Christian Lies Exposed

hello, after reading your post i have to wonder why would you like to expose Christians., did they do something wrong with you in the past nor present? i, for one, dont have the proof of my religion nor anybody's God i just know I BELIEVE and for me that is already good enough, rather, great enough reason for me to believe. though i know there are some that religions that bothers me a lot coz i see how others follow them without thinking of the effects. I was raised catholics but after seeing the flaws of it then i stop going to church but i still believe that there is a God (higher creature) up there who takes care of me and listen to my prayers. btw, i am not a bible reader nor do i know any scripture except john 3:16 so i cannot debate you with that, i just live what i believe that is to LOVE and respect anybody in this world. hope i express my self clearly. thanks a lot and welcome here! takecare!

You are a little confused, I fear. 2. There is no scriptural contradiction to free will, indeed free will is implied by scripture. all the best urban

First of all, I would take issue with your classification of these four points as necessarily elements of 'Christian' doctrine. There are certainly people who call themselves Christian who might agree with one or more of the points you mention but there are also many committed Christians who would dispute the interpretation you choose to put on these statements, to the point of denying the truth of them absolutely! I am sorry that your experience of Christianity appears to have led you once to believe that these have anything to do with the message of Jesus. You are wrong. The message of Jesus is simple: 1) There is a God, one only, who is the Creator of all and who loves us, cares for us as He cares for all of His Creation. 2) He created us with free will to choose to acknowledge and love Him or not. Loving God involves loving His Creation also, and especially our fellow-humans - our 'neighbours' - as we love ourselves. We can either live in the knowledge and accordance with Creation or choose to live selfishly. Living, behaving and thinking in a way that is at odds with the Way of Creation and love that He shows us is what we call 'sin'. 'Hell' and the 'pit of fire' are later constructs and are highly poetic and allegorical. In truth, we have the choice to love and work with our Creator or to work against Him. Working with Him - following the path he shows us - may be hard, even painful, but it also brings joy. Working against Him can only bring pain - as struggling through thorns to make our own path brings pain. 3) This is a universal truth and not specifically Christian. Jesus brought the message to the Jews but others have brought essentially the same message to other peoples. 4) The best parts of 'religion' set out rules for people to follow in order to teach those who have not yet experienced (or met) God the truths that He will always teach us Himself, if we learn to listen to Him. Unfortunately, these rules and doctrines have often been misinterpreted and expanded on so that they proscribe the simple truths. Often these rules and doctrines have been made solely in an attempt to make people adhere to the 'religion' by fear rather than love and acceptance. Religions have grown to become social and political bodies rather than paths to freedom and this is why many right-thinking people are confused by them and come to reject them entirely, ignoring also the truths that they teach. Much of scripture is concerned with this social and political organisation and its history and attempts to justify it in the light of what was believed about God at the time. It is mixed in with other writings in which a mind that understands poetry can find the seeds of truth. To interpret such writings in a literal sense may be highly misleading! Religions generally begin by being a way to unite and instruct believers but, since they are a human institution - not 'of' but 'for' God - they generally come to be dominated and controlled by people who have lost their 'way to God' and listen rather to human, political ends. This does not mean that religion is entirely bad. As humans, we generally have a need for social organisations and a fellowship with others who think the same way and we also have a need for simple explanations of a Being who is beyond our current comprehension, as one explains the wonders of the universe to a child before he comes to understand higher physics!

this is a great descussion, I have also read that you can be forgiven for any sin apart from denaial of god and the holy ghost ect. and the only way you can be in denial of anything is through just thinking about it. so you will spend eternatiy in hell if you begin to question ang think about the faith your told is the truth.

