"You won't understand because you're not a teacher" - I am the MOM!

@chrysz (1602)
Philippines
April 2, 2008 9:26am CST
I had that understatement and most insulting words today while I was trying to negotiate and ask details about my child's schooling next June. My child had her nursery and kinder in a daycare here in Laguna, Philippines so she was discrimated as not able to at least discriminate sounds and so cannot read yet. I admit she was kinda late in reference to other kids but I am not hiding that so I was looking for schools that offer summer reading class and IF she can cope, I hope she would be admitted to Grade I instead of being in Prep. She can read CVC words, Filipino words and some sight words. So I was asking the teacher if it is possible that she can be accelerated to grade I if we could all work together and make her read and understand sentences before June. And then I began telling them that I would do my best to teach her snce I have some materials at home, but I'll try to find flashcards of dolch list with some pictures because that's the only way to CATCH and MAINTAIN her attention but the teacher insisted that my child be taught only with the word list because she has to do whole word reading and not picture reading. And then, she asserted, "You won't understand because you are not a teacher." My friend said, "she's (meaning me) is a teacher madam". And so she started asking me what I finished, what is my major and so i said I am a special education graduate. She even asked me if I am from thi snot so big university in Laguna but I said, I was not but I had MA units there. She then asked where I had my degree and everyone kept silent because modesty aside, I came from one of the best schools here in the country. I was just wondering how teachers could treat mothers or clients that way in their school. We are not having a heated argument so I just ignored her subtle insult and attack on my knowledge and skills. Afterall, I am not a nobody that they can just insult. I just pity other parents that they can just lambast if they would try to ask them to elaborate their programs, etc. Others are just really mean. I was just in white t-shirt and ordinary pants with no make up and was holding a paperbag for my umbrella and cellphone so they thought I was a nobody. Even in other places, people are mistreated just because other people tend to judge us based on what we wear. This should be the case. I am a mom who was just concern about my child's education and not a nosy nobody. Did something similar to what I experienced happen to you? I think we dn't have to lay out our credentials just to be respected and treated nicely. We are all humanbeings worthy of such respect.
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@karmendra (1123)
• India
2 Apr 08
its not a big problem for you, because you may be a very good teacher for your child. and some body said that " MOTHER IS THE BEST TEACHER ". and so for as your child is concern she can do any thing. it possible please watch an Indian movie " TAARE JAMEEN PE" i think its English version is available it is very good movie for you and your child. do you know great scientist Albert Ainstin have same problem when he was a child. so don't loose your hope. all the best for your little child. i hope she will be an achiever.
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@karmendra (1123)
• India
3 Apr 08
i think that type of child are often extraordinary. you should focus on her interest only. she must have something special.
@chrysz (1602)
• Philippines
2 Apr 08
I know that Einstein is dyslexic and his thesis was poorly written that's why it was only now that its worth was noticed. She is not dyslexic but she only only lags behind the school's standard for gradeone. She is only 5, turning 6 this October and grades 1 here should be 6 by June. I am not an effective teacher for her because I lose my temper most of the time because I get disappointed from her actions. She considers our lessons at home as play so I cannot make her sit down for 30 minutes straight. She would always find something to do so we cannot focus.
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• United States
2 Apr 08
I'm a teacher and a Mom. I would safely assume that teacher is not a Mom, because if she had to be on the other side of things in education she would have never treated you that way. That being said, that is not an excuse for her comments and behavior. As a parent you can ask anything about your child's education you want to and she should tell you exactly what you want to know. Is reading the only area your child is struggling with? Is she also behind in Math? I will say as an elementary teacher if you are willing to work with her at home that I would keep asking about putting her in first grade. However if other subjects are behind also than another year of prep might really help her. I had one student come to me in second grade on an early first grade reading level. She struggled all year and made slight progress. I retained her and in her second year of second grade she really shined. She gained confidence in herself and really progressed. Basically its not for every student but sometimes it really helps some kids. I know as a mother I hope to never have to hold my kids back a grade but if I think it will help them then thats what I'll do. Good luck with deciding. And if that teacher gives you a hard time again call the principal. That should change her tune.
