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Do you think it should've been Hillary's time to shine?
@flowerchilde (12529)
United States
April 16, 2008 1:41pm CST
I can't help thinking that this should have been Hillary's time! Possibly first woman Prez and all.. I mean first African-American Prez would/could be a good thing as well.. but Mr. Obama is very young and has a few decades yet to get this far.. Oh, well, he likely got swept up in events. But I still think of it as unfortunate.. like Hillary (and women) might be able to say "I got robbed!" - Whadya think?
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@AnimeMom (516)
• United States
16 Apr 08
Ugh, As a warning Please do not take offense to this. But it really shouldn't be about woman or black man getting the office. It should be about the best cannidate. And that is most deff not Hillary. She is running off star power, she didnt do any thing special or fantastic as senator for new york. Tell me honestly, don't you find her constanty changing policies to be annoying? It's like voting on prom queen, you vote for the most popular girl. When a truly good female cannidate comes along i'll vote for her in a heartbeat. But you shouldn't vote for Hillary just because she was the first.
@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
16 Apr 08
Actually, Mccain's ma man.. But I do find myself feeling bad for Hillary.. and I suppose I think she would do as well as anybody else.. I don't think Mr. Obama has a lot of experience or good things under his belt either.. Basically I like all the candidates and parties, and think they mean well.. it's just who's view and idea for policy I agree with the most [or which view(s) will lead to disaster the more slowly!]
- I agree we should all vote for who we believe will do the better job, not because of race or gender.
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@revdauphinee (5703)
• United States
17 Apr 08
if we get mc cain as president and maybee condaliza rice as vice pres we will have condoliza and the geezer !hes to old and we dont need more of the same as Bush wich will be what we will get!the only choice is Hillary everyone knows only a woman can clean up after a man makes the mess@
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@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
17 Apr 08
We'll likely get whatever the mainstream media has been pushing for these last eight years..
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@Pitgull (1522)
• United States
17 Apr 08
I don't think we got robbed. I think if the female candidate had been someone other than Sen. Clinton, it may have been much different. Mind you, David Koresh happened under the Clinton administration. A Democrat allowed the invansion by ATF into US Citizens homes, destroyed with tanks and fire. NAFTA was signed under the Clinton Administration. Her husband showed the country he doesn't have respect for her and continues to butcher her campaign. Not to mention "misremembers" being under sniper fire? Either you were or you weren't.
Sen. Obama is not like anything we've had in office. He brings forward problems our country has, he has no problem putting it into words. He's not tainted by all these lobbyists and seems to invite a fresh, younger look to politics. He gets people interested, provides us the information we need to know so we can be informed and more of a part of the election process, and seems to be raising much more American awareness. Which is something we need. Our country needs a repreive from the old, stale, tainted politics. Our people need to be informed and we need to start making changes.
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@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
22 Apr 08
It seems to me those promises are made every campaign season.. I'm 52 now and I've yet to see any of the said changes in politics come to pass.. All I've seen accomplished is the quality of the society (as compared to before the 60's) go steeply downhill. One thing that disturbs me quite a bit is that Mr. Obama, as well intentioned as he is, is against the "live baby protection act".
@Pitgull (1522)
• United States
22 Apr 08
There's probably a lot more to his decision than we may believe. Women go through abortions, for many reasons. Sometimes it has to do with what they put into their bodies while they were pregnant, and didn't know, and wouldn't want their child to have problems because of what they did to themselves. The woman knows better than anyone what the fetus or child endured inside of her, whether or not she'd be in the position, or healthy enough to take care of the child. Maybe he's taken this position because he's afraid if he were to support it, then his position on the topic would be grounds for more legislation AGAINST abortion and womens rights, and that is not something I believe any man can rightfully decide.
Considering Bush's opinion on abortion, I can understand why he started enacting different laws. If you watch what happens in this country, the moment we agree there is a problem, they try to take more away from us. I believe children need parents that love and care for them, I also believe that people are entitled to happiness and their health, I am also pro-choice. I believe women need a lot more support and understanding when it comes to something so life changing as a child....
@emeraldisle (13139)
• United States
16 Apr 08
Although I agree this nation is ready for a female president Hillary has only herself to blame if she isn't getting the votes. It has nothing to do with Obama or anyone else for that matter. She is her own worst enemy. When we vote we should be looking at who can best do the job and she certainly isn't it. She wasn't robbed at all in this. She blew it and did so big time. She has been caught not paying her bills, in saying one thing to on group and then the opposite to others, she tries to manipulate people to get them to her side and it has backfired.
This isn't her time to shine at all. She should never have run in the first place in my opinion. She has set herself up to fail and maybe that is what she wants so she can go "Oh I was robbed, poor me".
@emeraldisle (13139)
• United States
20 Apr 08
I can just picture the book and of course going on the talk shows about it. She'll probably make a fortune of it.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
17 Apr 08
I do not like choosing a president based on gender nor race. You have to choose according to the policy and whether whomever it was will do a good job. And if you decide that Hillary should be one because she is a woman and a woman will be best, you are not showing good judgment. For one thing, many women will chose a woman president thinking that she will be for the woman's right to choose abortions, but what if she is not? After all you all chose a woman president because she agreed with a woman's point of view, but it was not all women. If you chose her because she is a democrat and helps the poor and middle class, what if the next election, Hillary decides not to run. It is interfering with her family and another woman decides to run, but she is not for raising the taxes to help the poor, but you elected her because she is a woman.
Therefore you should choose based on whether that person will be a good president, whether that will help America and not on race nor gender.
