Autism is it from the vaccine?
By raydene
@raydene (9871)
United States
May 12, 2008 8:32am CST
I have a nephew that is autistic
and my best friend's son is...
and I know many others!
Why do we know so many kids like this?
Do you think it's the vaccine?
I think if it is I have to
tahank my lucky stars that
I have 7 healthy children
that were not effected by
it.
Thoughts?
xoxoxoxoxoxox
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080512/ap_on_he_me/autism_court_case
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12 responses
@mummymo (23706)
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12 May 08
I know this is a very sensitive subject and I really feel for the parents of children with Autism as with any condition but I really do not believe that the vaccine causes Autism. I know that many are convinced as their child shows the symptoms or is diagnosed soon after but from what I can gather that is mainly due to the fact that the vaccines are given about the same time as most children start showing signs of the condition.
I do know that many people believe that the vaccine does cause Autism and I am not going to say I am right and they are wrong but I do KNOW that there are epidemics breaking out of diseases we now think of as harmless because they have been almost eradicated, they are thriving because people are scared to vaccinate their children and these diseases do kill and cause serious complications for our children and that really worries me! xxx
@mummymo (23706)
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12 May 08
Well Loud I am not an expert - I do remember a lot of things from my training (strange when i find it hard to remember how old I am sometimes or what i did yesterday but there you go) and I do try to keep up to date with research just because I am interested! There are different types and severities of both autism and epilepsy but there are links between them, I can't remember the exact figures but I think it is about 1 in 6 or 7 with autism will go on to develop seizures or will even have seizures before the autism is diagnosed! Aggressive behaviour is associated with certain spectrums of both conditions too sweety but I can't remember which! Don't know if this helps but if you like I can do some more research - haven't done any for a little while now! xxx
@mummymo (23706)
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13 May 08
Those certainly could be symptoms of certain forms of autism sweets but it could be other things too! Sounds a bit like Aspergers which is kind of a form of Autism! My sister has fostered kids with different special needs over the years and I have seen all of these symptoms in people that didn't have any form of Autism. I know that sounds really confusing but it certainly sounds as though they have some kind of special need! xxx
@mummymo (23706)
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13 May 08
Aspergers honey! lol Don't know if i typed that right! There may be some reputable pplaces online that can give you an indication but personally I wouldn't go near them - I would make sure that a GOOD doctor was involved and referred the person to a specialist! xxx
@chaigay20 (166)
• Philippines
21 May 08
there are a lot of articles regarding the MMR vaccine as one of the causes for autism but i'm not sure if it's really been proven. it's really hard to pinpoint the causes because up until now, they don't really know the real cause. i really don't beleive that some vaccine like MMR causes autism.
@Foxxee (3651)
• United States
27 May 08
there has been a commercial playing here over and over about a lawsuit and it states "If your child was diagnosed with Autism on or before this date and has had the MMR vaccines you are entitled to join the lawsuit."
Not sure what that is all about, but they obviously have enough facts to try and prove something if they are starting a lawsuit about all this...
@chaigay20 (166)
• Philippines
27 May 08
i might check that out. my son has delays as well but i couldn't really point out when exactly it started. thanks for the info. =)
@Foxxee (3651)
• United States
27 May 08
All I can really say about this is before my son had the MMR he was on top of all his mile stones. After the MMR, my son doesn't speak anymore and so on.
I use to blame the vaccines, but today, I don't blame anyone or anything.. I do although have my doubts about the whole vaccines, but not enough people are listening to us parents that are stating the child changed after their vaccines..
To many fact lead to say it is the cause, but you will never hear the government say that..
It's hard to say... I do believe they should rethink vaccines or at least lower what they put in it...
Either way I don't let them tell me what to put in my son anymore.. I make the choices and I choose NOT to use vaccines at this time..
@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
12 May 08
I work in the field. and I really don't think that the vaccines have anything to do with autism. There are many genetic links to autism including things like Fragile-X.
Autism numbers seem to be on the rise, in spite of the fact that mercury has been removed from all but the flu shots.
I heard of one family, where the oldest child had the vaccine and developed autism, the next 4 children the woman had were not vaccinated, yet all of them developed autism - what does that tell you.
Right now about 1 in 150 children are diagnosed with autism and I have heard some countries are coming up with higher numbers.
Right now, no one knows and there is no cure - the best we can do is early intervention.
@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
12 May 08
Well from some quick research I just did, it is possible that the vaccine and a genetic defect triggered the autism. On the other hand, autism can not be diagnosed before a certain age, because the symptoms do not begin to appear before I think it is about 18 months which co-incidentally is when the kids get these vaccines.
There was autism before there were vaccines, though the label is is a relatively new one.
@Foxxee (3651)
• United States
27 May 08
Actually they can see signs of Autism as young as 15 months or even younger.
My son had all the signs at 15 months.. which by the way didn't develope until after the MMR vaccine.
And mercury has not been removed, it is still being used in many vaccines.