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@chrysz (1602)
• Philippines
2 Apr 08
She is actually one of those who excel in their class but with regards to the private school's standard for grade one, she lags behind but I don't mind having her enrolled in prep. I just want her to be in the 1st grade to save money and time since most of what she will be doing in prep were already done in her kinder. I just can't make her sit down with me for two hours daily at home so I am asking them if they have special reading class where she could be included but since the teacher said that in two hours everyday from April 14 to May 14, they will be studying reading, math, science and arts but the main focus is socialization and preparing the kids for their regular schooling in June.
@pumpkinjam (8787)
• United Kingdom
2 Apr 08
That's a really cruel thing to say. Every good mum is a teacher and every good parent deserves respect. Well, any good person at all. It doesn't matter whether we hold degrees, etc. I, for example, consider myself quite intelligent but I don't have papers to prove it and I don't dress smart and I do think that people seem to percieve that I can not be as smart as them because I happen to be putting my kids first right now. People should not make assumptions based on what you're wearing. For all that teacher knew, you could have been a prfoessor at a major university or something like that. I have found that there are certain people who assume a lack of intelligence with a basis in something completely irrelevent. I would be a good example here I think: Brought up on benefits on a council estate, I failed my A-levels (except one) I was a single parent at 19, split with child's dad after we'd lived together for 2 years and became a single parent again with a second child, I don't wear make-up, I generally wear jeans and t-shirts and my fingers look terrible because of nail-biting. I'm now full time mum to my kids working part time from home. All of these are excuses for people to make negative assumptions but very few, knowing all these facts, would base their view on the fact that I achieved 11 GCSEs, my children are often complimented on their good behaviour and manners, I have several other qualifications and constantly expanding my knowledge and, as far as I know, I am a generally good and nice person. Sorry about all that, I was just a bit upset for you and wanted to make my point clearly. Hope you understand.
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• United Kingdom
3 Apr 08
I'm in the UK and, to be honest, the education system here is not too bad in general. We have free full time until up to aged 19 which is a very good thing. I am beginning to get a little disappointed with my son's school teacher though. The school as a whole has always been one of the best in the area but he has a teacher who, I am sure, has only just come out of education herself. That's not necessarily bad in itself but she seems to be a bit of a "I've been to university, therefore I'm better than everybody else" kind of attitude. I know that feeling in the shops as well. I've gone into high street fashion shops and had that "you can't afford to shop here" look. Or it may have been a "you're too fat to shop here" or "You're dressed like a tramp, what could you find in here" sort of look. I CAN'T often afford to shop in some of them but that is beside the point. That's why I now only go to Primark and Peacocks for tha sort of thing! Not only better prices but staff who (mostly) don't judge you.
• United Kingdom
2 Apr 08
Just wanted to add that, it doesn't matter how a child is taught as long as they learn. The teacher's way is obviously not working so you go ahead and do it your way. Some children need different methods and some need a number of methods before information sinks in. I get annoyed with people going on about my toddler not being potty trained yet. It's usually from people whose kids are less able in every other area but happen to be "text book" in bigger issues. Just to clarify that, my toddler was late walking, he's now late potty training. My friends toddler (older than mine) walked and potty trained at the "right" time but friends toddler still gabbles while mine talked at 6 months and I can have intelligent conversations with him. He also is very co-ordinated and dextrous with his hands. He can draw different sorts of lines and circles, I don't think friends toddler has ever held a pencil. I think you get the idea.
