Would Your Friend Do This.........?
By Sparks
@sparkofinsanity (20471)
Regina, Saskatchewan
May 1, 2008 5:52pm CST
Would your best friend show up in the middle of the night with a chicken in each hand and DEMAND you wake up and cook them?
Now remember - you've just taken an overdose and the last thing you want to hear is some redneck talk when you're already halfway to listening to the Angel choirs of Heaven!
I have a friend who did just that. She saved my life and I owe her more than I can every repay. And she's here on the lot so be nice to her or I'll have to hunt you down and ....................(insert torture of choice)!
Anyway, what I really want to know, is do you have off line friends like that? Someone willing to brave the storms of h*ll for you no matter what the cost to them?
What about your online friends? Do you think the connections you make online which seem so true, so deep, would translate with the same intensity and depth into 'real' life? Or do the loss of those connections for whatever reason, eventually mean the fading away of your feelings towards them?
Online friendships have more 'layers' than real life. There are so many sites where you build friends lists and yet never really interact with even a fraction of those people. So are they really your friends?
And then there are those you interact with on the site all the time. But again - off site, out of mind?
A further step is those you find on a site that you begin to exchange emails with - phone calls, small gifts and maybe even arrange a meeting sometime in the 'future'. How deep is that friendship really?
Online we say we love our friends all the time. And we mean it. Really we do!
But it makes me wonder if this modern invention of instant access, hasn't rendered in a certain way, the meaning of love and friendship as now being rather shallow.
Love and friendship used to be a dance of personalities either hormonally or pheromonally attracted to each other.
Now, it's words on a screen that do the dance.
Personally, I find that rather sad. But then, I'm old school. Very old school. I would still rather write with quill and ink on parchment, than type on a plastic keyboard.
As a favorite author of mine recently wrote "the suspense of life is gone".
Now before you all start thinking - spark is a phony, spark has lost it, spark doesn't love me.... "STOP! IN THE NAME OF LOVE, and don't you break my heart! Think oooover!"
I have given this a lot of thought. I have made and lost many friends over the past few years online. I regret each loss but barely remember their names.
And yet there are a few, who despite time and place, remain with me and in contact with me, and to me they are the heart of my connection to life itself. They are friends in the truest sense of the 'real world' word.
They have been, through their emails and phone calls, stalwarts of support and outpourings of love and prayer circles in my darkest hours. I would not be here and able to spread some love and laughter without them.
And I have never met, face to face, any of them. I don't even know what most of them look like. I don't care either. They reached out and touched me, and I was forever changed by that. I miss them when they are absent from my life for more than a day.
And nearly all of these people came from right here. Mylot. This site has magic people. Revel in it. Nurture it. Make friends - real friends. Go to the wall on and off site for them if there is a need. Cherish your chance to spread some love and laughter of your own.
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8 responses
@rev1wendy (611)
• United States
2 May 08
Hey Spark,
Let me start with; the man in my life, my love, my soul-mate, my desire I met online. Some people cannot be real no matter where you meet them. Some people are real all the time. Those are the easy ones to figure out. The hard ones are the ones that are somewhere in the middle. I would love to meet you. I believe that you are real. I have a couple of other friends online that I would love to meet. I, as a christian, love every single person on this earth. I do not approve of some behavior. I do NOT like everyone. And that brings me to one of my favorite theories in life. "It is easier to live with someone you like and do not love than it is to live with someone you love and do not like." So, what is truely more important in this life, in relationships, in families? Love or like. They are very different emotions.
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@sparkofinsanity (20471)
• Regina, Saskatchewan
2 May 08
You are very lucky to have found your soul-mate. Very lucky indeed. I'm happy for you, truly. It's not an easy feat, and to have found him online is to my mind a little miracle. Kudos to you both. You must have been very honest with each other from the start - and that in itself is very rare online. And thank you for the compliment - because I try very hard to be as real as I can wherever I am. At times on line, it's more difficult to be totally forthcoming when you know you have to protect yourself and that can confuse people. But the real me always shows itself.
When I was raising my kids, I used to say to them, "I love you, but I don't like you/like your behaviour right now....." I only said this when I wanted to teach them something about a wrong they had done. This way they knew that I could love them no matter what, but not being 'liked' by mom was hard to take and that little 'ploy' worked better for keeping them always striving to be better people better than any other discinplinary action could ever have accomplished. So I well know the difference between being loved and liked. Great post Wendy. Thank you.
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@rev1wendy (611)
• United States
2 May 08
You are welcome. You can ask Edgy, I said the same exact words to my children. I also told them to make sure they liked the person they were becoming and the person they were concidering spending the rest of their life with. I have taken a lot of s#(% for saying that to them when they were younger. But I believed, like you, that they needed to know that, even if I didn't like them or their behavior, I would always unconditionally love them. Another thing that I have learned is I never tell my kids or grandbabies that I am proud of them. If they did it, why on earth should I be proud? I didn't do it. And if I tell them I am proud of a certain action or behavior, that puts too much pressure on them. If they don't do it that well every time I won't be proud. I have, for years now, told them that I am honored to be their mother, that a certain behavior honors the way I taught them, or that certain actions bring honor to me as their mother. The Lord said, "Pride goeth before destruction." It is something I have worked hard to eliminate from our lives. Anyway, that kinda blew me away when you said that about how you talked to your kids. Too cool!:)
@sparkofinsanity (20471)
• Regina, Saskatchewan
2 May 08
Oh this is priceless! To use the word 'honor' instead of pride/proud is one of my other favs with my kids! I'm twin by the way. Were we separated at birth? LOL
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@edgyk8inmomma (2157)
• United States
2 May 08
Ahhh, you got me all choked up, I didn't know ya had it in ya.
