413 Child Abuse Cases!

It's sad and confusing and has me thinking a lot more about other "peaceful" religious communities that don't want to join the world and look all perfect. Lol, but why don't you think women want more than one husband?

Yeah, any woman who would want more than one of you would have to have two full time jobs just to pay for all that preparation H!

I don't see why it might hurt religious freedom. I could be wrong though. As I said, I believe LDS and even Amish are cults. These people are more than likely all mentally abused. It seems a little bit wrong to shelter yourselves and your children from the world that much. I have dealt a lot with CPS and know from experience that they don't very often come and take children without a good reason. They don't like to do that, it's a great responsibility, not to be taken lightly.

Could you kindly copy and past here for me where I said to "round up" all the Amish children because they are "different"? I wouldn't want to see any Amish children taken from their homes. I have read many books and have even been in Amish homes and have had some for friends. I have even been hit on by an Amish man in a bar. We have a wallmart in our town and a farmers market. They come into Wall Mart all the time. Last week I even saw a group of them traveling at 5am in a bus station. I sell things at the market and so do they. I deal with them or see them at least once a week. I can accept them being different. Maybe you are only noticing their difference. I see them as human beings, as people who desire to go to school and learn to flourish just as my children do. Children who desirve to choose to go past the 8th grade or stay home and raise children, weather it be the mother or the father. Or how about even being able to marry someone who isn't Amish? What I have a problem with is any group that enslaves their followers by telling them what to do, where to go or how to live. When was the last time you heard about or have ever seen an Amish student in collage? Don't you at least think there is something wrong with not allowing a child to go to school past the 8th grade? You don't see anything wrong with a culture that even keeps track of how many pleats you have on your bonnet? They speak English, Dutch and have another language that have all of their own yet their Bibles are written in German. They don't speak and are not taught German. They have Bibles but can't read them, how can they understand them? All their names are about the same. The women basically all have the same life to look forward to. Outsiders very seldom want to join their communities and are not even often welcome to join. So they are pretty much left to marrying relatives. The life the women have to look forward to is a life of getting married young to start having babies as soon as possible, as many as your body can take. Sure, they are "free" to leave any time they want but leaving means probably never seeing your family again. It means leaving your family, your religion, your everything. How does an Amish person come out into our world who may have never seen a cell phone go about it? The government ignores them because they are a "religion". Because they are "different". Shouldn't we at least check into things to make sure children are not being abused? I could go on and on but I won't. I will pray what I say hasn't fallen on blind eyes. I would like to advise you to use your electrical internet connection to check into things for yourself. If I'm wrong than good because If I am, than that means no children are being abused as we look the other way because they are "religious" or "different". Here are some links you may or may not find useful about the Amish. http://www.ptm.org/06PT/MayJun/amishParadise.pdf http://www.ptm.org/av/asxgen.asp?folder=audio&stream=Joe%20Keim%20Interview.wma http://www.amishdeception.com/Home.htm A great book to read is called Growing Up Amish, an inspirational story by Ann Dee Olson. I just read it a couple of months ago.

What I thought was wrong was your comment that they are a cult. I felt it was disrespectful. Just because you do not agree with their beliefs does not make their religion invalid. I agree that a child not going to collage is not abuse. But it is very sad if education isn't even a choice isn't it? Not all cults are evil but there is something that doesn't set right with me about the Amish. As I told you I see them and talk with them all the time. I have been observing them all my life, when I was little, I wanted to be one. I don't think the government should try to break them up or anything. From what I see they will bring an end to themselves within the next 50-100 years anyway. They come out in the world too much. As I said, they are in Wallmart all the time, they see all the technology. I was talking to a couple of boys in their yard once when another teenage boy went by on a 4 wheeler, I saw the look in his eye, he even knew what kind it was. They buy all kinds of plastic toys and even have the new plastic lunch boxes now. They won't use electric in their houses but will use gasoline generators in their barns. They won't drive or own a car but will ride in one. They can't own a phone but they can use their neighbors or the one at the phone booth that they have in their community. It's as if they are not allowed to learn or grow. Some of the men have good personalities but the women are very mechanical and bland. They have a lot of health problems, they interbreed because they don't want any "English" people in their communities.

Yes, I know freedom of religion does not mean freedom from the general laws of society. I'm quite sure there has been a lot of verbal abuse to ruin their self esteem also. It makes me ill to think of what those poor children have been subjected to. I know CNN has been watching them and the others in Colorado and Utah for years. I really never thought children have been getting molested though, right in front of all of us. How were we to know though. I'm believing this will put an end to the entire cult.

It might just be the state of Texas that requires them to all have separate lawyers. I don't get it either, they don't have to here in the state I live in. I'm believing it will all get worked out and the women and children will all leave. Hopefully now they will adjust and flourish and be grateful they are now free from religious legalism. I'm wondering why no men have been arrested yet and why they don't ever show their cowardly faces. Yeah, we women can't even get our husbands to take the trash out much less be able to get more than one to live together in peace.

It's scary isn't it that that could happen in this country in the 21st century? If the law officials are like the ones in Colorado or Utah, they are part of the community, they not only allow it to happen but also partake in it. I'm praying this will put an end to all of it. I gave up trying to "train" the one I had after 8 years. Really, who could put up with living with more than one man?

I think they did the only thing that they could. Until they find out differently, they had to assume that all 413 were in danger and they were if the accusations of the person that called in are true. Personally I think it's better to over-react where a child is concerned than to under-react.

I agree that people over 8 should be able to choose. I couldn't do it either and I believe it's against Gods will but I don't feel it's any of my business as long as they are allowed freedom to choose, can leave any time and they aren't trying to tell me I have to live like that. I pray they have some strong evidence to go as far as to remove 413 children from their homes. I would think if they didn't suspect something they wouldn't have gone to such extremes. I know from experience that you have to be a really, really bad parent for CPS to even think about removing a child. Here where I live they open a case and investigate for 6 months. If they don't find any kind of abuse, they send you a letter saying it's been unfounded. Tomorrow it goes before the judge, we shall see. "I think they did the only thing that they could. Until they find out differently, they had to assume that all 413 were in danger and they were if the accusations of the person that called in are true. Personally I think it's better to over-react where a child is concerned than to under-react." I'm with you Loving, and the more I think about it the more I think they feel they have a strong case. Anyone in their right mind would think long and hard about the numbers here and the sensationalism, not to mention the trauma to the children and the mothers... Lets just pray these social workers are in their right minds. One more thing, any good social worker in the area has probably heard things and have been keeping an eye on the place. They may have been waiting for the day they could put a stop to it.