with the price of oil should we all go back to horse drawn?
By Goatlady
@Goatlady (159)
Ireland
April 26, 2008 3:07pm CST
With the price of oil, petrol, diesel going up and sky rocketing, its probably putting the cost of bringing our children to school out of control. Especially when there is no bus service, and a school is not walking distance. Should we convert back to horse drawn vehicles? Would that make it more affordable. Hmm - if you had the shed, a large bale of hay is 20-30 euros a week. A bag of oats 10-20 there you could save maybe in the region of 20-40 euros? Is this the way we should go to cut the dependency on oil. I know that totally long distance may not be feasable, but a 2-5 mile radius might be a good idea! What do you think? In areas that have limited public transport.?
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@hellcowboy (7374)
• United States
1 May 08
I think it would be cool to go back to horse drawn buggys, or just horses,because with gas prices being so high,and the fact that they go up almost every day,I think it would be cheaper to feed and take care of horses,especially since horses dont need as much maintenance as a car does,because horses arent made of parts that can break down or stop working,unlike cars,because when it comes to a car you never know when its gonna break down on you.Also since I live in the country most of this county is land and trees so there would be plenty of land to keep horses on,and it would be easier to get around by horse,because horses can go some places that cars cant go.
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@SomeCowgirl (32191)
• United States
1 May 08
that and we live near a horse farm....
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@hellcowboy (7374)
• United States
1 May 08
Thats true we do live near a horse farm,and maybe one day we can go over there and see about them letting us ride one of their horses,so we can take riding lessons and learn to ride.
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@SomeCowgirl (32191)
• United States
1 May 08
I would definitely be up for that. Not only would it be more efficient and saves you money, it also is a very romantic thing to do. I would love to ride in a horse drawn buggy, and would definitely treasure the moment with my fiance.
We do live near a horse farm, and there are a ample amount of unpaved roads here, that would be just perfect for it.
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@hellcowboy (7374)
• United States
1 May 08
I agree it would be very romantic,and time we could cherish together, as we take moon light rides through the country.
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@timou87 (1638)
• Singapore
27 Apr 08
I feel that for a distace of 2 to 5 miles, a much better option would be riding a bicycle! Not only is it good exercise, there is zero impact on the environment! I could only imagine, if everyone started rearing horses, who would clear ll the manure? Let's not forget that animal manure is a major source of heat trapping methane. Plus, the amount of fields that would be needed to produce the hay to feed the horses would take up valuable argircultural land that could be used for either producing biofuels, or producing more food to alleviate the impending food crisi and life many out of starvation levels.
@Goatlady (159)
• Ireland
27 Apr 08
That could depend - on circumstances. This is where, say in my case, the town is close 4 miles-5 miles on a main road, Yeah a horse would slow down some traffic - but it would be safer than riding a bike on the same road. I also believe there is research being done to create energy out of animal manure? The manure also serves as a fertilizer, and the fact that not everyone would be able to get a horse anyway, things like that would never happen. Besides - one of those multi-seaters could serve as a rural school bus, in the countryside, where no bus service exists, yet its not feasable to cycle or walk.
@gypsy_owl (88)
• United States
15 Jun 08
actually there are newer technologies that use animal waiste to generate electricity ... some dairy farms are using it now to run all the electricity on the farms and any excess electricy the process poduces gets sold to the power company.... .... and as far as street cleaning goes i'm SURE some organic fertilizer company would gladly clean up the streets if they got to keep the manure to process and then sell as fertilizer... (manure has to age to be useable as fertilizer...
@desertdarlene (8910)
• United States
27 Apr 08
I've thought of this, too. I'm actually allergic, so I would probably have to hire a horse rather than keep one of my own.
One thing, horses have a mind of their own and they are very skiddish much of the time. If they don't want to do something, you really can't force them. You can encourage them, but if they really don't want to do it, they won't.
Also, if you don't want to ride or drive your horse, you still have to feed and house it as well as pay for vet bills. If you don't want to drive your car, you just park it in the garage. Insurance companies will sometimes lower your rate if you don't drive a lot.
Horses leave messes on public streets that would require taxpayer money to clean up. And, the horse owner's liability insurance would probably be a lot higher.
Horses can get lame or sick and you can't ride them while you still have to feed and treat them. If your car breaks down, you don't have to drive or fix it.
I love horses, but I think automobiles are a much better improvement over them for overall transportation. The car has even made the horse's life better because most of them don't have to work as much as they used to.
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@gypsy_owl (88)
• United States
15 Jun 08
yeah but honestly vet bills WOULD be about even with if something equable happend to your car and you NEEDED it and had to get it fixed... like if you lived in northern new hampshire not having a working car or transportation isnt an option up here because things are NOT close together like in the city and there isnt much for public transportation and only ONE taxy company for the surrounding areas and they only have 4 cars....
@Breath (1297)
• United States
26 Apr 08
LOL...I only laugh because just the other day me and my husband come up with the same ideal...In small towns like I live in it would be a great ideal to save the extra gas to go a few miles to the store or school with a horse and buggy..