I have to say, I have been there in the real world for friends I've made online. I was a member of a mommies group back in Minnesota, and one of the friends just spoke to my heart. I met her a couple times and helped her through a really tough struggle. I still think about her often, even though I've lost touched. got word a few months ago that she moved to Michigan and got married. I'd love to reconect with her, as I miss her dearly. SHAR ARE YOU THERE???
I haven't been here long enough to know if any of my new friends are true and dear. I mean I've only known ya guys a couple weeks. But I can feel a kinship that I'm sure would be just as strong if we met in a bar, or at the corner park.
peace and blessings
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@sparkofinsanity (20471)
• Regina, Saskatchewan
2 May 08
ALRIGHTY THEN!
Line up the Shirley Temples barkeep - we've some serious fun to get into here................burp! (ooops)
@edgyk8inmomma (2157)
• United States
2 May 08
Hey, just cuz you quit drinking, don't mean I can't have a scotch and seven, poor me a tall one, easy on the ice....it's been a long week!!!
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@sparkofinsanity (20471)
• Regina, Saskatchewan
2 May 08
I'm not a big drinker at all, but there are days when a cold tall one sure goes down a treat! I'm with you this week edgy. Next week I'll go temperance! LOL
@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
2 May 08
A further step is those you find on a site that you begin to exchange emails with - phone calls, small gifts and maybe even arrange a meeting sometime in the 'future'. How deep is that friendship really?
Hhmm it depends..some do become deep and some not so much so and some still just dont end up working out at all...I do have a couple of friends that I met online that I became very close to OFFline and I do love them like family...
But it makes me wonder if this modern invention of instant access, hasn't rendered in a certain way, the meaning of love and friendship as now being rather shallow
I think for many ppl it has made the meaning of love and friendship far less deep, heartfelt and genuine...BUT I don think its like that for ALL onliners if that makes sense...When I personally consider someone a friend, its not done lightly..that person has in one way or another but usually in several ways, touched my heart and soul, made me laugh, we have things in common etc etc ya know...I've never been one to just toss out the words "love" or "friend" (mainly because of history and my need for self preservation)..
wow..I just brainf@rted again...I need to wake up...sorry if I dont make any damn sense at the moment
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@sparkofinsanity (20471)
• Regina, Saskatchewan
2 May 08
You made perfect sense to me Raven.
I know what you mean - which is basically what I tried to say in my discussion.
I know from experience that some online friends will just fade away when contact becomes intermittent. That's inevitable. Others I will let go for 'self preservation' reasons too. But there is a handful (which grows actually as I meet and greet new people) that will always be cluttering up my inbox (LOL) and very welcome, and others that if I don't talk to them on the phone, I would be lost without and still others that if I met in real life would probably take one look at me and want to kill me! LOL But for the main - this instant access tool we have needs to be handled carefully I think so that we 'preserve ourselves' but also don't lose totally the deeper meaning of friendship and love of friends.
You know Rave - that was some good brainfart you had! Made me think for sure.
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@Angelwhispers (8978)
• United States
2 May 08
I do love you..admire you. I will get back to you tomorrow with this as I am quite sappy tonight.... (reckon it is pms?) boy oh boy you all test my endurance of emotion, its like a wild water slide, I go from heroic anger to simplistic child like love. And cry like a friggin baby! I will get back to you tomorrow LMAO
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@sparkofinsanity (20471)
• Regina, Saskatchewan
2 May 08
Just as long as you sleep like a happy baby ok?
See you tomorrow my love, my lust, my inspiration!
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@sid556 (30959)
• United States
2 May 08
First off...I send thanx to your friend whoever he/she is that saved your life!! Yes...I do have some friends in real life that would do anything for me and yes...I have one crazy lady that will just burst in at any given hour...she is so random so I could picture her doing something like that.As for on-line friends...you are right...they do are a bit more fleeting,I think but not always. I take good care of my friendships off line as well and like you, I still take time to write an occassional real letter or send a real card. I am so grateful for this computer. with the hours that i work, it has helped me keep in touch with some family and friends that I may otherwise not be able to often. Friends both online and off are important to us. So often kind words and humor on here have lifted my spirits and put me in a better place to spread that cheer. Thanx sparks for the intense brain excersising this morning. Have a great day and no more o.d.ing!!!
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@sparkofinsanity (20471)
• Regina, Saskatchewan
2 May 08
Your welcome sid. I love what you said and do so agree.
