How Does One Handle A Person That Has Gotten To Be A Pain!
By pyewacket
@pyewacket (43903)
United States
April 7, 2008 7:27pm CST
Last year I bumped into this woman named Annette in the supermarket near whom I've seen in the neighborhood for awhile now and started yakking...like me, she has two kitties so of course we started to talk about our cats and both of our furbabies will ONLY eat Fancy Feast. Also like me she receives SSI disability and ironically for the same exact amount. So we exchange phone numbers and on occasion all this time still bump into each other and sometimes call each other. Okay, fine.
Now she is having real serious heavy duty problems, like one thing after another...I haven't gotten the whole story told to me, but I think she's one of those who when they do get SSI disability have a representative of the Adult Protective Services to handle their affairs (if they aren't capable of doing it themselves) so that representative pays the rent and utilities in her behalf and gives her the rest in cash money, but from what I'm gathering this representative has been helping himself to some of her money...so much so that it jeopardized her rent, now she's facing eviction...on top of that, whomever has been skimming her benefit money has also not been paying up the full utility bills and her electricity is going to be turned off..and on and on...I mean the woman is in a real dire straits position here.
Now because I had had my own problems last year and my SSI benefits had been terminated leaving me dangling with only $5.71 to my name, not only did I get in contact with my SSA office but an "inspiration" led me to contact my local Congressman,which led me to a woman in his office that dealt with SSI benefit issues. Thanks to her, my benefits were re-instated in record time..only withing the month.....So since this woman, Annette knew of my problems, I told her that she too should call the Congressman's office and get help and gave her the phone number. I also supplied her with a ton of other information, including to contact JASA, The Legal Services Of The Elderly (she's 62 therefore can take advantage of this service and it's a free legal service) about the eviction issue, and they could also help with the SSI benefits and give her a new Adult Protective Service caseworker..I had known about JASA after my mother and I were facing eviction issues and due to them won the case in my favor
So I'm very, very sympathetic to her...we do talk on the phone occasionally and email each other, so I do listen to her problems that she is facing. But now, to be point blank she's being a pain in the assets...calling me practically every half hour, and rattling on...She has YET to call JASA or the Congressman's office--like what am I supposed to do? I CAN'T DO THIS FOR HER--I can't make the phone calls for her..she has to do this herself...When I went through my problems I did things for myself
Anyway...as mentioned in another discussion, I'm having that problem about depositing an IRS refund check that was due my deceased mother, but since I'm her sole survivor am entitled to yet my bank refuses to honor it. So sure to my vow to myself, I stated calling anyone and everyone today to get things rolling on my behalf...I am assigned a new IRS Tax Advocate who will help me sort things out..by email I contacted my Congressman...which was why I was assigned a Tax Advocate so soon as they must have contacted the Advocate's office..in other words they knew all about my case already! Last week I even emailed the Bank Commission, NY State Attorney, you name it everyone I can think of, including various consumer helplines like 7 on Your Side, Arnold Diaz's Shame on You, etc. I even called the IRS itself...
So I spent ALL day calling, mostly just to leave messages about my case...I stayed home waiting for call backs (got some, not all)--but point being, I WANTED TO KEEP THE PHONE OPEN so I wouldn't miss any calls as some of these people are friggin hard to contact. PROBLEM?? Yes, nearly every fifteen minutes my phone is ringing (my answer machine picks up) and it's Annette..I had already told her I need to keep the phone open...but it's like she's not listening and kept calling my number all friggin day long.
Now,...yes, I'm sympathetic, yes I'll listen to a person's problems, but like how many times does one have to tell a person...I need the phone line open?? I'm expecting my own important calls? I don't want to appear rude, or crass, or non-sympathetic...but like I said..I can't make these phone calls for her, she has to do them herself
Like crap...I do want to help her, I'll gladly listen to her, but she's obviously not helping herself, by picking up her own phone and make her own phone calls to these people she needs to contact and is instead calling me up all the time
How does one deal with a person like this? Have you ever had a person "latch" onto you trying to solve all their problems for them, when they need to do things on their own??...am I wrong to feel ticked off?
