Looking for a job is a full time job.
By pumpkinjam
@pumpkinjam (8770)
United Kingdom
April 12, 2008 2:57pm CST
I've been looking for a job, just a job, not any opportunity or get rich quick scheme, just a normal job. I'd forgotten how complicated and exhausting it all is. Filling in forms that actually take more hours than the job you're applying for. Then there are those "equal opportunities" forms which I don't like because, surely a genuine equal opportunities employer would have no need to ask about your background would they?
Then there are all those agencies and job search websites where, not only are they impossible to navigate, you have to fill in a million pages of waffle and fill in each seperate bit with different versions of the same answer and explaining why you want the job without saying "I need a job because what I've got isn't worth the time"? I had a NINE page form to apply for a "Midday Supervisor". This is one I really don't understand. No one actually CHOOSES that sort of job because they want to do it but the application form still asks those "what can you bring to the job and why do you want it" sort of questions.
Why does it all have to be so complicated and frustrating?
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
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13 Apr 08
I saw you post this just as I was going to bed. I was going to leave it until tomorrow but I can't sleep so here I am. I used to be one of those people that offered jobs with nine pages of largely superfluous rubbish required and much of it was because Local Authority/Civil Service/LEA jobs double as a statistics gathering exercise. The first thing that all Governmental organisations are expected to do is to recruit on a fair and open basis. This means that every applicant applies, is selected for interview and appointed on equal terms with other applicants. Ethnicity, sexuality, equal opportunities for example are there largely because the Government wants to know the demographic make up of the public sector labour force. It wants to ensure that it is attracting a good cross section of society. These figures get passed to the Government in what are called Annual Stewardship Reports and the data therein eventually finds its way to the UK Statistics Authority and is used to demonstrate achievement against UK national Governmental targets. Of course most of the stuff you fill in on the forms is relevant to the job you applied for. In the main the questions that you are asked are what are called "competency based". Rather than ask closed questions such as " have you ever poured custard to 300 juniors in 60 minutes", for which a correct answer might be "yes". Truthful, but doesn't tell the interview board much about your experience; they ask more open questions "please can you give an example of your experience of working in a restaurant environment, what was your role" and etc. The theory is that these give you wider scope to provide a more detailed answer that they can test against other applicants. I am not an advocate of these types of questionnaires for many non clerical jobs. They are, as you say, complicated and frustrating, and in reality I suspect not examined in too much depth. When I have been selecting staff I have always been more interested in relevant experience and enthusiasm for the job applied for, than anything else. One point about equal opportunities though. Organisations want to ensure that people that they employ are able to understand the importance of equal opportunities and diversity in the workforce. That's also why they ask the question in addition to satisfying the Government that they are recruiting on a fair an open basis. I never thought that I would have to explain that again in my life. I hope that it was of some use. At least as an explanation. What it doesn't answer is why employers expect the earth from you but don't give it in return or why they treat people that are not currently in the 9-5 routine as a lesser life force. I was always happy to have people with your type of background. You can work around childcare etc if needs be. They were frequently better organisers and managers intuitively than some of those that we paid a small fortune for in training.
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@pumpkinjam (8770)
• United Kingdom
13 Apr 08
That's a long and complicated answer!
I see what you mean about all the statistic type stuff. It really shouldn't matter though, who is applying. They can collect all that dat once people are employed. As long as they have information like that you're not about to kidnap a child if you want to work in a school or something.
I don't mind filling in the "why do you want this job" bits, what I mind is having the same question asked to me in different ways and trying to figure out how to answer without looking like I've said the same thing. I'm not very good at filling in application forms as it is. The agency ones are even worse, you fill in three different sections of "why would you be good at the job?", "What are your key skills?" and "What can you bring to this job?" and then you have to do it all again for each seperate application.
All this equal ops stuff is all very well but certain people are guaranteed interviews based on being in a certain group eg. disabled people are guaranteed an interview with some employers, there are specialist agencies for non-white people, etc. This is fine of course but I would personally rather employ people on the basis that they can do the job than give someone an interview because they happen to tick a certain box. I know where my mum works, they employ only white people. This isn't because they are racist or anything, it's only white people who tend to apply (and they are almost always women). They had a "token" Asian for a while who was just not capable of doing the job. Thankfully, her contract was not renewed. This is the kind of thing that bothers me with equal opportunities. That person got the job BECAUSE she was an "ethnic minority" and was only kept on as long as she was because of that. It would have been better to just employ someone on the basis of ability rather than background.
As for the really long application forms, well, if I'm applying for a job in a bank or something then I would expect that but applying for a 5 hour a week job as a dinner lady, surely one page will do.
@p1kef1sh (45681)
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13 Apr 08
You would have thought that they could collect that statistical stuff wouldn't you. But the Government has to demonstrate that it is casting its net sufficiently wide that no sector of the community feels disadvantaged by a selective recruitment process that discriminates against one sector whilst favoring another. Your Mum's white women workforce is a good example. I don't who she works for, but if they are a public sector organisation there will undoubtedly be questions asked, maybe only internally, about why those jobs don't attract sufficient members of the ethnic population. It may be there is some good reason why not, but all applicants have to be considered equally irrespective of their culture, ethnicity, gender etc. Guaranteed interviews for groups such as the disabled were brought in because people in those groups were seen to be under represented in the workforce nationally. I have no idea whether these schemes have created more employment for the disabled or not. We had a few. I had no complaints about their work. Indeed, some of them had disabilities that really made getting to and from work very difficult. But they managed it. Their collective attendance level was probably better than most of the able bodied workforce. But the schemes only get them an interview if they are otherwise suited for the job. It is not an automatic passport to success. You should always employ the person best suited, not the one that ticks all the political correctness boxes.