@chrysz (1602)
• Philippines
3 Apr 08
This had happenend to me several times, and not just in school. When I go to malls, I would just wear my shorts or capri pants and shirts and my old sandal or just flip flops and some of the salesladies wouldn't want to entertain me just because I don't look nice to them. There was even one instance when the lady just pointed me the shelf and I'll have to go there alone. Little did she know that I am buying 5 VCDs and will be paying in cash. She was in the cashier when I was paying and I really brought out all the money I have, bundled and fresh from the bank. When I went out, she said "Thank you ma'am, please come again". I should have blurted out "sure, as long as you'll learn to respect customers" but I didn't waste my breath. I am also a mother of two, still unmarried but I am still with the same man. My eldest is 5 and I am looking for an affordable school here with good quality - not just the student-teacher ratio, books or classroom and facilities but teacher with good ethics too. Thanks for posting! At least we have burst out our emotions towards the system. I don't wanna say that the public education system here in the Philippines is nothing compared to the American system because some are still excelling.
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• India
3 Apr 08
Yes, you are very correct that clothes apart, we should first interact with the person and then judge how much respect he is worthy of. But cant blame people all the time either…usually people who like to be taken seriously dress accordingly and people who have no idea of how they should be treated, are not very careful in their dress. There are exceptions of course and I am one of them. I dress very shabbily and at many places I have had to open my mouth before I was taken seriously. First they judge you by the clothes and then by your words. I had to talk serious to make them take me seriously. But in school it is different. I mean parents have every right to be concerned about their children but most teachers don’t accept that and instead have a very high opinion of themselves and low opinion of mothers. It’s the same everywhere. By the way, how old is your child? If she is 6+, you can easily train her for grade I
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@chrysz (1602)
• Philippines
3 Apr 08
She is only five years old and I onlywant her to be in the first grade to save money and maximize the time spend in school. What she will be learning in Prep were already taken in Nursery and Kinder. I think I was dressed suitably for a parent who is canvassing for the right school for her child. I don't think I would need to be in business suit to be taken seriously but if you'll ask me, I don't mind how I look like unless Ill be in official business. If the teacher was keen enough to observe, she would think that I am not a nobody since I've said CVC words instead of three letter words that my child could read. CVC (consonant-vowel-consonant) is somewaht technical already. I have met a lot of people who only took me seriously when I started talking and these were the ones who are really listening.
@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
3 Apr 08
Ya know what?! Even if you DIDNT have a teaching background under your belt YOU ARE THE MOM and we know BETTER THAN ANYONE what works best for our children when it comes to their learning whether we're talking about schooling or just learning in life.... You handled yourself beautifully I must say and I'm sorry you were treated that way too..thats just awful
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@chrysz (1602)
• Philippines
3 Apr 08
I pity those moms who are were not even able to finish high school. At least in my case, I won't feel so low about being treated that way because I know where I am in reference to the teacher who insulted me. I dont intend to enroll my kids there anymore. I would rather send her to a more expensive school who would teach her how to be a compassionate and respectful child.
@secretbear (19448)
• Philippines
7 Apr 08
wow. what an annoying teacher. she didn't have to insult you. she has no right in the first place. what kind of teacher is that? she should be thankful because you are a mother who is willing to work with her in teaching your kid. teachers should always think that parents need to help them in educating the children. and mothers are teachers too! maybe not in a technical way but children learn a lot from their parents. not only from teachers. tch. she doesn't deserve to be a teacher! its good that you didn't step down her level. she doesn't deserve your effort to argue because she's narrow-minded and judgemental. but if i were you i won't enrol my kid in that school. i would look for a school that cater not only to the children's need but also to parents' requests.
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@secretbear (19448)
• Philippines
13 Apr 08
you're right. good manners are important. and teachers should be role models. with that kind of teacher, i don't think she's be a good role model for children. i hope you can find a school that would fit your needs.
