Do you feel that married men are at disadvatageious postion..?
By dpk262006
@dpk262006 (58676)
Delhi, India
May 13, 2008 5:05am CST
Do you feel that married men are at disadvantageous position than their counter parts after their marriage? Now a day, husbands are supposed to obey the orders of their wives instead of other way round, even if husbands are not at fault, they need to comply with the directions of their wives. At present laws are such that if any kind of atrocities are done on a woman after marriage, she can drag her husband and/or her in-laws to Court of Law, and thereafter life can be hell for husband and his parents. Those who are working women can always forcefully tell their husbands that – “Look I am a working woman, I look after your house, your children and my office responsibilities too, so you must cooperate me, as per my wishes.” What are your views on this issue, specially the women folk? What are opinions of men folk on this issue, I would also like to know that.
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@chiyosan (30184)
• Philippines
13 May 08
i do not think they are in that position. at least not here... i am in no position to confirm for other countries, but as far as i see, women here, even if they are working moms, they still put their husbands decisions first, and they still value the role of husbands in their family. that is what i have, at least seen - mostly from my friends who are married and to my brother.
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@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
19 May 08
Thanks for sharing your experiences with us, where are you from?
@faith210 (11224)
• Philippines
13 May 08
Hi deepak! I think it goes both ways. Marriage is a commitment. Both should meet halfway and both should respect each other. I love and respect my husband and he loves and respect me. We go through difficult times but we won't give up because I know that in him, I find my strength and in me, he find his and together, we know we can get through anything. It is sad when I hear about friends and some family members go through broken relationships/marriages because one try to dominate the other and one becomes so passive that he/she becomes discontented. I admit that there are husbands who felt discontented and felt to be in the losing end of marriage and there are wives who feel the same way too. Just like what happened to my younger brother. My brother is a very sweet man but I saw him becoming withdrawn during his marriage. His wife is trying to dominate him. He never respects my brother's opinion and never appreciates him. She usually hurt my brother physically and verbally and that made my brother resent her more. She tells my brother that he has to do this and that and if my brother falls short of her expectations, she will hurl verbal abuse to him. He became a drunkard and after 7 years, he totally left her.
My marriage is not perfect. We have our ups and downs but we try to hold on to each other. When one is weak, one becomes stronger for the other. I guess, husband and wives are going through the same thing with regards to their career and family life but they should know how to work as partners and as a team. If they compete with each other, then the relationship will fail and both will be at the losing end.
Just my thoughts dear friend. Take Care and Keep Smiling! Happy Mylotting!
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
19 May 08
I am really impressed with your thoughts that marriage is a commitment and both the partners should play equal role. But I am sorry to hear about your brother, my discussion was focussed on those partners, which believe in domination and do not respect the sentiments of the other partner. If one partner tries to dominate, it becomes difficult to run the life.
Many thanks for your wonderful response.
@SViswan (12051)
• India
14 May 08
Well, I'm not sure about the disadvantage part.
I don't understand why either spouse has to comply with the other's direction. I mean...all people concerned are adults...discuss things practically and move ahead.
Personally, in my case, I am at a disadvantage. My husband is the one who bosses over me and I don't like that....so I usually don't give in. If he asks me nicely, I usually think about it and give in...but definitely do not like him bossing over me. Even if I am a housewife. I have an equal role to play. He goes out and works and I work at home. Why should he boss over me or me boss over him?
But I do agree with you that some women do take advantage of the laws. I personally will not fall into that category. I'm too proud.
And in the case you mentioned...if the woman is working, taking care of the house, and the children...then what does the husband have to cooperate or follow her wishes for?
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
14 May 08
Well, if I had a chance to boss over my husband, I wouldn't(I expect the same respect from him too). I do not like bossing over everyone. Most of the time, I prefer discussing things...opinions vary between husband and wife and sometimes the other comes up with something the first one never thought of. Then, I believe in taking the practical option based on the situation...it's not necesarily the wife's opinion or the husband's....it's 'their opinion' and sometimes it can also be a little bit of each one's opinion.
In a married relationship, one person bossing over the other isn't right. At some level, it can also be 'mental abuse'.
By my last sentence, I was wondering what other issues were there to boss the husband.....but then I realized there were other bigger issues...like which school does a child go to....what asset and when to acquire....who gets to watch which show on television!!...etc.