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25 responses
@jhl930 (3601)
• United States
8 Apr 08
i have had problems like that before and i know how much of a pain that can be to have someone like that just latch onto you and like refuse to let you go...i don't know exactly what to tell you to tell her unless one day when she is just going on and on about the ssi thing or whatever just say i have the number right here(and get the number)and say call them and see what tehy say and then call me back...and maybe that will help her a little bit and you don't have to do it in a mean way or anything...
jhl930
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
8 Apr 08
In some ways I've actually done that, but it's like she's just not listening to any of the advice I'm giving her...I've given her the phone numbers to call I don't know how many times and she just doesn't seem to be doing anything. So it's like next time I talk to her, I ask, did you call thosed phone numbers, and same thing...not yet..sheesh--it's like she rather tell her story of woe to me and just plain not do anything about it
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@LittleMel (8742)
• Canada
8 Apr 08
if she calls that often in a day then no I don't see why you are wrong being pissed off after all you need those people to call back. Why don't you use voicemail? Even if your phone is busy or somebody else is leaving a message, it can still record messages. And you can use phone booth to check your messages, don't need to go home to check them, so it's useful if you ever need to go outside where as at the same time you are waiting for a call back. We had problems with answering machine before, it cut off the messages before it was completed as if it was full while it was not - one among many problems. I ditched it and use voice mail ever since.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
8 Apr 08
I don't have voicemail for my phone service--regular phone, no cell phone...I perhaps could but would be more money and I'm a bit behind in my own phone bill to begin with
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@LittleMel (8742)
• Canada
12 Apr 08
it's not that much here, but yes if they ever raise the price I will switch to another phone company. maybe one day phone companies there can come up with more affordable package.
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
8 Apr 08
no not wrong guess ya hae to tell her point blanck call the people now while your thining of it and get started saving yourself from eviction! . Would bre good if ua had caller ID then you wouldnt have to answer her calls every time also can tell her to call after offic hours So you wont miss your call talking to her.
luck hugs
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
8 Apr 08
oh my thats just not rigjht
my neice used to all me odd hours like that when she was on the road shes a truck driver but then I change the rooms the phone is in and now she calls in the morning early when she knows I am up and in here hugs and luck with your person
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
8 Apr 08
Well I have an answering machine that acts as caller ID in a way..my phone isn't really equipped for caller ID anyway...Do you know that about a month ago she actually called me at 1:30 in the morning..yeesh
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@emeraldisle (13139)
• United States
8 Apr 08
I have had this happen and it's not an easy situation I know. No matter what you do you are going to end up feeling miserable or at least I have. I would suggest stop taking her calls if you can. If you have caller ID then just let the voice mail/machine take it. If not that then answer the phone and when it's her just say "I'm sorry I can't talk right now. I'll call you when I can sit down and chat." Don't give her a chance to start gabbing. Hang up and hopefully she'll get the hint. Then when you can give her a call and ask her right off if she called the people.
Something else to consider if she's not capable of handling her own funds she might not be able to deal with the situation. If there is someone you can call to report the problem I would suggest it. Not sure what all is available but perhaps she needs more assistance then she is getting.
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@emeraldisle (13139)
• United States
10 Apr 08
Sounds as if she is finally seeing the light? Maybe? I'm glad it's getting better for you with her. Maybe once her problems are solved she won't be bugging you as often.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
10 Apr 08
Well thank goodness I do have my answering machine and I have it on 24/7, so it always picks up. In an email to me she indicated that she finally did get around to some phone calls for herself, and for the past two days she hasn't called me a zillion times...thank goodness!
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
13 Apr 08
Certainly hope so...that is hope she won't bug me as much
@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
8 Apr 08
While I understand that you have your own problems right now... and don't want to be involve in someone else problems...
You lost sight of one fact...
If the woman is not capable of paying her own rent and need some assistance to do it for her...
How the heck is she going to deal with this problem?
She simply can't... period.
She either don't have the skills... or the confidence to do it...
So if you regard her as a friend... now is the time to come through for her... and make those phone calls for her. That is what friends do... unless you don't want to be her friend anymore.
But as you spend so much time trying to save the animals... I think saving that woman would be a worthwhile cause...
