the discussion just to get responses and could care less!). The US finds itself in a similar position. The US has wisdom and knowledge to give the Middle East (and the rest of the world), but many people are resistant to it. Resistant to the point of killing people to keep others in their circles of influence from hearing the message. It is the US who has promoted law and order in the international community so groups and individuals who oppose that will always hate the US. They will always believe they have an excuse to do evil against the US. That will not change the desire of the US to do good in the world. In fact, it usually drives the US to act even stronger. Hence, the Middle East has brought this all upon themselves? Chickens coming home to roost can be a good thing. If you kill all your chickens for attempting to leave in the first place, you'll never know that!
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@mmiller26 (1930)
• Canada
23 Mar 08
I'll agree in so far as saying that the US government's foreign policies have certainly contributed to negative feelings worldwide. The attacks have nothing to with hatred of our freedom, our success or anything that Bush has told us were the reasons for the attacks. They do not see capitalism and democracy as those systems operate in the West, enabling people to achieve prosperity and individual freedom. Instead, people living in those countries identify free enterprise and democratic values with the corruption and repression they have endured, which have been supported by US policies. The government is known for propping up a dictator, then vilifying him once it has no more use for him. Even Saddam Hussein was propped up, given weapons to use against Iran, and his transgressions were overlooked until the US needed somebody to blame for 9/11. I'm not saying he wasn't a bad guy who didn't need to be removed from power and tried for his crimes. But there are dictators all over the world who are responsible for atrocities against their own people, and they are ignored because they're US trading partners, or because they have superior weapons. There is a disturbing tendency to view such regimes in caricature, regarding right-wing governments as valuable friends whose repressive excesses must be ignored or excused, while perceiving leftist insurgent movements and governments as mortal threats to America's national interest, justifying a posture of unrelenting hostility. I grew up in the US, and I love my country and I love my people. But quite honestly, the US people are not getting the whole picture. They get their news from CNN and Fox News, which are hardly unbiased, and there is so much information that isn't being broadcast that they cannot possibly see what their government is doing or has done. It's always interesting to read the news reported in Canada and other countries and then compare it to what's being reported in the US, and see how much information is missing. There's a reason that photographs of caskets coming home from the war are not allowed to be photographed and it has nothing to do with disrespect to the families of the soldiers.
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@dreamy1 (3811)
• United States
22 Mar 08
I agree 911 IS AMERICA's FAULT. What do you expect after years of going to other countries and screwing them over. Yes the chickens sure did come home to roost. If America wasn't such a bully trying to be the policeman of the world foreign relations would be a lot better. Al Queda doesn't have anything on America. America is the worst terrorist ever created. What goes around comes around.
@dizzblnd (3073)
• United States
23 Mar 08
"Foot in mouth and head up @ss.. so whatcha talking bout? Difficult to dance round this one till you pull it out!" You must have been high when you posted this. And based on your lack of response to any of the very valid points all of your responders have made... I think you crawled back in whatever hole you crawled out of to post this. Shame on you! Your post comes out of lack of education, jealousy, and downright ignorance! Go back and do some reading on what REALLY caused 9/11. Then come back and apologize for the statement you made. You are entitled to your opinion, yes.. but NOT at the expense of MANY THOUSANDS of human beings that were killed that day. BTW... they weren't all Americans The NERVE!
• Zambia
24 Mar 08
Well, I did not crawl out of any "whatever" hole. Already, I understand how limited your rationality is. I have done a lot of reading, yes, and I will tell you that you have to do yours too, and do it from a broader perspective. The US just got too paranoid with Communism. You trained and equipped Osama bin Laden heavily is your Communism paranoia. But the birds surely came home to roost. It was, let us, just a bad deal gone real bad! Oh yes, my heart goes to all those who were victims of 9/11. However, since you seem to be a little schooled, how many thousands (civilians) were killed by US forces as they tried to get to Baghdad to get Saddam off his seat. Thousands perished and you called them collateral damage! How many people (civilians) did the US kill in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Millions! More than those killed in the so-called Holocaust. How many people were killed by US force in Vietnam? In Somalia? The birds surely do come back home to roost. Hard fact. like it or not, it's a very big mess to clean up. never shorten your memory. I excuse those posters who think the Bin Laden problem started in Clinton's admin. Ask Michael Moore, an open-minded American citizen.
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