Why are some people voting for Clinton just because she's white?
By Bd200789
@Bd200789 (2994)
United States
May 21, 2008 5:30pm CST
I don't understand it. On the news, someone said they are voting for her just because she's white. Isn't that sad? A country that has gone through so much pain to end racism is still like it was before the Civil War. I can't believe after nearly 150 years of fighting for racial equality, this is still happening. "According to Del Ali, president of the firm Research 2000, which conducted the Kentucky surveys, 'White, rural voters are not going to vote for an African-American in Kentucky over a white, male conservative.'" (http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/254600)
"Twenty percent of West Virginia Democratic voters - a number accounting for half the Clinton victory margin - said race played a key factor in how they voted. In other words, 20 percent admitted they chose Clinton because she is white - or, more to the point, because Obama is black."
(http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/may/14/littwin-voters-show-issue-of-race-isnt-just-and/)
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@sabbathandruth (567)
• Canada
21 May 08
i dont like that people vote just cuz a person is white ( IF thats true)
BUT , i would vote for her because shes not osama.. oops i meana obama
cuz he is a racist too my firend.
and Btw a ex muslim, ( maybe just converted to win favour) muslim, not that all muslims are bad, but you just cant trust what all muslims say, after all if they are avid believers in the koran then we are all infedels and they want to kill us if we dont convert, i have also heard the quote directly from the extremists mouth, saying, "we will turn the white house into a black house"
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
22 May 08
He is a muslim now, though he won't own up to it. He is saving that surprise for later.
@djbtol (5493)
• United States
22 May 08
You are absolutely right about the Muslim factor. Just because it's not politically correct to see these things, everyone is supposed to shut up.
There are too many ties. Americans should be very uneasy about Obama. Instead, most voters appear to be duped. In addition, there is nothing truly Christian about the guy. He has never said or done one thing to convince me that he is a Christian.
America will not stand if it starts to cave-in to the Muslims, for they openly declare that we are the enemy - the Great Satan!
djbtol
@cyberopjames (483)
• United States
22 May 08
I think this topic is racial. We are all red on the inside. It dose not matter what color your skin is. People have the right to vote for whom they want and who are we to question the reason for thair vote. I live in Florida where my vote dose not count. If it did I voted for Clinton. I am a Gay male and she is right for the Gay community.
- Reverend James, Florida, USA -
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@djbtol (5493)
• United States
22 May 08
Why would you not be asking the same question of Obama voters. How else could he be getting 90% of the vote in the South, and only in the South.
This election is about race in a huge way. In addition, there are a lot of liberated women very angry about the unqualified man being selected over Hillary.
Fascinating mess, isn't it?
djbtol
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
23 May 08
How exactly is this different from voting for Obama simply because he is black? I have heard people working for Obama in Pennsylvania openly declare that they did not waste much time on the West Virginia primary because those people down there were racists and it wasn't worth it. Well, maybe the major reason they failed so spectacularly is that they didn't bother. Calling an entire state racist because they don't automatically support your candidate IS racist.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
23 May 08
No, I didn't take what you said to mean that the entire state was racist but I have heard Obama workers say just that and it's their comments I was referring to, not yours.
@santuccie (3384)
• United States
22 May 08
I agree this is wrong. But on the flip side of the coin, I should admit that I was initially inclined to vote for Obama because he is black, and I felt that having a black president would help ease enmity between blacks and whites. I am white, and have plenty of black friends; but I have also encountered a lot of blacks who target whites with hostility because of this country's past.
However, I am now more inclined to vote for Clinton, but not because she is white or a woman. I am starting to believe that she is most likely to end the war in Iraq, and I also like her ideas about fuel and energy alternatives. And whether it was Bill or Hillary who really made the executive decisions sixteen to eight years ago, it was a Clinton who helped our economy. Perhaps they could do it again.
In any event, I would much rather see Obama get elected than McCain. Just like Bush, he'll continue to starve the working class while the fat cats get fatter. Just like Bush, he'll prolong the fighting forever and drive our country ever deeper into debt. Just like Bush, he'll think for himself, not the people.
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
22 May 08
I just have one question for you BD; what is so different of someone saying they are voting for Hillary because she is white and someone else saying they are voting for Obama because he will be the first black president? To me there is no difference but because it is a white saying they are voting white it makes it racial! If Obama weren't in this race, all of the blacks that are now voting for him would be lined up right behind Hillary so you can't say they aren't voting for him just because he is black because they are! Get a life!
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
22 May 08
My point exactly! Most blacks are voting for Obama simply because he is black, period! I know this because there are record numbers of blacks registering to vote for the first time! So I ask you; why is it okay for blacks to vote for Obama simply because he is black and would be the first black president and it is wrong for white people to vote for Hillary simply because she is white?
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
24 May 08
The really sad and, in my opinion, disgusting part is that if 20 percent ADMITTED to this attitude that probably means there's two or three times as many that won't admit to it because they don't wish to be labeled as racists or bigots! I think it's incredible and it shows that we really haven't progressed much at all, at least in some parts of the country. I wish I knew the solution to this problem but I'm afraid it's just a case of racial prejudice having been drilled into these people for generations and apparently it's still happening today. I've never been able to figure out how anyone could justify feeling they're better than someone else based only on the color of their skin!