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
8 Apr 08
Aussie, that last line is hitting below the belt there a bit...and while it may seem I'm more of a "concerned" person about animals, it's not my life's mission every waking moment of the day
I've pointed to her all the avenues she can take to help herself...first of all she's not even a friend, friend, if you understand that...only someone I sometimes bump into on the way to the supermarket and only a few times have talked to her on the phone----I've actually had the phone off the hook the remainder of the evening tonight just to get some peace and quiet as I had important letters to rattle out so I can mail them off tomorrow--what really annoyed me one time about a month ago she actually called me around 1:30 in the morning! Like hey, unless it's a REAL emergency I don't appreciate someone calling me that late--my real true friends know not to do that to me, and believe me they all have their share of humdinger problems as well and yes, I will listen to them and help them if need be
Also, it's not like this woman is entirely alone in the world..she has a grown daughter that can help her out as well --I've even told her the phone numbers to call to get a better Adult Protective Service person to help her. I think my real resentment too, is that I went through this clinging vine, leech type person with my own mother--whom I lived with so I was constantly being drained by an emotional vampire--and that's how this woman is making me feel as well...like enough already!
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@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
8 Apr 08
OK... so you wanted to know how to get her out of her life.
There are no polite easy way to do it.
Some people simply cannot take "NO" for an answer. Even when you are rude to them.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
8 Apr 08
OH..when she called me that time at 1:30 in the morning I didn't pick up but my answering machine did...all she wanted to do was "chat"--nothing dire--think the woman has a few screws loose...
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@blackbriar (9076)
• United States
8 Apr 08
Dangggggggggg...I'd be ticked off if this happened to me. Never did thou. I guess the only thing you can do is just keep letting the answering mach. pick up. You could always contact the police but then you don't want her arrested for harassment either. Your right thou, she does need to make those phone calls herself and should of been doing that instead of calling you non-stop. Don't know what to say, pye. Dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
8 Apr 08
I actually have had the phone off the hook the rest of the evening. I don't know why she isn't getting in touch with her grown daughter to help her out, seems to latched onto me...gee, how lucky
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@TerryZ (22076)
• United States
8 Apr 08
No your not wrong to feel ticked off. Some people are just very clingy and expect others to do for them. She has probably been like that her whole life. I think you should just tell her she has to stand up for herself and help herself. There are some things you just have to do on your own. Thats what I would say to her. Good luck!LOL
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@GardenGerty (160978)
• United States
10 Apr 08
Maybe since she went on to make her own calls she now feels like she does not need you to hold her hand so much. Perhaps you gave her enough of a push that she found her wings.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
10 Apr 08
Thanks Terry...well so far so good, she hasn't called all day Tuesday or today (Wednesday)..she did email me telling me she finally did make some phone calls in her behalf..so sheesh, maybe she'll leave me alone...thing is, she seems to run hot and cold
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@youdontsay (3497)
• United States
10 Apr 08
Sounds like you need to set and maintain some personal boundaries with her. This may not be easy and probably not comfortable, but you need to tell her that you will only spend a designated number of minutes per day on the phone with her. When she goes over that limit simply remind her that she has used up her minutes for that day and you are going to hang up. If she continues to engage you, hang up.
You'll have to be assertive and persistent for it to work. And, like I said, it probably won't be comfortable for you if she is unable or unwilling to respect your boundaries.
You might make a deal with her that after she makes one of those phone calls she's supposed to make you will spend ten minutes on the phone with her, or some other similar arrangement.
Since she isn't competent to manage her own money she is probably rather child-like in much of her thinking as well. So you will have to teach her how to treat you.
Wouldn't it be nice if we didn't have to teach people how to be respectful of others? But sometimes we do. I had to teach a boss once. Now THAT was fun - not.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
10 Apr 08
Well one way I've set up boundaries is the mere fact I have my answering machine on 24/7 which is a good way for me to screen my calls. I'd rather communicate with her by email rather than tying up the phone--so she has to accept that. She did email me last night to tell me she's made a few phone calls to the places I told her
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
10 Apr 08
Gee, Pye, what I was going to tell you has already been posted and you said it didn't work - to tell her to call the numbers you gave her and to call you back after she does so. The only other thing I can think of - and this is one of those "do as I say, not as I do" things because I probably wouldn't be able to do it myself - is the next time she brings her troubles up to nicely tell her you're sick of hearing about it if she's not going to do what she has to do to help herself and that it's not going to take care of itself by her sitting on her duff and bi+ching to you about it. I'd let her know you don't mean to be rude or hurt her feelings but that nothing is going to change by her telling you about it every 15 minutes. If she's the type who is shy or uncomfortable making calls like that, maybe you could give her some tips on what to say, even write her a little "script" to get her started but other than that I really don't know what to say. I've known people like that already so I have an idea what you're going through. I hope the "Pain" subsides soon!