@Goatlady (159)
• Ireland
26 Apr 08
I've been looking at mini carts for my goats, as we have two - not at the same time we use, but of course it would be too much for them other than at shows, parades. Thats when I started thinking about it - lot of those multi seaters - surreys? Do the school bus run with that!
@miracleman2008 (173)
• United States
26 Apr 08
Goatlady.I thimk that would be a great idea.but i`m scared of horses. lol. besides with the weather the way it is ,they would just raise the price of hay.the goverment would buy all the hay and charge what they want.people can`t win.I guess we could do alot of walking,but they would put a big tax on shoes.I`m just kidding, I really don`t know what we will do. you have a great day. THE MIRACLEMAN
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
8 May 08
Lmao, I thought of the same thing!
I was like, "Goodness, maybe I could save up and get a horse instead" but then my Mom pointed out our city prolly had laws against keeping a horse in your backyard.
I'm like.."But...we have a small house and a pretty big backyard..we're on the outskirts."
I dunno, if things are bad enough that lots of people are getting horses, I don't think they could really do anything about it lol.
@ldybgsgma99 (798)
• United States
27 Apr 08
If I could afford a horse and buggy, that is exactly what I would do. I cannot afford the cost of gas now. Where I live right now, it is $3.69/gallon. I know it is more in some places but for me, living on a fixed income, this is outrageous. I cannot afford to drive my car. If I could afford it, I would buy a hybrid vehicle. That would probably help with the gas a bit but they are so expensive that you can't afford them either. Something has got to give. Pretty soon, people are not going to be able to afford to drive to work.
@cdejac (98)
• United States
28 Apr 08
If I still lived out in the country where I grew up, I would definitely get a horse and ride wherever I could. I grew up in a largely populated Amish area in Ohio and it isn't easy for them either. They use the heating oil, so they are still affected by the high price of oil. But, they are self sufficient because they all work together. However, in larger areas there should be more sidewalks and places for people to ride their bikes without fear of being run over.
cdejac
@Goatlady (159)
• Ireland
28 Apr 08
It is sad isn't it, in this modern age the way that not enough communities will get together and help each other out. But I suppose the other end of the stick is how many people will admit when they need help and allow the help? Too many people are afraid.
@equinenow (6)
• United States
10 May 08
I guess you haven't seen the price of horses lately, but they aren't cheap either. However, I'd love to be able to ride instead of drive if I could. I saw some story the other day where a guy was doing just that to protest the price of gas.
@saundyl (9783)
• Canada
27 Apr 08
For short distances in a rural area Travel by a horse is feasible...but on top of feed and vet costs one also has to remember that they need a place to tie or pasture the horse for the time you are busy doing things...and that horses are easier to steal.
In respect to short distances...It would also be a viable option to ride a bicycle. Those can atleast be locked up if you need to leave it.
@artexpressionz1001 (231)
• United States
7 May 08
Horses are definitely reliable and hard-working, but it can be dangerous to use them on all roads, and like you said, they cannot go far. You must also take into consideration that you can not only pay just for feed. There are still farrier costs, and you would positively need shoes on horses that pull carriages on roads. That would mean all four feet would need shoeing about every 6 weeks. Then, there are the vetting fees, the shots, the dewormers, etc. Owning a horse can get pretty expensive. Also keep in mind that new inventions are coming out every day, and soon there will be cars that are powered by more efficient electricity sources or possible even water eventually.
@hcpoirot (1562)
• Indonesia
27 Apr 08
In a small town or area, a buggy with horse its okay. I saw one or two buggy in my neighborhood. But in big city probably not a good idea. Car with sun energy or something like that is much more efficient and much easy to navigate. Anyway, people should find other alternative for their vehicles from now on.
@loudcry (1043)
• India
27 Apr 08
A year ago i thought if oil reached the 100$ mark our financial system would collapse. But surprisingly no such thing has happened. The system is able to sustain higher prices not just for crude but other commodities ,services and products as well.
The reason the higher prices are sustainable is that there is so much money in the system. Year after year governments all over the world produce money without hedging it with gold. As a result money has become cheap. Production of money indiscriminately is one of the reasons for inflation. The rise is price is marginally because of the rise in value of the the commodity and majorly because of fall in the value of money. So the situation is not as grim as it is made to look. Some people do suffer because of rise in prices but the salaries do catch up. There has been inflation for as long as money has existed, but system has never collapsed ( except in cases of wars and other such situations) so far.
Horses? We could try electric vehicles or hybrid vehicles, but horses? i dont think so.
@tjades (3591)
• Jamaica
27 Apr 08
Your discussion reminds me of teachings I am used to hearing at church from I was a child. It was usually said that things are going to become real hard in the future and that we would one day have to return to the things of olden days in order to survive. Well even if I tried to dismiss it over the years it is truly having some bearing now.
Thats a question we have often reflected on as well as the possibility of losing eletricity and returning to oil lamps. If things continue they way they are now it will all truly come to pass. (lol)