Ever prayed for Satan?
By ShardAerliss
@ShardAerliss (1488)
April 30, 2008 5:40pm CST
I love Mark Twain, he has some wonderful quotes attributed to him. I just came across this one (during a search to find out why my crazy mother used to bless the mildew in the bathroom *sigh*);
But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most?
Well, I thought it was food for thought... anyone else?
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@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
1 May 08
DAMN!! thats freakin GOOOOOD!! I'll be curious to see what kind of replys you get too since all I ever read is how "Satan" is nothing but evil etc etc..NEVER have I ever ever heard, read etc anyone say that they "pray for satan" or anything remotely close..
DAMN THAT WAS BRILLIANT!!
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@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
1 May 08
It is French..omg thats so priceless! LOL
I'll have to find some Twain and read some of it cause it seems like some of his writings would be something I'd enjoy...
Todays a new day (well here anyway) so lets see how this thread goes
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@ShardAerliss (1488)
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3 May 08
Have you seen what someone has put in the tags? Apparently some Christian is so offended by this idea they have had to resort to insulting me... but not in anyway that I can respond. No, they've tagged this discussion with an insult?
How lame (and un-Christian) is that?
@sutanhartanto (4122)
• Indonesia
1 May 08
i personally doesn't completely believe that satan really exists. anyway, let us assume that he really exists.
we always think that satan is the source of sin. we think the main duty of satans is inspiring human to commit sins.
so, we always blame satan if we commit sin, which is not so fair in my opinion. how can we blame others for the sin we commit?
anyway, satan is poor enough. it will be very kinds of us if we can pray for him.
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@ShardAerliss (1488)
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1 May 08
Thanks for the response :)
I said on another thread that I find the beliefs of many followers of the Abrahamic faiths to be very simplistic; God good, Devil bad, blame all good on God and blame the Devil for our sins.
That takes an awful lot of praise and blame off us humans.
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@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
8 May 08
Your absolutely right. It's great that you pointed this out b/c to be honest I've never thought of praying for him...and God knows he needs it. Perhaps if more ppl did pray for him some of the evil things happening would stop. Just a thought.
**AT PEACE WITHIN**
~~STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS~~
@ShardAerliss (1488)
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9 May 08
Perhaps they would, twoey, you never know.
And no, the very idea of it never occurred to me either.
@whiteheron (4222)
• United States
2 May 08
I have often thought that all would be brought together in the end, even the parts of creation that seem to be the most ugly and evil...
And all will go into the love light of God...
Consequently, in the past, I have prayed for the healing o that which sees itself to be broken, unholy, etc.
and have prayed for its redemption, its happiness, its contentment, happiness or joy... Its liberation, knowing that in the end this healing will come.
@ShardAerliss (1488)
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2 May 08
Interesting, if cryptic, response. Everything has a purpose, you think, in the greater plan?
@ShardAerliss (1488)
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3 May 08
lol, yes, much less cryptic. I'll see if I can get my teeth into a decent response at some point... when this migraine isn't eating at my skull.
@whiteheron (4222)
• United States
3 May 08
As in a tapistry we who are the woven threads weaving ourselves in and out do not see the whole picture so we do not always know what is next or what will be the result of our actions... We act with perhaps a plan for our actions...
In some belief systems we choose our own pathways to maximize our learnings here, to have more opportunity to love and to be loved, to work on aspects of the soul that wanted more experiences...
This seems to be in line with the Lakota Oral Tradition that I was taught and also oddly enough with some of the Vedic or Hindu perspectives only they would say that it was our own Karma that created the life.
In the Catholic perspective too, you have the belief that God is all present and that we must work out what we believe in our everyday lives, that there may be a plan but we are partners in the plan's creation.
I believe that there is someone for the want of a better word, a God, a Great Spirit, Om, who sees and knows all...And because that God is the "I Am" God is present always and everywhere... there is no where where God is not present...
I tend to see Satan as a flawed and pitiful creation... one who has limited knowledge and limited understanding and who in the end suffers defeat... He is blamed for so much and yet he does so little... People want to escape their karma, their responsibility for their own actions and they use that one to do it.
There are forces both good and bad here that delight in swinging things in a certain direction but they are unable to do much without willingness either way.
It is best to follow a right pathway and it brings more happiness.
Is this less cryptic?
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@freethinkingagent (2501)
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20 May 08
I would prey for Satan if there were any hope for him. But the preyers would be in vain. For one to repent and be saved, one must admit they were wrong.
It is like the first mate on a nuclear submarine. The captain has orders to launch, the first mate doesn't want for what ever reason, he leads a mutany among the crew and beliving they are right the rebel. The rebelion is squashed, and sentnceing is held off for a while. You got to the captain and ask for clemancy for the first mate. He says okay, but he must admit he was wrong. So you go to the first mate and say admit you were wrong and the captian will for give you. He says to you, I have nothing to be ashamed of, I did what i belived was right, no the captain must admit he is wrong.
So you see, the reason no one preys for Satan is because all that is need for satan tro do is admit he was wrong and submit to God.
@ShardAerliss (1488)
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20 May 08
The same can be said for an 'sinner' yet people pray for them all the time; pray that they ask for forgiveness, that God turns them towards asking for forgiveness (which negates free will, does it not?).
@ShardAerliss (1488)
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20 May 08
Excellently put, and yes I agree with you on most points.
However, people do pray that one sinner or another change there ways or ask for forgiveness. I'm more curious about whether or not they have prayed for Satan to be forgiven.
My beliefs on Lucifer, good/evil and the actions of God are pretty much a mute point in this discussion... I'm just curious as to other people's opinions and playing Devil's advocate (no pun intended).
@freethinkingagent (2501)
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20 May 08
Exactly, One can not negate free will. You can prey that a 'sinner' repents, but this will not happen untill the person concerned feels a need to repen. The rpoper responce to preying for a siiner would be a preyer asking God to let you be used to show this person that they are worng. Why would someone think they were wrong, if they looked out and saw someone just like them, doing the same things as them, and yet this other person says you must repent.
You don't prey that God changes the other person. You prey for change in yourself so that it will be a guide to the other person.
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@vonkristoffer (833)
• Philippines
20 May 08
meeen... if you pray to satan he will really hear you and give you what you want but in exchange of your soul.. because he is the prince of this world and he owns this world. remember when he temps Jesus Christ... he will give you everything in this world... i mean everything... if you want to be tormented day and night eternally then pray to him... :) and actually we are the ones who are accountable on our sins.. don't blame satan... if you fall into him don't blame him its your own choice...
@ShardAerliss (1488)
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20 May 08
Genius point agent! If Satan can indeed hear our prayers then why not ask him to ask God for forgiveness and save himself?
Maybe that would just annoy him...
@freethinkingagent (2501)
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20 May 08
Von he is asking about preying for the salvation of Satan. Have you ever preyed that God would forgive Satan, or change the heart of Satan. Actualty I kinda lean toward preying to Satan in this case, I mean Why not prey to Satan that he has a change of heart, and that he reconciles himself to God. Why could we not prey to Satan and ask him this?
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