Christian lies? sounds more like some cult gat a hold of you and scrambled your thinking. First of all you need to seperate certain churches dogma from scripture, secondly if you realy want to understand the scritures you need to understand, greek, aramaic,and hebrew. A few other anciant near east religions wouldn't hurt.

hello. those 4 things that you said that are lies of Christians are not true. and they don't contradict the scriptural writings in the Bible. first, Christians will be the only one who will be saved. the Bible says that those who believe in Jesus will be saved. 2nd, Christian are given a free will. actually all of us are given free will. even the people who say that they are not Christians have free will. isn't that you're the one who decided to post this discussion? so you used your free will to post this discussion. you too have a free will. 3rd, yes we christians believe that we are already saved because we believe in Jesus. and it says in the Bible that, whoever believes in Him will not perish but will have eternal life. 4th, its in the book of Revelation that, lots of man will be burned and be punished in the pit of hell. its because of our faith that we claim this things. my friend whatever happened to you, i pray that God will enlighten you about His word.

well, since you claimed to have detailed knowledge I shall ask you to present your case in a more convincing manner. 1. Where in the Christian Doctrine in there that says only Christians will be saved? In my entire reading of Christian theology I have never ever come across anything like that. 2. How do you define Free Will? 3. Where in the Bible do you find that Christians are not saved now? 4. Wrt to the 4th point I wish you had said 'SOME Christians believe that billions will be burned in a pit of fire for a torturous eternity'. Christians have difference of opinion regarding that for nearly two thousand years now. And I would not like to put all the Christian together in one category. I fear you have not read the diverse theological positions available in this regard.

You have started a very controversial subject here. I am not sure which denomination of church you went too but it sounds like one that might be very strict. I believe in God and I consider myself a christian. I interpreted the Bible as saying God loves me and lets me do whatever I want. Whether it be right or wrong. He still loves me no matter what I do. He wants me to do right but its my choice. I am not really sure about the pit of fire and burning in hell. I have never read anything in the Bible about that, but I'm sure its there. I do not go to church as most churchs are way too strict and my interpretation of the Bible is different from most. My philosophy is: help others, live life full, be nice treat others with respect and do what you know in your heart is right and you will be in favor with God. I am not here to argue what you say but just to tell you that not all Christians believe exactly the same thing. Because we Have free will to do as we want.

1.Whosoever trust Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour will be saved. 2.Every body will have a free will.3. Of course if you accept Jesus Christ as your personal Saviour you can be 100% sure about that.4. Yes that is true, every one who is not taking their precaution as metioned in other points will be find their place in the Hell.

First of all, you don't give which Christian doctrine you are comparing to God's word. To have a debate, all facts are needed, not just those you wish to share. To get all the facts, you need more knowledge. Did you know that if you ask God to give you understanding of His word, He will? Did you also know that our God instructs us not to cast our pearls before swine? Do you understand it's meaning? If you need to find this scripture in the bible, I suggest you look for it. Maybe you'll gain the needed knowledge for your debate along your reading path? But then you would have to admit that there really is no debate... Also, scripture from the bible shouldn't be taken out of context. This will NOT lead to full understanding. I will pray for you.

Beijair,Your answers lay closer than you know, you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Plain and simple adhere to James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, LET HIM ASK OF GOD, that giveth to ALL men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him". The belief in God and Christ is where you need to start. Understanding and accepting that there is only one Omnipotent God is most crucial, when you receive confirmation about Him, then you will receive confirmation that Gods only begotten son Jesus Christ is our Savior, it is then that you become a "Christian"(believer of Christ). God has given us free will to make these decisions, his plan allows us to do and believe what we want, but knowing that "there must be opposition in all things". You can apply this to anything in life, whether it be religious, social, or scientific.(Good(God) vs. evil(satan), hot vs. cold, pain vs. pleasure, action vs. reaction, etc....the Ying and the Yang) There has been so much given to us to know the truth, we just need to be able to seperate ourselves from worldy, mortal things and discern the truth. You can read all these opinions, but it still comes down to You and God.(refer to my second sentence. I wish you well in your search, Tom

Do I understand this right,if you dont worship and beleive in god then you will burn in hell or damnation or your body will be burnt,whatever the punishment is today.It seems to me that this god is a little like a spoilt child,if you dont do as I say then you will be punished .It doesnt sound like god is the very forgiving and loving god everyone is talking about.What happend to love thy neighbour,I dont remeber anything theat said love thy neighbour ,but only if he worships god.I have all ways understood that to be any neighbour of any religion.Im a non beleiver by the way and my own morals tell me to like everyone I dont care if they like me or not.Its live and let live

Although Im not a christian but I know one thing that all the religions are based on faith. If oyu try to scrutinise you will end up having no conclusion. So I dont know anything bout lies or someting like that.

