Parents....that's two (2) people!

@MsTickle (25180)
Australia
April 14, 2008 4:35pm CST
Guys, I'm hoping you join in with this one too and share your opinion and experience. I'd like a balanced perspective. In the wild, or nature, animals give birth to their young and instinct comes to the fore. In your opinion, does this also happen with humans? The body takes over in the female and chemicals are induced to begin the birth process and the letting down of milk etc but in my opinion, women could not go on instinct to birth or tend their newborn because they don't have any. Neither mother or father has a natural instinct to know how to handle a new born baby. I think we are clueless, even if we are well read. We need help and support from medial staff, partners and family. We need instruction and back up. It's a bit easier with the second child, there is some knowledge but in my opinion the skills and knowledge must be learned...there is no instinct. Do you agree with me?
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• United States
14 Apr 08
I agree . I also believe that Wanting a baby is learned and isn't instinct. Or there are people who are born without this parent instinct. I have Never wanted a child . I have no maternal instincts whatsoever.And if you do have the desire to have kids you Do need to learn how to properly take care of them. And when you learn you still need support, even if there are two parents.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
17 Apr 08
I never even thought about being pregnant, becoming a mother. It just happened. I was encouraged to take care of myself when pregnant but I certainly didn't have a clue. I do not believe in maternal instinct. I learned to attune my sense of hearing so that when i couldn't see my kids I could hear everything they did. I learned to recognise every possible sound that indicated that things were ok with them. It's how mums can wake in the night if their child so much as snuffles or coughs. It's a learned thing that develops with the mum's sense of responsibility.
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• United States
18 Apr 08
The difference between us is when you became pregnant you were happy and strated learning how to be the great mom you are. Me, on the other hand would make appointment for the abortion. I don't have the desire to birth or raise a child.Luckily I know this so I take precautions so I will Never be pregnant.
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@mssnow (9484)
• United States
17 Apr 08
I'm not sure i agree wholeheartedly maybe partially. How did woman in cave man time take care of their young? There are woman who have no one around and they manage to take care of their children. They do have to learn how to feed their babies but I think they learn with trial and error. Human beings are smart and can figure things out for themselves. A mom knows that she needs food and clothes and shelter so she also knows her child does as well. In a way its part of instinct to know what to do. but it is easier to learn from someone more knowledgeable.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
24 Apr 08
That's it, as you say, we learn by trial and error...it's not instinctive.
• United States
17 Apr 08
Yes I sure do agree with ya
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
17 Apr 08
Right on Cajun. Seems the majority agree.
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@slickcut (8141)
• United States
15 Apr 08
In the animal kingdom it is born into the animal as a natural instint i agree..As for women the body does chand=ge as far as the milk coming down etc but i agree we need to learn how to care for our babies...Some things come natural and others do not...I do think the mothering instint kicks in ,however women has to learn it does not always come natural as it does in animals....
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
17 Apr 08
I think it's more a new sense of responsibility that kicks in. If we don't have any knowledge we would just fumble our way through it and hope for the best. These days there are lots of things in place for women to get the help and instruction they need with new babies.
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@yesah65 (157)
• United States
15 Apr 08
Normally, the parent's love for their offspring comes naturally, but no matter what you think you know, the rest is a matter of trial and error. I honestly don't know how some can just create a child then turn their back on them, as sometimes happens. My kids irritated me sometimes, but I'm sure we had the same effect on our parents. The secret is to never give up.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
17 Apr 08
I'm with you all the way here mate...good call. Welcome to the myLot site too.
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• United States
15 Apr 08
I think that there is some instinct that takes over but you are right we do need to learn how to take care of our young. I know that sometimes women have babies and go right on doing whatever they were doing before they went into labor but I think in those4 cases the woman has a lot of knowledge before labor to be able to do that. I get a big kick out of my daughter who has an 15 month old and I tell her how things were done 20 years ago. Funny thing all the rules have changed!!!!One year babies need to sleep on their backs the next they need to be propped on their sides. How can a grandmother keep up???
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
17 Apr 08
Things surely have changed. Once upon a time it was natural birth and now mums opt for caesarians. Go figure.
