Setting up a tropical tank
@goddessglamourpuss (261)
March 29, 2008 1:25pm CST
I have recently acquired a very large fish tank probably around 40litres and am keen to get some fish in it. I have a smaller tank already with a couple of goldfish but had a few teething problems with it as 4 out of 6 fish died.
I wanted to set up the larger tank with tropical fish as I had a tropical tank as a child and have always aspired to have one of my own.
I know that certain fish should not be kept together and there should be a good mix but I am finding it difficult to decipher a good ratio of the different types of fish (i.e. bottom feeders) and what would work well together.
Also, would it be best to fill the tank to capacity or leave room for all the fish to grow larger?
What species of fish do you find work well in your tank?
How many different types should I have?
Will extra bottom feeders REALLY help to keep the tank clean?
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@Fishmomma (11377)
• United States
29 Mar 08
Fish need room to grow, so its important to not put to many fish in the tank. The Goldfish Tank has to many fish, as Goldfish need a large tank and an excellent filtering system.
You will need to cycle the tank with a few low cost fish. I cycle all of my tanks for a month to make sure that I won't have tank troubles.
Aggressive Fish should not be in a community tank. My suggestion is to look in your local fish stores to see what fish are available in your area. I look for healthy fish and won't buy any fish if there are sick fish in the tank.
What kind of fish did you have as a child? You might want to look at them first.
I use to have a community tank with Guppies, Mollies, and Swordtails.
@goddessglamourpuss (261)
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30 Mar 08
This is probably a thick question but what does cycling mean? I followed the advice on the box with the tank which stated how much room each fish needed and said my tank could hold a max of 4 which I ended up with. I do think 2 is much better though as they have now grown really big.
Do you think the fact that they only came into the pet shop the previous day had any effect? I have read fish can get stressed easily and I wonder if being moved around so much had any effect on them.
My childhood tank had mollies, fan tails, neon tetras, sword fish and angel fish. I believe the tetras are quite aggressive though and have come to believe they were responsible for nipping at the fan tails. They always seemed to die in a specific order too:fan tails, mollies, tetras, sword fish and finally the angel fish which seemed to be the hardiest of them all.
I am a little put off the goldfish at the pet shop though as I looked at them the other day and they are all undergoing treatment. They seemed healthy enough though.
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@goddessglamourpuss (261)
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30 Mar 08
Thanks for the advice. I guess I need to do a bit more productive googling as I found loads on how to set up the tank with the pump etc but not the type of fish.
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@Fishmomma (11377)
• United States
30 Mar 08
I know not everyone cycles their tank before adding a large amount of fish and realize some people don't think its important. I run a business with 20 tanks up now and sell fish, so the information I'm telling you is exactly what I tell somebody that comes to my business.
People shouldn't put the max number of fish into their tanks. I realize some of you may think she is a business woman, so wouldn't she want to sell more fish. If you put the highest number of fish possible and they die, then you may say fish are to hard to keep and no longer have fish. Fish aren't suppose to be a hard pet to keep and 2 is what I would suggest not 4.
Stress kills fish and please don't buy fish that just came into the store the day before, as they aren't likely to survive. The water conditions at the store are likely to be different than your tank causing a lot of stress to the fish.
Don't buy any fish that isn't healthy. If its missing fins, has fungus or any other disease you don't need that kind of trouble. Go to another store to find fish. If there isn't another store, then ask your friends that have fish where they purchased the fish.
My first fish didn't come from a store, as I received them from a high school that no longer had the room for them. I have purchased fish from stores; however, I look closely at how the fish are swimming, are all the fish healthy and for my community tanks are the fish getting along in the tank at the store. If the fish are fighting at the store, then they will fight in my tanks.
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@mtshootingstar (11)
• United States
30 Mar 08
I have a 36 gal. tank. I currently have a ton of Fancy guppies in there. In addition to 3 mollies (2 female/1 male), 3 platties (2 female/1 male), 1 neon tetra, 2 striped tetra, 1 algea eater and another I can't remember kind (that I got to eat the snails that overtook my tank.
Most of mine are top feeders. I need to get more of the middle and bottom feeders to even it all out.
I also have a 10 gal tank that I put all the new fry in. Which currently is holding about 90 teeny babies. As they get big enough to survive with the "big" fish, I move them to the 36 gal. tank. It's an endless cycle.
I give a lot of my fish away to friends and family.
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@goddessglamourpuss (261)
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30 Mar 08
Thanks for the response. Gives me an idea of the kinds of fish that can live in a community tank.
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@oscarbartoni (2581)
• United States
7 Apr 08
I do not consider a 40 liter (ten gallon) tank large by any means but rather a tank for quarantining fish or for small fish (babies or invertebrates). The general rule of thumb is one inch of adult fish (length times height not including the fins) to get the number of gallons that each fish needs. Too many fish will get that cute little fish not knowing that it should grow to a foot or maybe even up to 4 or 5 foot long and think that since it will fit in a ten gallon tank it will be alright in that ten gallon tank for the rest of it's life. do some research on your fish before you get then and save your selves some money and some fishes lives.
Cycling a tank means that you will have bacteria that will eat the ammonia that are given off by fish into nitrites. And then there are bacteria that will eat the nitrites and break them down to nitrates. Ammonia and nitrite are dangerous in any quantities, the ammonia and nitrite levels should read zero on a fully cycled tank. Nitrate is not as harmful as the other two but should be kept under 20 to 40 parts per million. This is why I recommend partial water changes, to get rid of the extra nitrate. And this water that you take out of your tank can be used to water your house plants or even your garden plants because it has plenty of good nourishment for the plants. If you have a salt water aquarium do not do this because the salt will kill most house and garden plants.
@goddessglamourpuss (261)
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7 Apr 08
Thanks for your response. I guess I considered the tank to be large because of it's size and the amount of room it takes up but I guess when you consider the fish have to live in it I guess it isn't that big. Thanks for the info on working out the fish to water ratio. Would hate to think I have overfilled or growth stunted any fish.
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@oscarbartoni (2581)
• United States
7 Apr 08
I would recommend taking the goldfish back to the store to exchange them for fish that will live comfortable in your tank. I would research some small fish to go in your 40 liter tank. Fish such as danios and white clouds can get along with normal room temp and therefor do not need a heater as long as the room does not get too cold. Some of the corydoras catfish can also withstand regular room temp st that would be a good choice for you to begin checking out. There are others but would need a heater to keep them from getting too cool and getting sick because of the chill of a too cool tank. When you go to check out the fish that the store has, take a water sample (in a clean glass container) so that the store can check out the water for you ,to see if it is cycled or not. I am sure that you do not wish to kill any more fish. If they continue to say that a few goldfish can live in a 40 liter tank then look for another store that will be more helpful so that you do not loose any more fish and throw your money down the toilet.
@tpaandrea (21)
• United States
30 Mar 08
Me and my husband had a saltwater tank and we had a spotted puffer, nigerian trigger, pigmy angel, clown fish, a cow fish and a cardinal. We also had a few snails in there and they were all fine together. Oh and a star fish. My friend worked at a fish shop and told us which are the aggressive ones and which could not be placed together. You'd be surprised at how much they know.
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@goddessglamourpuss (261)
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30 Mar 08
Thanks for your response. Your tank sounds pretty exotic, I don't think my local pet shop has anything so grand. It does have a few notes on the different types of fish but it all gets a bit confusing after a while. Probably a good idea to ask the staff then I guess.
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