@chrysz (1602)
• Philippines
7 Apr 08
Yup, I agree with that I must not enroll my child there.Afterall, they are not the only school near us. Provided that they are affordable, quality education and good manner can never be bought anyway. Role modeling good attributes are more important than the tuition we will be paying. They must be happy that there are parents who are willing to work hand in hand with them. If I am just an ordinary parent, I won't mind how my child would fare in school and let them do the teaching and I will just pay the tuition. But I am not like that so I don't really intend to enroll my child there anymore. Thanks for your time!
@spoiled311 (5500)
• Philippines
2 Apr 08
oh that is so mean! and yeah, that teacher is really snotty. anyway, to at least give you encouragement, i started schooling at 5 years old, not in nursery, but in grade 1. i have never passed nursery, kinder, or pre-school, but at age 5, i was enrolled in elementary school.. i was first made to study as just an observer in grade 1, but eventually they enrolled me, because the teacher "used" me to copy stuff in the blackboard and to explain stuff to my classmates. that made me graduate from college at 19, cumlaude, not to mention, being valedictorian in elementary and high school. so i believe if your daughter is given the chance, she will be able to prove herself to her teachers. i believe in accelerating talented students so that they will be trained together with those who are in their level of mental capacity. i was supposed to be accelerated twice, but my mom declined, wanting me to pass schooling the "normal" way, as if i am not normal. anyway, can you just talk to the principal or something? maybe you will have better treatment there. take care and good day!:)
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@chrysz (1602)
• Philippines
2 Apr 08
I am not sure if she was the principal or the guidance counselor because she was even asking me to bring my child this afternoon or tomorrow for assessment but I insisted that the assessment must be made after the reading class and now, it must only be a diagnostic test to check where they must concentrate in teaching my child. I was just so disappointed with the way she treated me and I don't wanna see myself being in that position again. I don't also want my child to be in that kind of environment. To think that they are not even the best school here in San Pedro, Laguna yet they had treated me that way. I even went first to a private school near our house and the one I talked to was the owner and I was treated nicely. Congrats to you and I hope you are not in a rewarding a career. I was a valedictorian too but I was a bit disappointed with myself because I haven't taught in a school for a year, I only work parttime as tutor since I have kids to attend to.It is still rewarding though.
• Philippines
3 Apr 08
i think we already have "inclusive schools" meaning..all the teachers must know how to deal with those who have special needs. those children are already being part of the regular class. they are being combined with the regular students. the teacher must know that. but anyways..since you already have that experience..you must look for a school for your child..where he will be taken care of and treated fairly. your child doesnt deserve that.
@chrysz (1602)
• Philippines
3 Apr 08
Yup, I know about inclusive school but I would say that my child, who was an only child for almost five years (I just gave birth to her little sisi last year) is somewhat egp-centric, a little hyperactive but basically, a regular kid and need not be included. Actually, she doesn't even have to be in a reading summer class but I just wanna maximize her time and potential, as well as the money we would be spending. I am still looking for a school for my child and that school is now not in my list because I don't wanna have another encounter with that teacher.
@checapricorn (16061)
• United States
2 Apr 08
She has to take up her professional ethics again! respect is not only for those who obtained their bachelor or masteral degree.We have to treat everyone the way we want ourselves to be treated!If I were you, I will report such action to the principal so that that teacher will be given some lesson! How if she will be assigned to a barrio where most of the parents are farmers, fisherman and carpenter. Its not fair, She should be the role model in the community! She dont deserve to teach. she might influenced her students by her negative attitudes!
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@chrysz (1602)
• Philippines
2 Apr 08
I strongly agree with you. We don't have to tell people that we are professionals or have this or that label just to be respected. Thanks for reading my post and for responding. I just wish that teacher learned too because I barked at her well enough for the other teachers kept quiet when I started talking in English and explaining my side.
@eden32 (3973)
• United States
2 Apr 08
That's awful. I'm glad you were able to respond that she was mistaken, I hope it made her feel foolish. Even if you weren't a teacher though, that's no way for a professional to speak to a student's parent. You were meeting with her to discuss concerns about your child, it's part of her job to listen to your concerns & work with you to decide how to address them, not to belittle the parents.