I don't believe in either partner bossing over the other. Earlier, women were at home and didn't have an opinion about things outside the home...so it was natural for the husband's wishes only to be considered (and it wasn't wrong). But today, women are educated and they have an opinion in everything. I just feel that both people in a relationship should get an equal voice to an opinion. Only the husband's wishes or only the wife's wishes shouldn't be the case.
Having said that....I have to admit..that almost all the decisions at my home are taken by my husband (though I am given a chance to give my opinion).He's the boss of the house and he has my permission to say so!
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
19 May 08
SV, thanks for further elaboration. Nice to know that you are not going to boss over Dear Vinod....LOL!
I agree with you that things should be sorted out with communication and discussions and finally decision be taken on the practical reality. I totally agree with you when you say that - "In a married relationship, one person bossing over the other isn't right. At some level, it can also be 'mental abuse." I buy your thought of mental abuse, but it do happens in some of the families, unfortunately.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
14 May 08
SV, I appreciate your thoughts that even if you are a home-maker, you should not be under-estimated or not treated below par. You are equal to your hubby in all respects. But it may sometimes so happen that you get a chance to boss over your hubby.....LOL!....if you get such a chance.....do you avail it?
Please elaborate your last sentences i.e. "if the woman......her wishes for".
What I actually wanted to convey is that many working woman carry out their household responsibilities and outside also, instead of being humble, they make it an issue that since they do all the activities, so all their wishes (whether good or bad) must be fulfilled and complied with. Afterall, it is matter of understanding, how a couple wants to run thier life.
Many thanks for enriching the post.
@ebsharer (5515)
• United States
13 May 08
Some men are yes. My husband is very lucky that way but as am I. We don't direct or tell eachother any thing. We do ask eachother to talk about things. We share the house hold chores, we share taking care of our daughter, we share the money we both make. I do have to say I do a little more then him in the house but he works more hours then me. I don't order him around. If I want some thing from him I ask for it. Because he loves me he does it (most of the time) but if he asks me for some thing I do it for him. Relationships aren't 50 / 50 they are 100 / 100. A lot of people don't realize that although you are "one" you are still two people. Two people need to give 100% to the other.
Now I do know a few wives that order there husbands around. The only thing I can think is they are inscure women that don't know what else to do.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
19 May 08
It is really heartening to know that you share equal level with your partner and you take your decisions together. I agree with your views that two persons need to give their 100 percent for a successful marriage.
@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
17 May 08
Poor men! They are most pitiable figures after marriages. In fact I think most suffer like anything. Whatever they do they come under suspicion. And they are highly under rated. The ladies of the house try to come to the forefront. This could be due to inferiority complex or excessive dominant nature and of course behavioural pattern developed since childhood of the wives. However, having said this the other way round is not uncommon as well.
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
19 May 08
Yes deepak, I used to know a family where the husband was tortured like anything. It need not be extrinsic ones but the wife had to humiliate her husband without reason. Poor chap was a pitiable figure in front of the kids.
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@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
19 May 08
So whatever you wrote was based on your practical experience.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
19 May 08
Husbands are really a 'poor men' in some of the families......LOL!
You are right that approach of a wife towards her hubsnad could due to inferiority complex and childhood experiences. Other way round is also possible and does happen.
Many thanks for sharing your crisp and juicy views.
@arkaf61 (10881)
• Canada
18 May 08
Well my friend, I think that maybe this is the first time that we don't really completely agree LOL
I don't think men, or women for that matter should obey to one or the other. They're supposed to be a team and work together. It's team work, not I rule/you obey.
Now, it is true that justice tends to rule in favor of women, because traditionally abuse has been directed more at women than men, and as I keep saying in this world when people try to fix a wrong they do it by bypassing balance and going overboard. But in this case it's not that the ruling is wrong, more that it could be done for men as well, if men didn't have this tendency of not wanting to admit they are not the ones "wearing the pants " - this one fits huh? LOL - in the family. For each 25 women that will admit abuse, there will be maybe 1 man that will if at all.
The truth is, my friend, women were - and still are in many parts of the world - treated as second class citizens, by the governments, their leaders and even worse their families , their husbands.
THey had specific roles that no man would take, house chores, taking care of the kids, cooking, and often still work outside the home as well.
