Inmates attaining degrees while serving jail time
By taface412
@taface412 (3175)
United States
May 4, 2008 10:04am CST
Okay, so how many of you out there are either planning on going to college, are currently in college, or have graduated college? And how many of you have college loans?
Well, I am not one to ever deter anyone (and I mean anyone) who wants to expand their minds through education, but I think it is a little unfair that inmates have the opportunity to get a higher level of education (BA, MA, or even a PHD) while incarcerated. I understand that while they are in there for their sentence they become different people and education has proven to reform some criminals. And if it is a program where the funds are by donations I see no problem, but and this I have not found a clear answer on yet while researching if they are receiving federal funds I do not think this is fair. Because there are a lot of people who have problems repaying their own college costs they do not need to pay for a criminals.
So if anyone out there knows where the funding comes for the incarcerated individuals please let me know. Are we tax payers paying for them to attain these degrees? If so how fair is that?
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@Phenomenal1 (144)
• United States
11 May 08
Much of the funding is provided by the State the facility is in, or the government itself. The inmates themselves are not receiving federal loans personally. I know this, because if you are a felon you are not allow to receive federal grants and loans, which makes no sense. This is a screwed up system because they are not allowed to gain the federal aid when they are out of prison, but when they are in prison, the federal government foundations that provide educational loans still fund to the facility. It is really messed up. I am not sure they have to pay back all of their schooling tuition, or a portion, or if any at all. But it is unfair to us individuals who do have to pay back all of the thousands of dollars that are paid out to us through loans. Never mind the fact if we don't qualify for federal aid and have to come out with out of pocket fees. It is very unjust, but then again, that's nothing new with the way life is. It is a very interesting question, and as I am sure you already know, it will be very debateable because people have so many views on it. But, overall, I truly believe us tax payers are the ones paying for their education. :[
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
11 May 08
You have expressed my views exactly. You must be an honest citizen repaying loans like I am. And this has been a quesiton since I watched a show about inmates and education. It is backwards about not qualifyin once out of prison, but when in prison they can attain a degree and it as far as I know they do not have to repay them once out of prison.
I think it should be part of an agreement that they provide community service or something like it in their field of study once out as a form of repayment. At least then the ones who are rehabilitated, funded by society as a whole, is giving back to that society in need. But then again I think it is wrong to lie, cheat and steal. So I am living in my own la-la land LOL.
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
12 May 08
Well, in only makes sense because during this "rehabilitation" period the whole point behind education while incarcerated is to help the inmate become a better person. And after they are released if they have to own up to a responsibility, either repayment or community service, they are improving upon themselves and helping others possibly deter from a life in crime.
I wonder if anyone has ever suggested this option concerning this matter. Then I believe I would whole heartedly support this type of rehabilitation our tax dollars pay. Because as you may already know it feels like a different kind of sentencing when you are trying to come up with your payment or you are counting down the years of repayment. These are our life lessons on the outside of the prison that make us become resposible citizens and help us manage our lifestyles according to our past promises of repayment. This suggestion would help them become more inclined to give back instead of take.
@Phenomenal1 (144)
• United States
12 May 08
I completely agree. And yes, I am one of the honest citizens paying back college loans. I think your idea for those who are rehabilitated to enter into an agreement to pay back the tuition,and such after earning a degree in prison is a very bright one. Not only is a great idea because the money can be reused for other purposes, but also because it will keep them on a straight and narrow path while living and maintaining out here in the free world. They would have to work to remain free and they would have to pay back the loans because it would be part of their probation/parole sanctions. This is a great idea. I'm glad to also see that I'm not the only person who feels it is unfair. Trust me, you are not alone on this issue. My feelings are exactly the same.
@freethinkingagent (2501)
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4 May 08
As far as i know inmates are not getting post grad dagrees, or any high degrees. They can get an A.S or A.A degree, as only the Jr. Colloges are in the prison system. The inmates are on pell grants, the same as any person that is indegent can receive. They only have to have a high school deploma and a GED. Most inmates how ever are not getting assosiates degrees, but opt for certificates of acheivment in employable skills and trades. The Jr. Colloges offer electronics, horticulture, drafting and a wide variaty of skills and trades that will help serious inmates get and keep a job once out of prison. The released inmates that can keep a job are less likely to reoffend and go back compaired to those who go to prison and opt for three meals and a bunk untill they can get back outside to resume their crimanal interprises. Any person can apply for a Pell grant and I am glad to seee inmates makeing the best of their stay.