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@chrysz (1602)
• Philippines
2 Apr 08
Thanks a lot! Now I am having second thought in enrolling my kid to that school. It's way cheaper and their curriculum is good but with a teacher like that, I'd rather spend more than let my child be with a rude teacher.
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@lancingboy (1385)
• United States
3 Apr 08
I've spoken to many people in the Philipines and they are not as well educated as you! (That was not meant to be insulting, I was talking about knowing so much English. I know my asian relatives are well educated but their English sucks lol!) But, that is good that you are a teacher too and could contribute to your daughter's education. I think the picture flash cards are an excellent idea. That is because kids need something fun in order to learn new things and pictures are fun to them. Flash cards with only words would be boring to her and she won't want to learn from them.
• United States
4 Apr 08
Yeah that's true. Many people who claim to be fluent in English aren't. I know that I try my best and English is my first language, but I still don't use proper grammar when I speak. I always stutter really bad because I am thinking of what to say and trying to say it at the same time lol!
@chrysz (1602)
• Philippines
3 Apr 08
You got it! My reason for looking for flash cards with pictures is to catch her attention and maintain her focus. You would know anyway if the child is reading or not (like saying alligator for crocodile when it was already written below or beside the picture that it is indeed a crocodile) so I still encourage picture reading aside from the fact that I have introduced her to iconic reading when she turned 1. I am good with written English because I could review my grammar and spelling when I have enough time but I am not that good in speaking because I tend to be conscious with my grammar too. Unlike some people, they say that they are fluent with English when in fact, if you will nalyze it gramatically, they have lots of mistakes.I am glad I have good English teachers back in high school because I have practiced my Filipino more often in college.
• United States
2 Apr 08
It seems in this day and age schools, principals, teachers, and councilors think they know MORE than the parents. Like you said your the mom, shes your kid, you know more than anyone how to raise YOUR kid. I think that homeschool is best for some kids, but the downside is they miss out on life lessons that way so my step kid stays in school. This is wrong and disrespectful for anyone. It would of really pissed me off and made me transfer my kid to another school.
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@chrysz (1602)
• Philippines
3 Apr 08
I don't wanna homeschool my child because even now that she has a sibling, it seems that ego-centrism remains in her. I hope she will learn to ourgrow it by being in a school. At least now she learns how to wait but when in our house, she seems to insist to be "served" first. Aside from the fact that I am the fact, I am also a teacher, a licensed one here in our country but do I have to tell the teacher that I am also one of them in order to gain respect? I don't think that I need to tell them that. I am one of the their client so they must at least show me some respect. I am still angry and I don't wanna enroll my child there anymore.
@Samanthavv (1380)
• United States
2 Apr 08
Wow! That's really terrible what happened! People can be like that sometimes. It's terrible, but true. Hopefully you can do right by your daughter and get her access to all of the resources you feel she needs to succeed! Good luck!
@chrysz (1602)
• Philippines
3 Apr 08
Thanks! I am still in the process of choosing which school and I already had this terrible experience so that school is out of my list.
@alexigne (903)
• Philippines
3 Apr 08
I'll try to figure the positive side of the teacher. Schooldays are so different during my time. I am also here in the philippines.Child of my daughter's Godmother took day care and kinder, i saw their lessons. I told her that lesson was already my grade 3 lesson and those projects are project of my sister in 3rd year college.The math, signs and so on. Maybe that was her point for not admitting you child from the school in Grade I. The big mistakes she had done is her way of sending you the message she want too. No one has the right to insult us even our family give respect to each other. Mylotter here are right. Is there any connection on your school where you graduate or what course you have take.What if you don't take any degree or undergraduate, so she will degrade you even more. If you think you have the right, you may report this to authority.Even though she is tired, it is still wrong unless you embarrass her on the public.We only want the best for our little angel.
