Does Senator Clinton still have a chance?
By clrumfelt
@clrumfelt (5490)
United States
18 responses
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
23 May 08
I'm sticking with Hillary to the end. I read recently where Obama has offered to split the Florida vote 50/50 with Hillary. Never mind that she won Florida by about 300,000 votes! It seems the good ole boys have decided in the interest of fairness, not to disenfranchise the entire state of Florida. They'll settle for just taking the vote away from 300,000 of the Floridians who voted for Hillary. Big of them, isn't it? At least they are realizing that something has to be done about Florida (and Michigan) and I'm thinking there might still be some hope in that. I glad Hillary is hanging tough. She's proving on a daily basis she has what it takes.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
27 May 08
Annie, both Hillary and Obama were on the ballot and the people voted. Hillary got almost 300,000 more votes and I don't see how you can say she didn't win by that much.
@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
23 May 08
Just now on the news, she was saying that Bill didn't have the nomination wrapped up when he ran, until June when California had their primary. She also sorta stuck her foot in it by making reference to the fact that Bobby Kennedy wasn't killed until June(in other words, he was still
in the race until then)but nobody appreciated her reference to that so she apologized. But she is right that she still has a chance to win the primary and all these people putting pressure on her to drop out it is just because they want Obama to win.
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@snowy22315 (180699)
• United States
15 May 08
I don't think so at this point. Obama has much more support and money. There is no guarantee that she would win Fl. and michigan anyway.
@tigertang (1749)
• Singapore
15 May 08
I think the electoral numbers are not in her favour and I think it's obvious that Barak Obhama has run a much more disciplined and more refreshing campaign than she has. It looks like the super-delegates are also of the same mind, Barak is the man that the nation wants and it's easier to make him the candidate, especially when it looks like she's unlikely to catch-up in terms of the popular vote and number of delegates won, even if she crushes him in the remaining few states, which seems highly unlikely.
However, Hillary should not be writen off yet. The woman may lack her husband's natural rapport with people but she is no quitter and in politics persistence often pays off. And even if the campaign does not have the money, she is in the position to lend it money - hey, she can easily make this back via book deals and guess what - even if she loses, being in the Senate puts her in the position to get more money for future things.
Besides, it looks like Barak may have to give her something assuming he wis the candidacy. Hillary will then be in a better position to get something.
The woman is in a better position than many give her credit for.
@tigertang (1749)
• Singapore
15 May 08
Yea, you are right, the money is a major issue and Bill has definately had his impact on Hillary's campaign. I think he may even be the reason why she won't even get the vice-presidency....
But as you said, she'll probably try to cheat. The Clintons are known for being more than willing to get dirty when the need is there and one should not underestimate them until they really are down and OUT. ;)
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
15 May 08
I think you're right about the money. She has been using her own money to finance her campaign for awhile now. I personally think Obama is prospering so much in his campaign finances because he has a large Muslim backing that want to see him in the White House.
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@lisan23 (442)
• United States
18 May 08
Hillary Clinton will need a miracle to win at this point. As of this week her financial advisors are actually meeting with Obama's (hopefully hinting that maybe we can look at a split ticket and she will be VP) to see if they can't combine funds to start going on the offense with McCain. (This, of course, would be a HUGE benefit to Hillary who's campaign is debt.)
At this point, a revote in Florida and Michigan won't happen. It sounds like the DNC is considering seating half of their delegates. IF half of the Florida and Michigan delegates got seated, that would only help Clinton gain 30+ delegates, which isn't nearly enough to win. Heck, even if they seated all the delegates, she'd STILL be losing.
I honestly think the biggest reason she's not dropping out is because she's trying to get back some of the money that she owes from this campaign. However, I wouldn't be surprised if part of the meetings this week between the two candidates financial advisors included a plan that if Hillary dropped out Obama would pay her debt off. (It's not uncommon to do.) He's got the money to do it.
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
19 May 08
I agree that it doesn't look good for Sen. Clinton at this point. I give her an A+ for effort, and hope she runs as Obama's v.p. if it comes to that.
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@shoffman2000 (560)
• Alexandria, Virginia
18 May 08
she needs sto[ wasting her time. Return to the US senate to vote on a regular basis and earn her pay.
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
19 May 08
Usually senators voting records suffer when they run for president because they are away so much of the time. You have to admire Senator Clinton's ambition, though.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
15 May 08
I'm in Florida and there will be no revote here...we cannot afford it and the feeling among many democrats here is that any attempt at a revote would be boycotted. The candidates didn't come here because suddenly we didn't matter to them. Many people down here are angry about that and many other things related to the primary.
@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
16 May 08
I can understand your anger over this issue. The states should have sovereignty over when they hold their primaires, in my opinion. In the Constitutional rights not specifically given to the federal government were afforded to the states, and I don't understand why election primaries wouldn't fall under states' rights. It seems to me what was done at least borders on being unconstitutional, if not blatantly so.
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
16 May 08
I guess the show won't really be over until the fat lady sings, so to speak, but all the indicators seem to agree with your opinion.