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@nannacroc (4049)
15 Apr 08
I don't think it is instinctive in humans. You have to learn parenting. If you have good parents you learn a lot from them but you also have to learn from the mistakes you make. I've always said that I would never say I was a perfect parent, I just made different mistakes with each child. If no-one teaches us how to be parents then I don't think we would be able to do it naturally. Human babies are so much more complex than animal babies and need more than just food and shelter.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
18 Apr 08
No I don't entirely agree with you because I believe humans still have instincts we just don't use them, we ignore them or deny them and they are sleeping in our subconcious. the first man and woman on earth had to figure out for themselves how to raise children.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
24 Apr 08
You've stated my case for me...thankyou. In your own words: "the first man and woman on earth had to figure out for themselves how to raise children." They had to figure it out. It was not instinctive to them.
• United States
15 Apr 08
I definitely do agree with you. Perhaps a hundred years ago we could have survived childbirth but even then I think they had a midwife available if there were complications. I think over the years it has been bred out of us with all the modern medical help we have become used to.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
17 Apr 08
Thanks for jumping in whiteheather. it's always great to see you.
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@ElicBxn (63594)
• United States
14 Apr 08
I think they've pretty well proved that the only instict humans have is a fear of falling, that starts about the stage where children develop binocular vision and ends when they figure out that the hole is covered with a clear protector - but it can still cause conserable fear in a child. Other than that, humans are up the creek on the instinct ladder - good thing we can teach other humans how to do things.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
17 Apr 08
I was thinking along these along these lines as well, in particular, in regard to heat. But it's not instinctive. Most of us have to burn ourselves by touching something hot before we learn to be careful. Animals use their senses. This is fear though, a learned concept, not instinct. As for teaching each other we've been passing along information from species to species, generation to generation since the beginning of time.
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@jennawash (161)
• United States
15 Apr 08
Wow, I hate to say it but I disagree with you. When I became a mother for the first time I was terrified when I was pregnant. I am an adopted child and was the first of my fiends to become pregnant. I had no one ot give me advise, no one to support me. I began to read Dr. Sears baby books and realized that being a mom was just based on your love for your child and plain old common sense. I also came to quickly realize that in the first month's of a childs life, the father is only there for moral support and to do the dishes, they really serve no other purpose...Sorry GUYS!!! Now I do believe that we have been trained to NOT TRUST our own instincts, therefore we are made to feel as though we don't have any. Our insticts are those little "voices" in your head that tell you right from wrong. If we follow those, we can always stay on the right track!!
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
17 Apr 08
Hi jennawash and a warm welcome to myLot. I'm afraid I don't understand your argument. You say you were terrified when you were pregnant. That tells me you had no instincts. Love for your child and common sense are just that, they are not instinctive. I think it's sad that in recent times, dads were not encouraged to play the role of father and participate in caring for the newborn along with the mum. When this is the case, I believe their sense of responsibility doesn't get a chance to develop until the child is older and that's a huge loss to both father and child. The voice in my head is my conscience that tells me what is right and wrong...not instinct. My conscience knows what it has been taught. I think instinct is confused with a sense of responsibility and learned fear. Brightest blessings to you and I hope you enjoy your time spent here.
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• Australia
26 Apr 08
Sadly, over the years, us humans have lost the ability to rely on instinct. We are conscious thought driven so don't listen to what instinct is telling us. Fortunately for me, I've always listened to my instincts and found that when I do, everything works out better. Even child birth and caring for my babies, though it can be rather tough at times.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
15 May 08
I've seen some Mums have a natural tendency to be good mums...perhaps this is their instinct.?
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• Australia
9 Jun 08
But even a natural instinct takes hard work. It isn't always easy to put aside panic factors. Nor is it the same with every child. Every woman has the mothering instinct, some just have to dig deeper to find it.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
16 Jun 08
I was watching a program on TV recently that had me leaning towards the side of instinct so I will go along with what you are saying here. I think we are possibly stuffing up our lives unnecessarily. Things are getting too complicated.