Ok, I'm a bit confused by the question. Are you saying that the 1, 2, 3 and 4 that you have listed is something that the Bible claims or "Christians" in general claim? I am a new believer and got saved a little over 2 years ago. I don't know everything there is to know about the Bible as I'm still seeking answers and learning but I will try my best to explain my beliefs and what I have learned in my 2 years. I have learned that the only way to Heaven is to be saved by Jesus Christ and to live a Christian life every day by following and obeying the word of God (the Bible). You aren't a Christian until you are saved. Once you are saved, then you can call yourself a Christian. And my belief is the only way to be a true Christian is to honestly do everything you can to follow and obey the word of God (the Bible). Sorry that's a bit repetitive. Free will - God made all of man kind with free will, to be able to make choices of their own. He didn't want to MAKE people believe in him, He wanted them to choose to believe in Him. This is the best way I can explain why God gave man free will. It is the Christian belief that those that are not Saved by Jesus Christ when they die they will go to Hell. As far as what hell is like, I have no idea. I hope this contributes to your debate.

and it is proven by biblical verses That The Term SON OF GOD is a MISTRANSLATION Because God Has Tons Of sons according to the Bible. Let us begin by asking: How many sons does the Bible tell us that God Almighty has? (**) Jacob is God's son and firstborn: "Israel is my son, even my firstborn" Exodus 4:22. (**) Solomon is God's son "He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son": 2 Samuel 7:13-14. (**) Ephraim is God's firstborn: "for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn." Jeremiah 31:9 (who is God's firstborn? Israel or Ephraim?). (**) Adam is the son of God "Adam, which was the son of God." Luke 3:38. (**) Common people (you and me) are the sons of God: "Ye are the children of the LORD your God" Deuteronomy 14:1. "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God" Romans 8:14. "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:" John 1:12. "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15. "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: ... now are we the sons of God" 1 John 3:1-2. "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Job 38:7. "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD," Job 2:1. "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD," Job 1:6. "when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men," Genesis 6:4. "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair" Genesis 6:2 (**) Well then, was Jesus the only begotten son of God? Read Psalms 2:7"I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me (King David, King), Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." As we can see, the use of the term "son of God" when describing normal human beings was not at all an uncommon practice among Jesus' people. As we can see from these and many other verses like them, "son of God" in the language of the Jews was a very innocent term used to describe a loyal servant of God. Whether the translators and editors chose to write it as "Son of God" (with a capital S) in reference to Jesus and "son of God" (with a small S) in reference to everyone else does not diminish the fact that in the original language, both cases are exactly the same.

hi. the reason why these lies are circulating because at one point/ or one christian organization has actually said so. meaning they said that if you were not a christian you wouldnt be saved. thats the truth. ive been a witness to that. one christian friend even told me that. but for me, it really doesnt matter whether you are a christian or not. being saved is not even dependent if you do a good deed or if you go to church every sunday. everything depends on God's grace and only God can open the doors to his kingdom.

In the bible it also speaks of how man was created in God's image-both male and female. The Patriarchy of the Christian church. I was once Catholic. Males can only be priests? Equality? In the bible there are talks of stoning and horrific violence... Youths gain merits or credits at camps for treeing those non-believers (including those who do believe, just not necessarily in "their" God)....

People may lie, but God's word does not. I hope you find the truth you are looking for, for one day EVERY (meaning believers and non-believers alike) knee will bow and confess that He is God.