@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
18 Apr 08
Agreed! (My man's actually McCain, tho as a rule I like all candidates, but agree more with some, of course) - But it just seems to me as though Mr. Obama 'stole' some of her thunder (as another poster summarized it).
@revdauphinee (5703)
• United States
16 Apr 08
obama will get us in a worse mess than were already in and everyone knows it takes a woman to clean up after the men get through messing up things
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@revdauphinee (5703)
• United States
17 Apr 08
my comment was made tounge in cheek as a joke personaly i am not crazy about any of the choises we have this time its going to be the lesser of three evils for me this go around!
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@jalucia (1431)
• United States
17 Apr 08
I kind of see what you're saying. Hillary seems to have put in a lot more work to arrive at this point, than Obama. And, lots of people have been waiting for the day when she would run for Prez. It's kinda like Obama just appeared on the scene and stole her thunder. Either way, though, both candidates have made history just by running for office and being taken seriously. Appointing either one of them as president, will lead this country in a new direction. And, maybe, that's what we need. Supposedly, it's really us, the people, that run this country. That's why it's so important to vote.
@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
17 Apr 08
Ah! "arrived on the scene and stole her thunder" is exactly what I meant!
- I don't however, as much as I'd like to, put much stock in a new direction.. Unfortunately, I think both parties are pretty much same old, same old.. just a game of vilifying one another for votes.. as to policies I think all the candidates and both parties mean well, it's just different ways they have of looking at things and how to solve things or make things better.. but frankly, I think the parties are too focused on votes (thus derailing each other's administrations) to ever really get anything done, as they both sabotage the other party and efforts and view each other as our most dangerous enemy.. I just hope the people don't get as polarized..
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@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
17 Apr 08
p.s. I kinda think whoever (the media?) forms public opinion the most, runs the country! Maybe I'm getting a little cynical!
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
17 Apr 08
Yes, the Democrat nomination was Hillary's. She owned it. However, she also gave it up. Why? Because Democrats got to know her too well. Now, instead of the expected corronation, she's in the fight of her life. She has no one to blame for that but herself.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
17 Apr 08
It's not or yet. I get to vote for Hillary in a few days in the Pennsylvania primary and I hope that's not as far as it goes.
Yes, I did think that this was her time to shine and I'm saddened by the thought that it might not happen. I've no doubt there will be an African American president in the near future. If not Obama, somebody else will be along. The changing demographics of the country guarantee it. I doubt there will be another serious female contender for many, many years. Possibly not in the lifetime of anyone now living. I just hope people in Pennsylvania will wake up, see how right she is for the job and give her a landslide large enough to make even the DNC take notice.
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@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
18 Apr 08
I'm pretty much a diehard moderate conservative (but almost always like all candidates and both parties too) but still I can't help getting caught up in the race between Hillary and Mr. Obama.. and I like Hillary much better and am rooting for her to come out the winning presidential candidate, besides I figure Mr. Obama has a lot of time yet to run again, whereas Hillary likely doesn't, or so many say..
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
17 Apr 08
Nobody will be happier or prouder than I will be when we get our first female President, but I don't want it to be because it was "her turn" or to be just because she's a woman, whoever she may be. I think it was prematurely accepted that Hillary would be the Democratic nominee this year and Obama seemed to come from out of nowhere so it sure is ironic and surprising that we have the first "serious" female and African American candidates at the same time. I've heard the saying that "Democrats fall in love and Republicans fall in line" and looking back over previous elections that seems to be true. Democrats don't tend to nominate someone because it's his or her "turn" and I'm glad, it really shouldn't be based somehow on "seniority".
Annie
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@us2owls (1681)
• United States
17 Apr 08
I never thought it was Hilarys time to shine. I saw enough of her trying to shine when Bill was president. She even went to something other than her home State to get into the Senate. She is from Illinois - and lived for years in Arkansas - why didn't she run for the Senate from either one of those - probably because she knew she wouldn't get elected. If she loses out on the Democratic nomination she has nothing else to blame but her own mouth and herself. I would love to see a woman President in my lifetime but I sure hope it isn't Hilary Clinton.
@janisspaggiari59 (656)
• United States
19 Apr 08
Having a woman President would be more exciting and historic than having a first black man President because you take away the color and he is still a man and we've always had men Presidents.Its time for a woman President and I will feel really bad and yes robbed if Hillary doesn't get the job.After all women like Hillary just don't come around and run for President and there is only one Hillary.
@janisspaggiari59 (656)
• United States
20 Apr 08
I hear she has done a good job in New York.I would be proud to have her as a senator in my state of Washington.
Remember that she is only human and allowed to make some mistakes as we all are.I don't pay any attention to all the character assasinations of Hillary,Bosnia whatever.I still think she would make the best President we have had in a long time.
@elbryan683 (4)
• United States
20 Apr 08
You are very right, there is only one Hillary Clinton, for which I am very happy. And I have never been opposed to seeing a female president. However, like previous posters you need to look at the bigger picture. Not whether you think a "woman" will do a better job as president than a "man", but rather whether the PERSON will do a better job. I personally do not see senator Clinton doing a good job as president. She reminds me too much of John Kerry with his flip flops on his policies and his relying on stardom to win him votes. Senator Clinton is sneaky, she had to run for a senate seat in a state she never had anything to do with prior to her running. I grew up in the state of New York, and personally i am embarrassed to admit that I am from there given that she got elected to our law making body from my state. She lies to make herself look better, just look at her comments about "dodging sniper fire" in Bosnia.
@Emma_Wang (210)
• China
17 Apr 08
maybe ,i also hope that the Hillary can be the first women prident that in american.