Is Chivalry dead?
@RavenFireMaiden (36)
Canada
May 6, 2008 2:41pm CST
I am pretty convinced that chivalry is just something you read about in historical romance novels. I think Chivalry is dead. When im on the train in the morning, and its always packed, sometimes an old lady, or gentleman will get on the train and i have to be honest, 95% of the time its a woman who gets up for the elderly person, so they can have a seat. What happened to the days when men gave up their seat? Have any other women noticed these things? And i have to say, its worse with the younger generation of men, like say, between 18 to 30. I find the older gentlemen are much more chivalrous. I feel i can complain about this since i always hold doors for people,or give up my seat, and im not gender biased when being a decent human being. I will hold a door for a man, i just would appreciate the favor returned. Maybe i should just stick to my historical romances lol
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@highflyingxangel (9225)
• United States
6 May 08
There are still some nice guys out there. Maybe from the older generation but is that really such a bad thing? My gf and I were at a store over the weekend and were heading to the door to leave. A guy in front of us was going to hold the door open but it slammed shut and he turned around quickly and saw us coming. He came back to the door, opened it quickly and said,"Sorry about that." And he waited until we were through the door before he left. We thanked him and went on.
So there are still some nice guys out there, you just have to find them.
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@Elixiress (3878)
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7 May 08
I think that gender is more equal now, so why should a man give his seat up for a woman just because it was done years ago. If a man demanded for a woman to give him her seat she would be out raged and that happened years ago. However I think both genders should be equally polite whether they are part of the older or younger generation.
@RavenFireMaiden (36)
• Canada
7 May 08
I am not saying that a man has to give up his seat for a woman, im saying men should give their seat up to elderly women and gentlemen, but all i ever see is women giving up their seats to elderly, or to anyone who needs it more than them. Like another poster said, i too see men faking sleep so they can get away with not giving up their seat. i think its just common courtesy. Its not about gender, its about human decency.
@Elixiress (3878)
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7 May 08
I agree, but saying that I don't give up my seat on the way back to college. I do on the way to college, but saying that not many elderly people get on during rush hour. The reason for not given up my seat is because my bag is killing my shoulders and my shoes are killing my feet and I am in complete agony basically (can't wait until college finishes to give my back a rest). So I don't think that I can say people should give up their seat for elderly people since I don't all the time and it would be hypocritical.
@RavenFireMaiden (36)
• Canada
7 May 08
I dont see how you can say people shouldnt have to give up their seats for elderly people? I am confused. my sister works all day on her feet, and she has feet problems and has been to see doctors left and right about this problem. She basically lives in pain, and shes the first to give up her seat to someone in need. I am only 27, but i have older parents. My mother is 65, and my father, if he were alive would be 73. So i look at older people and to me, its unthinkable not to give up my seat, or give the respect they deserve. You may be sore and tired but your are young and spry. The reason we give our seats up to older people is because they could hurt themselves. If the train jerks, or comes to an abrupt stop they could really injure themselves. Same goes with Pregnant women and someones with a cast or crutch.
@Lindalinda (4111)
• Canada
7 May 08
Acts of kindness should not be gender based. I am an older lady and ride the TTC a lot. At the front of the streetcar are some seats that should be given up for the disabled and pregnant. Many times when I sit on one of the seats and a pregnant woman or old gentleman or lady with a cane comes in and there are no other seats I will get up and notice much younger people do not move.
As far as historical romance novels are concerned I would not have wanted to live in those days, worn a chastity belt when my husband was away and be a wholy owned chattel, like other property and live stock.
Women have fought so long and so hard to obtain equal rights as far as education and jobs are concerned. We are nearly there but the other side of the coin is that a lot of young men now (hopefully) accept the idea of equality. At the same time their thinking is that no special treatment should be accorded to women. The sad thing is a lot of them also are ill mannered and do not extend courtesies to people who would be grateful for a little help.
@Cocoa33 (921)
• United States
7 May 08
i think it still exist today. i have to say the generation 18 to 30 hasn't been taught about how to treat a lady. the only thing they see and know what they see on tv on how to view women. i am not saying its right all. i am just telling it like it is. the older generation has some knowledge. they have been schooled.
@Pitgull (1522)
• United States
7 May 08
I'm in the south, and I'm offended when they wont let me hold a door for a man...
Down here they hold doors for women, and there are still gas stations that men will have to pump their gas at, and women don't...
But about giving up seats, yes....I've seen it too many times, usually from disrespectful younger males. But it is typically women I see moving for the elderly, not men. It's appalling....
@phoenix25 (1541)
• United States
8 May 08
What do you mean that they won't LET you hold the door open? What do you mean that men have to pump the gas? How does that work? People probably think I'm weird because I usually hold doors open for my husband. They probably think he's like abusive and controls me or something, but I just like to be nice!
@katsmeow1213 (28716)
• United States
6 May 08
I don't believe parents are teaching their younger children about chivalry anymore. I also think that since the older generations have stopped being gentlemenly, the children learn from them. If a married couple does not treat each other well, their children will grow up and treat their partners as their parents did.
I think some men still want to be gentlemen, but may be afraid to. Some women don't like chivalry, they want to pay the bill themselves and open their own doors. They don't take these as acts of kindness, but as a sign of them being weaker. Because of this some men are afraid to hold doors open and pay the check on a date.
I don't want my children to be this way. My oldest is very kind and has great manners, and I am trying to teach my younger son the same thing. I will yell at him if he doesn't hold a door open for me, and I always tell him his sister must go first because she's a lady.
@k1tten (2318)
• United States
6 May 08
I know there are some guys out there who will hold open a door for you. It's amazing how few they are though. Usually it's the older generation but there are a few young men out there who do give up their seats or hold open doors. I myself are like you and not gender biased. I'll hold open the door whenever I can for people.
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
6 May 08
it all boils down to respect. My mother once warned me when I was dating a guy yrs ago. He always opened doors for me, well I didn't think much of it then. But she saw one time I told him don't worry about it when he went to open the door for me. Well, she told me to never do that and to watch and see what happens. Sure, enough the next time he did not even offer and none after that unless it was by chance. And now I expect a man to open doors. And I don't care if it is gender biased or not. A man should act as a man, and I hold doors open for the elderly and anyone behind me as well as a sign of respect.
And you are right, the younger generation is worse, but the younger generation of women do not help this either. They have less self-esteem and confidence than previous genreations. Neither the girls or the boys are taught these tings and they either learn them as they get older by Osmosis or they don't.
Oh, and on the historical romances my favorite is Mr. Darcy of Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice. Some men could study his character and take some notes.