Annie
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
10 Apr 08
Nope don't think it's a question of her being "shy" about making phone calls..every time I bump into her she has a cell phone glued to her ear...LOL All that energy she's exerting calling me up and telling me her woes could be used instead to call these people I gave her the list of. She did email me though the other night and told me she did start making phone calls though
@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
8 Apr 08
The best thing I can tell you is to tell her just what you've said here...SHE needs to make the calls. You are trying to deal with your own problems and she needs to deal with hers.
As for her calling every few minutes, you may have to get outspoken with her and say "I'm waiting for a call and can't talk now" and hang up. She may get mad but she'll quit calling.
**AT PEACE WITHIN**
~~STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS~~
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@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
9 Apr 08
It's terrible that sometimes you have to get rude for ppl to get the message.
I have a friend up North that used to call, let it ring 4 times, the machine would pick it up, she'd hang up and then immediately call again. It annoyed the crap out of me. Then she did it one morning when I was sick and trying to sleep in a little and I got to the phone and let her have it. She's never done it since :)
**AT PEACE WITHIN**
~~STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS~~
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
9 Apr 08
I've just been ignoring the calls and let my machine pick up the calls...did email her late last night and told her that I need my phone open to receive my own calls from the places I left messages...well today,...no calls from her, so guess she got the hint
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
10 Apr 08
Good for you! Sometimes one really does have to be a bit rude to let someone know that their behavior isn't appreciated
@BarBaraPrz (47677)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
8 Apr 08
I feel for ya... I have a "friend" who seems to think I'm her personal slave. Unfortunately, we live a couple houses apart, so it's not so easy to avoid contact.
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@BarBaraPrz (47677)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
10 Apr 08
At least your phone line would be free...
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
10 Apr 08
I guess that's one blessing...that she doesn't live that, that close to me...crap, can you imagine if she was a neighbor of mine? Instead of calling she probably be "dropping" by every few hours
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@scarlet_woman (23463)
• United States
8 Apr 08
no,i'd be ticked off too.i'd just phone block her if possible and tell her she has to email only.
it sounds harsh,but you need to get your calls too.
you did tell her you needed the line open.
@scarlet_woman (23463)
• United States
10 Apr 08
cool-hopefully it resolved itself (so to speak).
*crossed fingers*
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
9 Apr 08
I did email her with the explanation that I need to keep my phone "open" for calls for the next few days...think she got the hint as not one phone call from her today..yea!!
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@4mymak (1793)
• Malaysia
8 Apr 08
hi...
i wondered how many times has anette called you since you post this discussion and me responding..
i do think you've done enough to help poor old annette.. and that she should be helping herself - you've already showed her and shared with her all the info, and ways of doing things...
i think -because she hasnt met anyone who has shown any real concern towards her in such a long time... it's just hard for her to let you go..
i am sure if she had another person whom she could 'tell her tales' to... she wouldnt be bothering you so much..
next time she calls - why dont you just tell her to call you only at a certain / fixed time... let's say.. 5pm onwards..
(if it was me.. i might even threaten her that i will not speak to her ever again if she doesnt comply to my 'phone-rules'.... well, me - am not such a nice person as you...)
good luck... and take care..
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
8 Apr 08
Mmmm...guess I'm too nice...LOL..Actually the rest of the evening I took the phone off the hook...I had some more letters to rattle out of my own that wanted to get done so I could mail off tomorrow--I can always email her about my phone rules..