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@babykeka80 (2084)
• United States
14 Apr 08
I could not agree less with you. When I had my first daughter I knew exactly what position I needed to be in and everything else. The nurse kept insisting for me to lay flat on my back as I was screaming to turn on my side. Come to find out the baby was coming face up and the one thing that would have helped turn her was me flipping on my side. I have never seen a more natural instinct than the birthing process. Medical staff have made birth a medical procedure instead of a natural process so women now believe they need medical attention. In fact, most of the c-sections given are not necessary but are given for the simple fact that the doctor does not want to take any sort of risk of being sued. This is particularly high in the U.S. Most other countries look at the birth of a child as a beautiful natural process but the united states looks at it more like a medical procedure. If we had no instincts how did so many women give birth before all these fancy medical facilities popped up. My exes grandmother gave birth to 10 kids at home with no medical professional. All healthy babies one was over 10lbs.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
15 Apr 08
You said it and I said it ...giving birth is a natural process, I heartily agree with you. Instinct has nothing to do with it.
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• United States
15 Apr 08
well if you think about it the question is do humans have the instincet? since adam and eve a child was born and by instinct they had the chlid and raised the child to adulthood and then another child was born and so on and so forth. Hmmmmm so when was the doctor born? ever heard of midwifes. My oldest brother was born at home by my Mom and Dad and her mother only. No doctors or nurses just regular people having a child. the natural birth process came to be and a child was born. So do you think we dont have the instinct to survive? Put the human to the test and we have survived so many things giving birth was the beginning.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
15 Apr 08
Well, yes and no! With my first child it was always instinct and I knew what to do. And I did it right. Of course, I needed to be shown how to bathe and some basic stuff...but I picked it up real quick....like I was always meant to be doing it. But having talked to my friends...I know that's not always the case....most of my friends didn't have the instinct. I was laid back with my second one...but he's very different from the first. And I had to re-learn most of it (maybe because of the age gap of more than 6 years...I forgot quite a few things till I got down to doing it). I feel it's different for different people...some people have the instict and some have to learn it. I'm not sure I can generalize either way...don't know which group is more.
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@emeraldisle (13139)
• United States
15 Apr 08
I agree with you. Yes the act of birth is fairly instinctive but the raising of the child is not. Now some may have more instincts on it then others but many have no clue. Most mothers and fathers with their first baby are lost without someone to assist them or to share information. In the past most mothers and fathers had an older generation to give them guidance, that isn't always the case now a days and often we look to medical staff or other sources of information to guide us. It's one reason why so many copies of Dr. Spock's book is sold. We don't have the inborn knowledge needed and we do have to learn. Now some of us might have learned as a child when we played with dolls and later when we babysat but that still is very limited knowledge.
@raydene (9871)
• United States
15 Apr 08
Honey I disagree. If something happened and someone had to instinct would kick in... We close our minds to what our body tells us! It's still there! xoxoxoxoxoxo
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@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
15 Apr 08
Unfortunetly no it doesn't happen for humans. That's why so many of the women need their mothers or the like to help them when they first get home because they don't know what to do. The second time around is much easier for then both parents have some experience and have an idea of what to do.
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15 Apr 08
Yes I do sort of agree with you. When I had my first child back in the 60's we both loved her but were a bit afraid of picking her up and actually hurting her she was so small. With the second one it was different and we did not feel like this at all. I did not feel any natural instincts on how to care for her but I read lots of books and hopefully did not do a bad job with either of them
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@madlees (1377)
• India
15 Apr 08
Dear MsTickle, I think you mean is that we are taught by the elders what we have to do and what not. We are always told what to do by the elders at home. They have been helping us with all the things we are supposed to do not only in looking after the children even how to etc. Because we get advised for each and everything our natural instinct goes haywire. We are not able to think naturally. But for animals there are no elders to advise them each and everything. So they have to relay on their instincts to look after the kids. there are stories in Hindu mythology of children born in the wilderness, without th help of others. They delivered the babies like in the olden days, in crude way, cleaned themselves up and just walked off with their babies. Am I right? We have lost our natural instinct our looking after things without the help from others.