The way it used to go was that the husband would do his 8 hours of work and come home expecting the wife to bring the his slippers, maybe a little snack, cook dinner, serve it give the best bit to the husband - that worked all day and deserves it - wash dishes, give a bath to the kids, tidy up etc etc etc.
THat's the traditional role, it didn't even matter if the wife had been working the same 8 hours at her own job. Being a woman she still had to come home and do all that as if she couldn't be as tired as the husband upon getting home.
Sadly, this is still expected of women, even the ones that thing they're completely emancipated, and free from those traditional roles.
The good news is that many men are now finally learning about that 4 letter word : Team. Many finally noticed that specially when both work outside, what needs to be done at home or with the children needs to be done by both, and not only one.
The bad news is that it is still some time until balance is reached.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
19 May 08
I agree with your views that it is a team work after marriage and both the partner should respect each other. YOu are right, when you say that in most of the places, women are still rated and treated as second class citizens, which is not good for the overall health of the society. Many thanks for sharing.
What are your own experiences in this regard?
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@arkaf61 (10881)
• Canada
19 May 08
Well my friend, my experience is mixed - and maybe not completely positive because we do live with my in-laws.
Hubby is a team worker. He knows we both work hard and often I come home even later than he does.
He has no problem doing any of the traditional women's chores and in some he's actually better than me - i.e. ironing -.
We don't really have traditional roles in our home, if the tap needs fixing - traditional man role - I might be the one fixing it. If laundry is needed - traditional woman role - hubby might be the one doing it.
However... - yeah, there's always a however LOL - because we live with in-laws - different apartments, same house - I have been considered a very "bad" woman for years because of this. They are older and traditional to say the least, so knowing that their son does many of the things that they feel I should be the one doing is something awful in their mind. It also bothers them that I might do things that "men" are supposed to do although not that much - go figure! LOL
SO although in my home things work by the team rule, they still bring all of us a bit of stress.
My in-laws will go out to people they know talking about me and how I am not doing what I should and make their poor son do it, and we are sometimes stressed over doing things and having them come and argue with us about it.
My husband often does the laundry because he uses the time he gets home before me to do it, but because the washing machines are on their side of the house, once they even tried to tell us that if it wasn't me washing the clothes we couldn't use the machines - that we all paid for half/half!
And once they didn't want to let me use the electric drill - that is actually mine and hubby's, because women are not supposed to use it
@wisedragon (2325)
• Philippines
13 May 08
Husbands are supposed to obey the orders of their wives? That's hilarious! Sure a loving husband would do or give what his wife wants, that which is reasonable. He shouldn't just do it mindlessly. A husband should know how to think and make important decisions. Otherwise how can he be head of the family?
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@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
19 May 08
It sounds you hilarious, but it happens in some of the families, you would be surprised to note. Many thanks for sharing your thoughts.
@lovelydame3000 (1577)
• India
14 May 08
Gone are the days when women folk where slaves to their husband. The modern woman is well aware of her rights and also utilize them when required. However, I do not think that married men are at a disadvantage except that some girls who want a fling without attachment prefer married men to single and ready to mingle guys. Marriage is an equal partnership and with woman working in the office too it is only fair to share the responsibilities.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
15 May 08
Dear, Thanks for sharing your mature and intelligent views. I appreciate your approach.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
14 May 08
What is your own opinion on the point raised by me.....do you believe that man are at disadvatageous position???
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
14 May 08
I agree with your views, you hit the nail on the head. You could assess the spirit of my discussion, because it was in the context of culture and prevailing systems in our own countries. Thanks so much.
@cupid74 (11388)
• Pakistan
14 May 08
Dear Deepak
its definetly a mutual relation, but its also good to have one person as head of family so that decesion can be made eaily and other listen to it. and in most of the cases its Man. but it should not mean that he should imply all his decesion, he should take concest of family, specially wife and then decide and sure where he is wrong and wife is correct, he should accept that. Thats my point of view
as far as your discussion is concern, yeah with working ladies trend is being changing specially in our continent, financial indepence is changing the things and in cases where ladies are earning more, (even not more) they want in command, and what i noticed that most men when have kids, to avoud unpleasent situation and keep their family togather compromise on that and dont make it hassle. but still u can see that divorce rate is high and mostly reason is "incompatibilty"
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@aowaow (1516)
• Indonesia
15 May 08
Maybe you can sue her for "Husband Emotional Abuse". -just a joke-
Not all women will be like this, -especially not all carrier woman will be like this- only a small part of women may have this; depending on how she was raised in her family, how the community or system -friends, relatives, neighbors, you named it- around treated her, and how she absorbed from her life experience and shaped on her personality in her future life.