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@rckayla09 (113)
• United States
22 May 08
You never know what can happen between now and June 3rd, Hillary could win. Though it does seem like an impossible feat for Hillary to achieve because of all the "superdelegates" going with Barack. I can tell you one thing...if those votes in Florida and Michigan aren't counted, or they can't revote, a lot of people are going to be crying foul and will be pissed off enough to not vote for Barack but McCain instead; just to spite the Democratic party! And it would serve the Democrats right for making a mess out of this presidental race.
@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
23 May 08
It sure doesn't look good for Hillary now, but as the saying goes "it ain't over until the fat
lady sings."
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
25 May 08
The only person with no chance is one who has given up. So, while Hillary probably has almost no chance, she does have a chance.
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
25 May 08
Very well spoken. She has the tenaciousness to stick with it and not throw her chance away. I admire her for that.
@mehale (2200)
• United States
28 May 08
I really don't think there is too much chance of her winning the nomination at this point. The gap between her and Obama is simply too great considering that there are only 3 primaries left. Even if Michigan and Florida were allowed a re-vote, the delegates would still be divided - no matter who wins the popular vote.
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
28 May 08
As time passes it appears her chances are getting slimmer, but she has vowed to stay in until after the CA primary in June. I think that primary will push her in one direction or the other for the final call.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
24 May 08
I really think she's finished now, especially after today's remarks. If anyone here hasn't heard, she invoked the assassination of Robert Kennedy in June of 1968 when explaining why she's still in the race. I'm sure she didn't really mean it the way it sounded but it really DID seem as though she were saying she had to stay in "just in case"...and I won't even finish the thought. If there were totally new elections in both Michigan and Florida, which would be the only fair way to do it if all the delegates are to be seated, it's anybody's guess how it would turn out but it most likely wouldn't be identical to how they originally turned out because nobody campaigned in either state and Hillary's was the only name on the ballot in Michigan. At any rate, I think now may be the time for her to call it a day and leave with whatever grace she has left.
Annie
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
24 May 08
She did kinda stick her foot in her mouth that time. There are rumors that she is trying to work out an exit stragegy with Obama's team that will allow her to exit gracefully and save face, but she denies any such negiotiations. Time will tell.
@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
27 May 08
Anything is possible....never say never.
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
28 May 08
Stranger things have happened. Who knows what is around the next corner?
@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
23 May 08
Anything is possible. Obama is so ignorant walking about like he is the chosen on and has already won. He has an ego the size of Texas. If he wins in November, God help us all. I don't know if people are ignoring everything that has come out about him or if they just do not know..and to still vote for him.
@esecaira (27)
• United States
15 May 08
Yes. She does have a chance to win. The race is becoming more and more a racial issue rather than a political one. You can see it on daily bases that Obama wins in states with large black population and Clinton in states where whites and blue collars are a majority. Some superdelegates will take this into consideration. As i said before, the USA is not yet ready for an afroemrican president. The pressure will increase in the coming months...
@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
15 May 08
It seems to me that Obama has been the media's darling, so we have to think their thinking may be skewed a bit when they predict who will win and who should drop out.
@jonesy123 (3948)
• United States
15 May 08
No, she is too far behind, especially now after the Edward's endorsement of Obama. She knows it, in fact has known it even before the endorsement. IMO she is staying in the race in order to keep discrediting Obama. This will help McCain. For her, McCain needs to win, then she can have another run at the president job in 2012. If Obama wins, then she will be sooo yesterday's news.
@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
15 May 08
All the political analysts I have been listening to agree with you, amd that she is simply trying to find a way to bow out gracefully. I wonder if she is staying in, too, to give them a chance to resolve the Michigan and Florida problem. The supporters in those states will surely be feeling that they got a raw deal from the democratic party, whether they are in favor of Obama or Clinton, if their votes aren't counted. That wouldn't be a good thing in the general election to have those states disenfranchised by the democratic party.
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@chrismas (7)
• United States
25 May 08
No, I don't think Florida will have another vote. Even if both Florida and Michigan did vote again, I don't think she would garner enough delegates to capture the nomination. I think that Obama will be the candidate. Whether he will win the election is another sotry.
@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
25 May 08
I think she still has a small chance as long as she hangs in there till the end. In politics, nothing is that predictable. There have been a lot of surprise upsets in the past. Only time will tell.
@choudhary03 (943)
• Hyderabad, India
15 May 08
She is into the drain, she is into the drain.
I am very sorry for that. Me being an Indian i wish she would come into the power but it is too late for her. She should have won with huge majority in west virginia taking that quarter lead from Obama. But unfortunately she wasnt able to take that out.
I just wish that there wouldnt be another Bush as a president whether it is he or she.
@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
15 May 08
I'm beginning to think the democratic party is just a "good ole' boys' club" that would put almost any man in the White House to keep a woman from being president.
@sxrxnrr45601 (1171)
• United States
29 May 08
I do think Senator Clinton has a chance if your supporter rally behind her she must also feel that she has a chance or why else would she stay in the race I hope that people open their eyes and see that she is the answer to our problems we are having !!!! Go Hillary!!!!