As for long forms and the fact that you have to repeat them. I loathe it. It is largely unnecessary I think. If you read the questions carefully they are probably asking you slightly different things - What was your role - How did you achieve it - were you successful - If you were to do it again would you do it differently etc. But I do find it ridiculous that the job that you have applied for should ask so many questions.
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@NeoComp (1316)
• United States
12 Apr 08
I can offer you a job that is FREE to join and you can make some nice money.
You don't need waste money, but you have to put some work into it. But it will pay.
Let me know if want to check it out.
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@pumpkinjam (8770)
• United Kingdom
12 Apr 08
If it is a real job with real work that is available in the UK and does not require and money to start up then yes, give me the info. Thank you.
@BUSSY1979 (1283)
• United States
12 Apr 08
i'm wondering that too.but i live in tha states,and i'm friends with him,
and have him on my friends list.i PM'd him about it.just like a sec aog.
hope to hear from him soon.
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@callarse1 (4783)
• United States
12 Apr 08
Hello pumpkinjam, how are you doing? Well, as for looking for a job is work. It's lots of work because you have to fill our forms and things. Have you considered going to a job/temporary agency? They help you get jobs a lot of time. You could also look in the paper or on the internet.
I think they just want to see if you would fit them for the job, otherwise they may not wnt you to work there.
Pablo
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@pumpkinjam (8770)
• United Kingdom
13 Apr 08
I have put my name down with a couple of agenices and spent hours looking on the internet. I've found a total of two jobs to apply for. You see, I have experience in lots of things, I have abilities in lots of things but what I don't have is the actual qualifications to prove I can do things. I found what would have been perfect until the part that said you had to be familiar with a certain computer programme which I had never used.
I think I mentioned before that so many companies expect flexibility but don't offer it and seem to want someone who can and will drop everything to step in.
@britany_renee (156)
• United States
13 Apr 08
I completely understand what you are going through and i feel for you. I had been a stay at home mom for the past two years and finally found a job. I've been working there for only a week, but it was a long and exhausting search. I ended up going through a staffing agency. I was hesitant at first cause I had never done anything like that, but my mother-in-law and sister-in-law had both been through it and had positive feedback. If you've never done it before, I would recommend calling around to them and asking what type of work they specialize in. For instance, I was wanting some kind of Administrative position, and a few of the staffing agencies focus on other things like general labor. It is also a good idea to check out references with these staffing agencies too! But once you find one that works well, it will take off in no time. you simply turn in your resume to them (some will even help you create one if you don't have one) and you may have to take a few tests (depends on your job preference...like for office work you may have to take a test to see how fast you can type, etc,) But then you have a short interview with the staffing agency asking what your experiences are and how much you would like to make, etc. Then they do the looking for you. I still kept looking for jobs while the staffing agency was looking for me, but they were a lot more successful than I was. So I definately am a fan of staffing agencies now if you are having trouble finding a job for whatever reason. good luck in your search!
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@bellelady (263)
• Philippines
14 Apr 08
i feel you.. thats what i need right now job a regular job.. just a job..that will make me happy. i felt so useless right now.. i felt like i am no good and nobody wants to hire me.. oftentimes during my frustrations i just wanna break down and cry.. geez.. sometimes i hate life.. its so hard..
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@pumpkinjam (8770)
• United Kingdom
14 Apr 08
It seems to me that employers only want to employ the kind of people who don't actually want the job. I've looked all over the place and it can be so daunting to filter through all the rubbish to find a normal, regular job. It seems like everyone expects you to be choosing a career. That's fine if you are but I can't see anyone actually choosing the kind of jobs I'm looking for for any reason other than the hours.
@rombi001 (941)
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13 Apr 08
You're right... With all the rules and all the qualifications, even for just a barman or waitor you would have to attend to an interview and send a CV. How stupid is that... Just get them to work for one day and see if they can manage...
But I guess for the more qualified positions you do need some sort of information about the applicant... but not nine pages :)
@pumpkinjam (8770)
• United Kingdom
13 Apr 08
The nine page application was for a school dinner lady. I dread to think how long it would be for a more qualified position.
@BUSSY1979 (1283)
• United States
12 Apr 08
i've looked for jobs myself all over my hometown,and came up with no luck neither.i thought that i was the only one that was having trouble with finding a jobe.apparantly there are others that are having trouble finding a jobe.i've not worked in a place in about 5 years aproximately.
i went to a place where they find you a job,and they looked at my record,and said that they couldn't hire me b/c the fact that i haven't been working in 2 years.HELLO! i didn't know that you had to have been working at least 2 years to get a jobe.stupid ppl.i still haven't found one yet,and so i've about decided to give up and just try to find a job on the internet doing something.i don't know.
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