If she saw (was raised) by looking of many emotional attacks towards her gender in her childhood, such as, how her father badly-treated her mother emotionally. That would probably brings her to form her emotional to reject on accepting this treatment in the future. It will also give an impact to her family, should if her husband (or her son) "likely" gives her the similar treatment like what she saw in past time.
This woman needs to find an extremely patience husband who's willingly to neglect most of his masculine side to preserve the marriage with her. Some, but not all, men may have another purpose to stand on their marriage, usually kids come as the first priority. Their relationship is based on duty and money concerning, it's less for love concerning from her husband, unless in bed.
Again, we accept the appearance of these couples in our community. But not all women, -especially carrier ones- will treats her husband with this way.
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@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
15 May 08
I am taken aback and pleasently surpirsed to read your excellent analysis. You certainly analysed the issue thread bare and you have given very relevant logic and justification, in support of your reply. I am feeling that I am falling short of words to appreciate your wonderful analysis. I completly or I should say that I agree to your analysis word-by-word. A woman's childhood and her experiences of her past life direct her behaviour towards her husband, it she did not have positive experience in her life about a man's attitude, be it her father or brother, her treatement to her husband would be guided by those experiences.
Are you a psychologist or have studied this subject?
Outstanding response.
Deepak
@kiran1978 (4134)
• Australia
14 May 08
I don't know about that, lol, I may be biassed but I don't think men are in a disadvatageious position at all. I guess it also depends what country you reside in also, as each country has different values and beliefs.
In Australia I still feel that men are the more dominant ones in marriage, just from what I have heard. I think also it is alot harder these days for women to juggle work, cleaning and looking after the kids, that is 3 full time jobs there. I don't think that women use this in their power either, I think it just gives them a bit more independence as they are also the bread winners not just the males. I prefer to live in the present moment not the past as I would not personally like a marriage where the husband is the sole bread winner and I was the housewife. So I tend to disagree with you on this topic my friend. It is also hard for alot of women if the marriage breaks down as they are usually the ones that have to be on their own looking after their kids and working.
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@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
19 May 08
I am really impressed with your thoughts that marriage is a commitment. Kiran, you have drafted your reply as per your surroundings, things are not some everywhere. It does not make any difference, if you do not agree, you have every right to 'disagree' with me and voice your own opinion.
Many thanks for your wonderful response.
@mimm45 (168)
• Australia
13 May 08
Husbands don't "obey the orders of their wives". I do not think this is so. You make it seem like the woman is dominating the husband. There might be some cases of this happening but I think that wives are still put in the same role as they were years ago. In fact, since husbands are mostly the ones who earn, the wives are quite dependent on them. They stay at home to cook and clean and look after the kids and the husband. As for the laws, it came about to protect the women since most of the time husbands took advantage of them and mistreated them. It doesn't mean that wives can go to court for just about anything.
However, I believe that marriage should not be like this. It should be a cooperative effort by both the husband and the wife. Nobody should be dominating the other. Nobody should be the boss.
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@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
19 May 08
I am really impressed with your thoughts that marriage is a commitment and both the partners should play equal role. I agree with you that if one partner dominates the other and does not respect the sentiments of the other partner, it is not good. If one partner tries to dominate, it becomes difficult to run the life.
Many thanks for your wonderful response.
@amitpuri (457)
• India
13 May 08
Yep i do think that they are in the disadvatageious position to some extent after the marriage as they have some other responsibilities that are binding men from several things and even they are bounded to several customs,commitments of life and even loss freedom to take the decisions independently.A single man has the better chances to think and do the best while such thing is not with them when got married as they have to consider the partner now even before taking some decisions and the steps.So in my opinion a single man is better than the other got married.
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@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
19 May 08
Your thoughts have given different prespective to the discussion, thanks for sharing and showing some intelligent attitude.
@meiteoh (416)
• Switzerland
13 May 08
If this is between two people, then no, I would say that both husband and wife are on equal footing. A marriage is about sharing the responsibilities, amongst other things. You make decisions collectively as a team or at least after discussing it with your partner. You share burdens together. This sounds like the ideal but it is what a lot of couples are or at least strive to be.