Annie
@zeroflashx2 (2491)
• Philippines
22 May 08
Well.. I'm sorry to say that if some people do vote because of that, we can't imaging what will happen next. It's not that I'm saying that they are, but hopefully everyone would vote considering the candidate's ability to handle the position.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
25 May 08
I dont think thats really so and I think a lot are soured
on Obama because of what he thinks and not because of the
color of his skin. I would vote for Hilary because I like
the way she reasons much better than I do the other
candidates and no other reason. If she were purple I would still
support her. Dont sum all of us up because of a few as thats
way too judgmental.
@Remmie7 (167)
• United States
25 May 08
Hello Bd200789, I understand what you're trying to say. I think its unfair for anyone to vote purely on the gender, the color of the skin and just because. The main focus should be to vote and win over McCain. McCain is going to carry out what Bush would have done if he were in office. I don't like it when people put a label on you (people in general)this is one of the reasons why we can't come together as a whole. We need this very, very badly. I love Hillary and former President Bill Clinton. He did alot for us, and you better believe that when Bill was in the White House, Hillary had a hand in it somewhere helping Bill make some of those decisions. I ain't mad at her. Obama to me seems sincere just as Hillary to me. I like them both and I am undecided on who I will vote for. The one that will finally convince me they will do their best, not saying anything they think I want to hear, to do what they say they are going to do. We need change and baddddddddddddd!
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
22 May 08
Your statistics don't represent the feelings of the entire country because the U.S. is very large and it's populations are very diverse so, no, it's not still like it was here before the civil war. If most Americans felt that way Clinton would have the clear lead in the Democratic Primary but, as it is, she doesn't stand a chance.
Some areas of the country have stronger racial feelings than others and both West Virginia and Kentucky can be considered rural southern states. Education and the ability to interact with diverse groups of people help to stop prejudice and I believe the lack of those two activities have helped to keep these old beliefs alive. Not all states still hold prejudices based on race but, in general, it is more prevelant in the south than in the north.
@rckayla09 (113)
• United States
22 May 08
Bd200789, as a white American I will tell you exactly why I am not voting for Barack Obama if he wins the Democratic nomination; and it has nothing to do with his race or his religion (I know he's Christian not Muslim, but that doesn't matter). What does matter to me is the fact that he appears wimpish and not tough enough to deal with any enemy threats made against the United States of America. And yes Osama bin laden has directly threatened us, telling the world that he will kill as many Americans as he and his al qada pals can. Also, Barack Obama has not told us exactly 'how' he is going to go about 'changing' the way the U.S. government does things, 'how' he would help those living in poverty, 'how' he would help improve the economy, etc. He is not telling the American people 'how' he plans to change this country; that is why I am not voting for him if Hillary Clinton doesn't win the nomination. Barack Obama is beginning to sound just like all of the other politicians who make empty promises about 'changing things' and then don't change a damn thing once they're elected into office. I agree with you that it's truly sad and heartbreaking that some fellow Americans aren't voting for Barack just because he's African-American or they think he's a secret Muslim, because none of that concerns me at all.
@chrismas (7)
• United States
25 May 08
I can't speak for the people who are voting for Clinton because she is white, or for the large percentage of black voters who choose Obama over Clinton. I think that race has been brought up too much already. The country should be researching the candidates positions, and voting records to see who would make the best president.
@stephcjh (38473)
• United States
22 May 08
I have no clue. I really don't think it matters what color a person is these days as to who I would decide to vote for. I would vote for the person who would be the best and do the best job for all of us. I am very undecided as to who that person would be though. Race and gender does not hold a place in my decision though. I decide when I know who is the most sincere.
@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
22 May 08
Perhaps the answer - that "race played a part" - doesn't explain totally why these folks might have voted the way they did. It could be that they would have voted for either one, except that Obama's record of voting (horrible - including all those votes of "present" when he didn't want to show whether he was for or against something), his spending 20 years with a pastor who preached against the "rich white man", his condescending remarks in Pennsylvania, his flip-flopping and more...made more difference to them. Perhaps when they said race played a part in their voting, they meant that the way Obama (and his wife) think about race is what really played a part in the decision.
@johnny_ryall (4)
• United States
22 May 08
Just as there are many racists scattered across the country, there are likely a similar number of sexists.
There will be bigotry and hate-mongering against all groups of people, it isn't going anywhere and in my estimation, will probably get worse on some levels as we develop into a global economy.
The race issue has held Obama back and kept him from securing what would have been a sure thing had he been white (just a guess, he seems to be the closest candidate on either side of the aisle from the beginning with a true understanding of the voice of the American people as a whole; no more Bush, we need change).
What about the setbacks Hillary has seen because she's a woman? That might pose just as many, if not more, hurdles on the track. Maybe her scripted personality is what cost her the democratic nomination, but she has the resume to do the job...just not the testicular fortitude...and it seems to have cost her more than Obama's blackness has cost him.