smoking is banned in public places

Thats really considerate of you mate. You really care for other people.

Look. Th Nazis didn't just start by sending Jws to the gas chambr. It was a long process. Their ideas were based on an ideology which held that the Aryan race were superior. o thy started off changing laws. Small law. Thir first law after the Labor laws was to ban th cooking of lobstaers. It was thought that a nlightnd master race would b kind to animals. Foxhunting was alos banned. This was a major thing bcuse or th first time it allowed th state to intrfr with morality. The Stat became the moral guardians of the people. o cours they the also considred that they should guard th health of the mastr race...and as Hitlr was anti smoking, h threw million sof deutschmarks at scinc to prov smoking was bad. They could not. BUT they had to come up with results so they manipulated statistcis. Just like now, they began to change the law and produce dreadful lies as propaganda....making out smokers to be a thrat to the health of the master race. arjun it starts HER don' you get it? It will be TOO LATE later because you will have allowed the State the precednt of interfering with th individual on anything. In the USA you have a Bill of rights but in the UK we DO NOT. It goes on PRECEDENT. It also has implications for th USA though too...a many say it is an infringemnt of human rights. so you HAV to jump on what may sm a small thing to you befor thy start doing worse. the principle NEEDS to be establishd that peoples right are respctd. What may seem unimportant to you SOME of us feel incensed about. "At first they came for the communists but I said nothing because I was not a communist Then they cam for the Jews And I said nothing because I was not a Jew Then thy came for the Trade unioinsts and I said nothing bcause I was not a trade unioist Then they came for the Catholics and I said nothing because I was not a Catholic Then they came for me ...and there was nobody left to speak " Martin Niemoller (on the apathy of grman intllctuals and people to defend the rights of their neighbours) Well they have in the UK come for the smokers and hunters first. If thy get away with that they will go for ethnic minoities and in fact already are. They speak about banning the burka and halal meat for xample. So we fight NOW.

mrs frodota Animals hunt for fun too take a look at a cat with a mouse. All animals are motivated to hunt through adrenalin...and that is what it is about. NOT killing the animal as such but being part of the chase. In foxhunting only the Huntsman will see the animal killed...if indeed it is killed at all. 97% of foxes escape from the hounds....or used to . The object is therefore NOT the killing of the fox. But to DISPERSE the fox away from farmers land and into the woods etc. Only the old sick smelly males are caught as they have the strongest smell. They are also the ones who resort to kiling chickens and lambs because they are easy. So hunting with hounds is also discrimatory: they hunt by smell not sight. So again you are talking and rubbishing something you know NOTHING about and all you do know has been fed into your head with propaganda...and again its a lie. An again you are going to HAVE to fight people to stop it. because there is NO WAY that people in the UK are ever going to stop foxhunting it is an integral part of rural culture. The whole basis of it is that it is considered the fair and correct way to manage other animals who are a nuisance is to give them a fair chance of escape by introducing their natural enemy in nature. So every farm in the uk uses ferrets for too many rabbits Terriers for too many rats cats for mice Hawking for too many pigeons (they defcate in animal feed and cause disease) Now. In the city they use POISON. Whereas it take two seconds for a fox to be killed by a hound by a disabling bite to the back of the neck by the alpha hound; in cities animals are posioned taking up to thr days to die of a burst stomach, taking it back to their young who get the same fate, and then it is eaten by owls and domestic cats and they get poisoned too. SO BEFORE THESE IGNORANT URBAN PEOPLE START TELLING US WHAT TO DO THEY SHOULD PUT THEIR OWN HOUSE IN ORDER FIRST.They are the real one massacring wildlife...millions of rats a day alone. The fox HAS to be controlld in the UK countryside to PROTECT your food. If you want free range chicken you HAVE to control the foxes. Ever seen what a fox can do to half a dozen new born lambs? Shooting and poisoning and snaring them is NOT an option for rural people as it gives the fox no fair chance, and causes suffering. 650 veterinary surgons gave evidence to the Govrnment that fox hunting was NOT cruel. It was ignored. The real reason it was banned (though the law is ignored or got around by using eagles etc or sadly shooting)is out of pure prejudice as it is perceived (wrongly) to be an activity of the rich. People from all walks of life support the Hunt and the biggest ever demonstartion ever in th UK was th countryid alliance march to demonstrate against the ban. Half a million people took part. The government outrageously broke the British Constitution to get it through by reading the PArliament Ac...something only supposed to be used in times of war. The only reason it has not erupted into civil war is that disobedience is working and the next Conservative Government will repeal it anyway. At the moment they are miles ahead in the opinion polls. But there is strong mood for conflict; especially as the governments record on rural affairs is so appalling (foot and mouth etc). Now the reason it has been mentiond at all here is because the Nazis also banned foxhunting. So many many people in the UK now see us as having a fascist govrnment, particularly when they are speaking about eugenics and banning many other liberties and introducing ID cards etc. please read this on the Nazis and animal rights: http://www.kaltio.fi/index.php?494 Now if you don't want to smoke or go hunting fine.....nobody is forcing you. But when a majority opresses a minority to force their beliefs and ideas on them through the state then it is fascism and it will be fought. So before you think about these things think about the consqunces; and if putting people in prison for smoking and hunting and letting rapists out early because the prisons are full is really worth it. The Police federations are very unhappy about these laws too btw. 2 millon hunters and 13 million smokers have been criminalised in the UK and we simply will not have it. We fought it once before in Europe and will do so again.

It is true that our liberties are taken away on pretext of terrorism. Even fundamental rights of people are being taken away. You have mentioned several real issues but smoking is not one of them. I agree with your cause but dont include smoking in it and lower the cause in the minds of the people.

I think this rule is better applicable to buses, trains etc. Here the people cant affort to miss bcos of some one going. They wont have any option but to breathe the smoke. If people dont want to smoke second hand smoke, its their right as well. They have the right to breathe fresh air free from smoke. Smoke of any form is bad for health. Do you like spending time infront of a bone fire which gives a lot of smoke.

Thanks for your support Naseefu. I really welcome this law.

Thanks for supporting me mate.

I agree with the law too.

Ok. I will watch it and get back to you. Thanks for the info.

YA mate, nothing is worse than getting diseases due to passive smoking.

Thanks Williamhisir, I too feel that we need to breathe fresh air on buses and trains instead of smoke from smokers.