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
4 May 08
well, they are. I was doing some research and one of the articles (covered by 60 minutes) dated as of last yr stated Bard College/University (I forgot which either way it was a four-yr college) had a program privately funded for inmates to attain a degree. And the featured inmate was studying Philosophy not a technical degree. The article further pointed out that just teaching a trade is not enough...which in a way I agree.
As for the Pell Grants I am full aware of the qualificaitons, it's just when the funds run out some people lose the chance at school...hard working law biding citizens are who I am aiming at by this point. I hope they have a system as to how they (federal aide) can filter out so honest people get a chance b/4 someone who chose to break the law.
And there are always libraries filled with books for people to read.
@freethinkingagent (2501)
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4 May 08
This must be new or just at some prisons. I don't think higher education should be rewarded to criminals, I can see trade and sckills but degrees? what a shame, this private money shoud go to people who far better deserve this kind of blessing.
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
4 May 08
I know I am quite mixed on my feelings on this subject and I agree about the trade and skills...and i think once they served their time they should be allowed like anyone else to apply for aide...But I think in while prison No. Because in the end we are at least paying thier R&B if not their actual education costs....and I worked my way through college (2+ jobs) like many others.....or maybe I am just whining about this. Who knows.
@Asylum (47893)
• Manchester, England
4 May 08
It is a blatant and atrocious waste of money and resources that are needed elsewahere. A lot of people are refused entry to university and yet convicted criminals are offered the opportunity. Not only does this apply to the inmates that will eventually be released, but also to those who shall remain in prison for the rest of their life. This constitutes little more than simple entertainment for convicted criminals.
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
4 May 08
I don't know if I agree with the waste of resources and such, but I know I was quite offended by the fact that law biding citizens are having to pay for their own education (or even a portion) while people behaving badly get a free ride.
In fact I was so disgusted I am sure I offended a few people I know who know people in jail. LOL
@Tetchie (2932)
• Australia
6 May 08
This is a bit of a hot potato by the looks. I think it's the best thing for a criminal to be rehabilitated and to become educated to the highest level if it's possible. There is much more cost to society (yes taxes) by re-offenders.
I think the major problem is the cost of education and the subsequent loans that students take out and seem to pay for a long long time after they've left university. I would like to expand my mind but I need an expanded wallet to pay for it. I will not dare commit a crime to do it though!
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
6 May 08
yeah, it is a catch 22 I believe. B/c I think the same. You don't want someone to go back to their previous lifestyle, and you don't want to encourage crime as a way into college. But I guess I still have a different version of 15-20 yrs (of loan repayment not jail time) to mull over it.
@RobinJ (2501)
• Canada
4 May 08
I am one of those people that believe that if you are able to maintain a good grade any and all schooling should be free. If some one gets a degree that they have spent years working to attain I couldn't deny them no matter who they are, That being said at least the prisoner's that do work toward a degree are striving for a better and different life style.
Your next questions is who will pay for all this? the ones that require the degrees to be employees corporate America/Canada.
The catch is that you would have to maintain a better than good average.
It is my opinion that education frees people never enslaves them like ignorance and poverty. I am sure there hundreds if not thousands of brilliant people out there that would improve the world as well as them selves if given the best schooling to get them started and on their way.
@freethinkingagent (2501)
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4 May 08
Yes but, they are not getting higher degrees, see my post above
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@taface412 (3175)
• United States
4 May 08
No I agree that education leads to a higher understanding and even a stronger morals and ethics. And I am all for that....
What brought this to mind was awhile back I was watching one of those news shows like 60 minutes or something like that and they were covering a man (here is the US) who got his MD degree while serving time. And he was in awhile so I forgot what his actual crime was. ANd when he was released he returned to his home town to practice medicine. He had to move to a nearby town to practice b/c no one wanted him in their hometown....either way this man got his MD while in prison and when released he was able to practice medicine and if I remember correctly the show pointed out he did not pay for any of it. I think in those case once released they should have to account for some of those costs, like other students and ANY student going to school.
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@bournecaindelta (2477)
• India
5 May 08
Well, If they are learning while under custody,then its a great thing for them. Or Else many people end to stay the same even after serving a long term in the jail. Education starts to change everybody's life. But doing it with other's money is something that shouldn't be supported. On the outside people are paying thousands to get educated, while these people get to do that all for free without a fee or pay!
bourne
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
5 May 08
Good point bournecaindelta. It's kinda slippery slop argument I think: like you said education leads to a better quality of life, but who should foot that bill? So who knows the true answer.