As for o.d.ing - nope, not me, not ever again! My life saver is here on the lot now. She's my guardian angel and as long as I have her, I'm sober, sane and safe. Well, most of the time! LOL She's AnnieOakley1.
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@Psyclown (131)
• Venezuela
2 May 08
I have off line friends that do everything for me and i will do the same like killing someone or go to jail for him, but i cant completely trust in my on-line friends sometimes they seem so perfect they listen you never disagree but you don't know they like a friend, even when you fight with a real friend you learn a lot.
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@sparkofinsanity (20471)
• Regina, Saskatchewan
2 May 08
I agree that online friends can be tricky Psyclown. But out of all the people you meet online, there are always some you just know you would love to love off line.
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@kamran12 (5526)
• Pakistan
2 May 08
Hello spark!:-)
I read your discussion yesterday night, as I read all others even though I may not respond, and I read it again today. I have been thinking about it and I think I have already read a part of it sometime ago, perhaps in my dream, LOL! But, you know what I mean! :-)
Yes, my friend, I do have such off-line friends, besides my partner, who would risk their lives to save me from any harm. As a matter of fact, some have already done it on occasions, sometimes without even my knowing. These are close friends who would attack any danger before it may have a chance to come to me. Funny thing is, while they think my life is more important than theirs, I find them much more worthy to live than myself. I am very honest here with it, not only because they are friends but more so because of the very important and needed work they are doing for humanity and against aggressors.
And yes, they won't think before bothering me as I do the same, LOL! but only with them, with very few of my friends. One would come to my place to discuss some philosophical point and we would end up discussing until the sun shined. Someone would ring at 3 am in morning saying that they are coming to go to eat at such and such place. Probably my city also has to do something with it as it is rightly called "city of the lively hearts" in my homeland where you can hang out at any hour and can find something to eat at any hour.
To the other section of your discussion, I think you are right about layers but same 'layers' exist in 'real' life, as you call it, too. There are different levels of interaction, love, intimacy and confidence that we enjoy with our off-line 'friends', or so we call them. I am serious when I use certain words. You might have observed that I don't use the 'love' word or many other endearment words as such. It doesn't mean that I don't love my friends, it is something I can't explain in few words. I take it very serious and don't want to use it lightly.
Online relations do have more anonymity than off-line, but believe me that off-line people can be as non-real as online folks. Similarly, online folks can be as real as off-line ones. There was this girl who met me online, in my homeland. She became my sister and I couldn't believe how much she became attached that she proposed to her sister to marry me, LOL! we did meet off-line, had chats, I went to their home, Our families met too and still have good relations. I talked to her sister, and we saw that it may not be good idea to get together as husband and wife. But, the girl in question , and her whole family became very dear to me as myself and my family is to them. Similarly, there are many very, very good off-line friends who met me online.
"This site has magic people."
There is going to be no disagreement here, my friend. I certainly have met many great people here that I sincerely think can be as good an off-line friend as they are online. You are, for sure, one among them!
Sorry for my ramblings here, but for the time, this discussion has taken from my mind since yesterday, there is a price to pay, LOL! So you have to bear it!
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@kamran12 (5526)
• Pakistan
3 May 08
I tend to agree with you that online are easier to categorize than off-line ones.
I believe if we ever get together, I will be learning much more than I would be able to offer, of that I am sure! One of the 'gifts' that you and some others have here is great skills in writing and expression. I know, I'll have to learn for decades to reach there. You are kind, my friend, if you think that it was anywhere near thought provoking!
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@sparkofinsanity (20471)
• Regina, Saskatchewan
3 May 08
Not kind Kamran. Honest. It gave me a glimpse into your personal life, your country, the city you obviously love. That made me sit and think awhile and it was a lovely respite. Thank you.
The culture you come from is so very different from the one I am most familiar with. It is such a treat for me to get glimpses into others. And as for your writing ability - you are not so far 'behind' myself and others here. In fact, considering the differences in our cultures, educations and social traditions, you are far and away above your peers and very talented.
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@sparkofinsanity (20471)
• Regina, Saskatchewan
2 May 08
Not rambling at all dear Kamran. You are like Natrak, always a pleasure to read and read again. I always gain such an insight to you both and often what you write makes me re-examine what I myself have written, only with a new eye and a broadened point of view. So ramble on my dear friend, ramble on! LOL
It has been my experience too that off line friendships can be as shallow as some on line ones and there are as many layers to offline relationships as there are online. I find though, that online ones are much easier to pinpoint as being part of 'this layer' or 'that one'. Of my entire friends list here on the lot, I can count on two hands, out of the many the people I know, that I would love more if I knew them offline and they were a part of my everyday life. And yes, my dear, you are definitely at the top of that list. I could spend hours in your company, from sunup to sunset and sunup again talking to you, learning from you and perhaps, even teaching you a thing or two. I feel that way about Natrak too. There is such depth of purpose to you both that is very rare these days in my offline acquaintances and friends.
What a lovely 'price I have paid' talking to you. lol Thank you for such a considered and though provoking response.
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@sparkofinsanity (20471)
• Regina, Saskatchewan
2 May 08
Sure sd. Put in a friends request and let's get to know each other.
Welcome to mylot by the way.
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