In my case, my husband brings home the bacon and gives me an allowance plus ensures that I'm protected, cherished and happy. In exchange, I care for his needs and home.
How society sees a marriage and the exchange of responsibilities/duties is a different story. It depends on where you are from and what your culture thinks about men, women & marriage. Come to Malaysia and you'll see that married men are in an advantageous position - a lot of married women aren't really protected by the law when it comes to divorce, alimony and child support. It is a patriarchal society more than anything else.
If you're a Muslim, it is even possible to have four wives IF your first wife approves, IF you can afford to care for all of them, IF you don't have sons and want a son - but naturally, as per everything in this world, there are ways of getting around these If-s.
A lot of Muslim women are trying to campaign for better protection by the Syariah (Muslim law) because their non-Muslim sisters like myself are better protected by civil law. These two laws are separate and the last time I followed any case, people were told that Muslims only follow Syariah and non-Muslims only stick to civil law - no criss cross allowed!
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@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
19 May 08
I am really impressed with your thoughts that marriage is a commitment and both the partners should play equal role. And thanks for letting us know how husband bheave at your place and who the women are fighting for their cause. If one partner tries to dominate, it becomes difficult to run the life.
Many thanks for your wonderful response.
@lovespecialangel (3632)
• United States
18 May 08
That's not how it works in my marraige. My husband and I are equal partners. All decisions are made by the two of us, all household chores and outside chores are done by both of us, and we share in the raising of our kids. I don't tell him what to do and he doesn't tell me what to do. I also don't use the fact that I am working to get him to do my bidding. We both work and we both take care of the home and family.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
19 May 08
Nice to know that you and your husband treat each other equally. Many thanks for sharing your thoughts.
@sunita64 (6469)
• India
19 May 08
Marriage is all about understanding between the two and naturally when even women have become working then naturally sharing of responsibilities is required. But in our country that is India it is the men who are prieveleged, even if there wife is working they never share household responsibilities with the wife so it becomes even more strenuous for a working lady to cope up with life.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
19 May 08
You appear to disagree with the crux of my discussion. Many thanks for sharing your views.
@LittleMel (8742)
• Canada
14 May 08
I think woman should be in equal position to man, not lower or higher. I will assume my responsibilities take care of the house and my husband but he will also have to assume his. If it's earning money I believe man or woman supposed to receive the same pay if they have the same skills, abilities, and seniority level at work. Whatever factors the company use to decide salary or wages, have to be applied to both genders. In marriage though I will be devoted to him if he is devoted to me. I don't like cheaters or backstabbers in any kind of relationship, friendship, marriages, brothers sisters etc
So I basically treat everyone the same, not just because he is my husband. I don't think there is law here that allows certain gender to win all the time. Injustice happens everywhere to everyone, not because of their genders. I don't know though about other countries.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
14 May 08
You appear very positive and practical in your approach and I hope tht you would have very coordial relationship with your partner/spouse. I also believe, whatever you have stated is based on the conventions and system prevailing in your society.
Thanks so much for participation, I liked your attitude.
@Rozie37 (15499)
• Turkmenistan
14 May 08
I have to be honest and say that I am an old-fashion woman and I believe that God made things the way that they are for a reason. Not to down women, because I am one. But God made us more of the nurturing type. We should be at home making sure that the kids are alright.
Cooking and cleaning and tending to the house. I am not a women's lib type of woman. I think that women got a raw deal when they went into the work force anyway. Now they pretty much work inside and outside the home.
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
19 May 08
I am liked your thoughts and I feel that marriage is a commitment.
Many thanks for your wonderful response.
@keep_onwatch (2680)
• India
15 May 08
Nope, im in no position for that one...well nor di di c any1 do so nor even heard about it here. May b its very very rare...but the domination of a husband and the wife being dealt like that ia comon and is going on and will still go on....
@triptadasgupta (900)
• India
14 May 08
yes i think there is some truth to this as nowadays because of the education awareness has also risen and because of that they know that if their husbands do stray then they can do quite a bit about their lives.Yes friend i have myself seen many wiveSs doing that to their husbands.The stage reaching to divorce as well....Finally women have found their voice.
HAVE A NICE DAY
@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
14 May 08
Thanks for agreeing with me, so you endorse the view that sometimes in a marriage, it is the man, who finds himself at a disadvatageous position.