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@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
8 Apr 08
Oh gosh pye... I know just the type of person this gal is and I so feel for you. They're leeches of the worst kind. You're going to have to be frank with her whether or not she's likes it because being nice to this type of person just doesn't work. Good luck.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
8 Apr 08
Amen to that...heck my own mother was such a leech..uh, used to "be honest" with her too..didn't work though..I just wish she would get in contact with her grown daughter...like, duh, why doesn't she?
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@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
8 Apr 08
Maybe you could do it? I mean, explain it to her daughter that you can't help her but she might be able to and besides, you have enough of your own problems and can't handle hers especially not right now (or ever but shhhh don't say that! lol) Maybe then her daughter will step up and help her mom. It's worth a try....
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@Thoroughrob (11742)
• United States
8 Apr 08
I would pick up the phone, tell her again that you have phone calls coming in and while she is waiting for you to call her back, make some of the phone calls that you gave her numbers for so she can tell you about what she found out, when you call her. Some people feel so lost, they don't feel confident enough to make the calls themselves. I would ask her nicely to not call back until she hears from you.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
9 Apr 08
I emailed her and explained I needed my phone kept open so if I get any call backs from the places I've been calling I can get them instead of being tied up with just her calls...must have gotten the hint as not one call from her today
@winterose (39887)
• Canada
9 Apr 08
logic dictates if she needs an adult worker she cannot do these things herself, I repeat she cannot do these things herself, or she wouldn't need an adult worker, the lady may have mental issues whatever, (remember I am therapist) She definitely needs an advocate (I have been one of those too) Advocates help those that cannot help themselves like this lady.
If you really want to help this lady, make two phones calls for her, one to the the agency she deals with an explain the situation and ask what is the best way to get an advocate for the lady to do the legal work and paper work and phone calling,
the second call is to the advocate to explain the situation and tell them to come and see her.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
8 Apr 08
Yep, it happens all the time. In fact, there always seems to be somebody bugging somebody in this house. About the only thing I can say from experienc, is that it is much kinder and easier all around to just get rid of them as soon as you know they are a nuisance. Don't advice them or accept favors from them. You'll live to regret it.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
9 Apr 08
I'm beginning to think she doesn't have too many friends....uh, with good reason maybe.. which is probably why she hooked and leeched herself onto me
@sid556 (30959)
• United States
8 Apr 08
yes I have had many friends in and out of my life that are like that. The ones that call constant, I just stopped answering my phone and let my answering machine pick up and call them back when I have time. I would tell them that I am busy and don't have time for chatting all day every day. My mom was one of the worst offenders when she was alive. she would drive to my place in another town and have me take her car to pump gas and refused to learn. She would also call me 500 times a day at least. exaggerating but she was one of the most dependent people i've ever come across. Sometimes you have to just be very blunt with this people and just tell them. I had one friend that showed up on her lunch break each day. I thought the world of her but grew tired of feeling I had to stop what I was doing and sit with her for an hour each day. I worked 2nd shift and it left me little time to get anything done before going into work. I was just honest with her and also made sure that she knew I did not want her to stop coming around ....just not every day. It worked and it did not hurt our friendship a bit.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
9 Apr 08
Yeesh..that reminds me of my neighbor next door...we no longer are that chummy for good reason.. When she found out years ago that I was home most of the time she would "invite" herself over...but just because I was home all day didn't mean I didn't work...used to develop my black and white film and prints at home and do studio photo shots in the living room...like duh? Like hey I'm busy lady, can't you see that??...after awhile she did get the hint that my time was valuable and did have to do my work
@Deea48 (1166)
• United States
10 Apr 08
The last friend that happened with was so many years ago, How do you help someone, who won't help themselves? It is so frustrating and annoying especaily if you gave them the solution and they ignore your advice. Then when the world really does crash they want you to save, but you can't. Argggghh, man I so understand that. I had to loose a very dear friend because of that kind of behavior. I just couldnt stand watching her destroy her life any more, or the lives of her children. Heart breaking really.. Good luck to you Pye, I do not blame you one bit for being ticked off.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
10 Apr 08
The real annoying thing is, is that her problems actually began a few months ago, and I gave her all that info months ago, so yes, it's like she waited until things really came to a "crash" and wants a quick fix to bail her out...like why didn't she call these places when I First gave it to her?? what was she waiting for??