Autism rates have changed over time. A few decades ago, autism was almost unheard of. Now it seems to be exploding. Yes Autism did exist back then, but from today's vaccines and the vaccines given years ago is different. It is a fact that we use a higher dose in vaccines then we ever did back then. So maybe someone should explain that to us? Why is it every time the dose goes up, we also hear about the rise in Autism?
We can go round and round on this, but more fingers point to vaccines..
And right now Autism rates are the highest here.
@Gemmygirl1 (2867)
• Australia
13 May 08
Well, i guess it's something to think about but honestly, no, i don't think it has anything to do with the vaccine - mainly because the number of kids without it heavily outweighs the number of kids who do have it.
If it were due to a vaccine, then the number of kids with it would be a lot higher than it currently is.
I think you'll find it's just something that they are born with but it may not appear obvious until later - so whether or not they are vaccinated doesn't really make a difference.
I guess you could also find parents who REFUSE to have their children vaccinated & see how many of those children have it - it might give you a better idea & help you to give an answer.
@Foxxee (3651)
• United States
27 May 08
Autism was almost unheard of back in the day, but as the doses in vaccines got stronger the rates in Autism went up. And that is a fact.
And although it hasn't been proven that vaccines cause or set off Autism, there are many facts that say it does. More pros then cons.
@mclendon (308)
• United States
15 May 08
I have done alot of reading and research on autism and aspergers, too, as it effects my family. I do agree that it seems probable that there is a genetic predisposition that requires a trigger (or triggers). Like with diabetes, there may be a tendency for it to run in the family- but some members may be able to prevent the disease with an active and healthy lifestyle. Others will be more likely to develop the disease or develop it younger or more severely due to a sedentary, unhealthy lifestyle or excess weight.
I think it also is probably environmental and not necessarily just one particular exposure, like mercury in vaccines. Like the nurse said, it could be that the number of vaccines being given to young children is overwhelming their immune systems and triggering a change in their develop, resulting in autism spectrum disorders.
Another possible cause, that seems very credible to me, is Vitamin D deficiency. Our bodies make vitamin D in response to sun exposure. It is found in a few foods, but most people cannot get enough Vit D from their diet. I believe it was around the 1930's or 40's that it was discovered that Vitamin D supplements prevented rickets, which was a fairly common problem in the U.S. at one time.
More recent research, which you can read about at www.vitamindcouncil.org, shows that the recommended 400 IUs daily may not be near enough Vitamin D in our sun-protection society. The rapid rise in autism and ADHD seems to coincide with the advent of skin cancer concerns and widespread sunscreen usage.
Vitamin D has many neurological benefits and is also thought to reduce the risk of several cancers. You may have heard of SAD or Seasonal Affective Disorder, when a person becomes depressed during the winter months due to lack of sunlight. SAD lights provide not only light but trigger the body to produce Vitamin D. It is the neurological effect of the lack of Vitamin D in winter that causes SAD. Obviously not everyone is as prone to the negative emotional effects of this lack as others; just as with austism, some may be more prone to the effects of immune system taxing vaccines or to lack of vitamin D during early brain development than others.
@winterose (39887)
• Canada
13 May 08
there is evidence pointing to vaccines and autism, and so there still needs to be more research to know if that is the only reason children get autism, but I believe that children are still born with it, well I know that children are born with it and then others only get after being vaccinated.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
13 May 08
Inwardly I have no doubt that there is a link with the rise in children with autism (and maybe ADHD as well) due to these vaccines that have been given to kids that have thermisol, which is mercury, as a preservative in the vaccines. I even have done articles about this exact thing and is published over at Associated Content
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/349257/just_how_safe_have_those_childhood.html
@jimbelle (485)
• Philippines
12 May 08
Autism is a brain development disorder that impairs social interaction and communication . It has a strong genetic basis. It usually manifest at the age of 2-3 years of age which coincide with vaccination.There is no scientific basis that vaccine cause autism . Though it has been implicated in few write ups.
@kaysue4 (951)
• United States
13 May 08
My son has Asperger's which is a form of Autism and I am not sure if it wsa from the shots or from him having high lead paint poisoning when he was 18 monthes old.
There has to be some kind of connection for SO many children to have this issue that is life long. Was it a bad batch, was it more of kids a certain age and a certain area?
I wish they can find what the answer is so more children are not affected by this.
Thanks for puting the awareness out there on this serious issue.
@techangel (15)
• United States
12 May 08
I have a child with Autism, so I have done great amounts of research, and trying to find answers. The one thing that is known is that is has genetic links. It appears to run in families, even though there is no specific gene found for it yet. It appears to be a number of different genes. Also, the vaccines have not been proven to be the cause, however, there is a clear coinciding of the vaccines with serious changes in the child's behavior. There have also been a lot of children with autism that have been found to have high levels of mercury in their systems.
So, my opinion is this....that there is a genetic predisposition to autism. That there is a genetic link, and that some sort of trigger sets it off....just like many other diseases out there. That trigger could be different for different children.