@chrysz (1602)
• Philippines
3 Apr 08
Her point for not admitting my child is she cannot read sentences yet but she can read phrases like "cat in the mat, the fish is in the dish, top and a pot, etc". I asked her if it is ok that my child be assessed instead after the summer class but since the summer class will not be focused on reading, math and science but on socialization so that they won't throwing tantrums on the first day of school. I don't have problem with my child's attitute but I am after her ability to read, I want it to be continously honed and two months out of school would make her forget some of what she had learned. Some daycare centers, especially the DSWD supported daycare centers doesn't focus on academics but I would say that my child's former teacher was great because she made sure that my child and her classmates could read a few words and phrases and even copy her own notes. But you are right, some of their lessons are indeed difficult like Roman numbers from 1-50, subraction/addition with regrouping and even fractions. They even had a project which my husband had done patiently (a model community, A 3d paper model with the church of Notre Dame as the highlight. very intricate indeed!) "What if you don't take any degree or undergraduate, so she will degrade you even more." Regardsless of the degree or what I was wearing, the teacher must have shown respect because I am a client of their school. I went there to inquire so she must at least be respectful.
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
3 Apr 08
So did you ask her nicely if you could help her at home or did you just demand that if you use your material, your child could be accelerated to Grade One? The teacher also wanted to know your qualifications to determine if you had a teacher's degree. And if you do not want to appear as a nobody, do not dress as a nobody. She should not have been mean, but as a teacher, she knows what your child can handle. Since you said your child cold not discriminate sounds, did you want the teacher to up her to Grade One and then find out later, that she is lagging behind the other pupils and what will you do then? Blame the Grade One teacher for pushing her too much?
@chrysz (1602)
• Philippines
3 Apr 08
First, I am looking for a school where I could enroll my child possibly in prep or in Grade I. HEr first question was her age, so I said , "She is 5, turning 6 this October". Then she asked where she had her Kinder. I replies "Just in a daycare center for both nursery and kinder." She assumed that she cannot discriminate sound but I said she can read "abakada" (Filipino) and CVC or three letter words. If she was keen enough, she should have noticed that I used CVC which is a technical term for educators. My child, in the public school standard is alreay OK except for her age - public schools only accept children in Grade who are 6 by June 30 and provided that they can read CVCs. I was dressed suitably, at least for a mom who is looking for a good school for her child. I don't think I should be in business suit to be treated with respect. I am not asking her to accelerate my child in Grade but what i was asking is for my child to be considered for Grade I provided that I can teach her how to read and understand sentences before classes starts in June. We tackled about a lot of things until we started talking about picture reading and those with no pictures. So I said I have some materials at home but I was looking for something that would catch and maintain my child's attention because when I start teaching her, she couldn't focus and would try to divert her attention to other things that's why am also interested about summer reading classes but I would still do my part as the mom. Until suddenly, in the middle of her explaination, she blurted out that i would not understand because I am not a teacher. An administration officer, whom I just met the day before I went to that school said "ah, ma'am, she is also a teacher." That's when the mean teacher stopped lecturing me. Her tone changed and began asking me what was my degree and all. She was asking me to have my child be assessed that very day or the next day but since she had said that they don't offer special reading class, then there is no use enrolling her there because what I want her to do this summer is to learn and enjoy reading. I know how reading classes should be handled because I have MA units in reading, You can't just force a child to read or memorize sounds, it would be better if you continue catching her attention and rewarding every milestone she achieves. I am not forcing my child to child but we cannot deny the fact the she needs it. A child who knows how to read CVC, CVCV or CCVC or CVCC words but don't even know how to different here and her has not learned at all. So reading is not just reading words or sentences but is a very complex process. I am not trying to push my child to be in Grade if she cannot do it but I cannot see any problem bargaining if it will be for your child's future. I wanna maximize the time, effort and money we will be spending for my child's education that is why I wanna know all the things I must know before enrolling my child in a certain school.