Here's a question...
By wooitsmolly
@wooitsmolly (3613)
United States
6 responses
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
25 May 08
Plants do not feel pain because they do not have a central nervous system.
I used to worry about that myself and it almost made me stop eating! LOL Then I started thinking, what if plants had voices and screamed every time they were cut? We couldn't bear the noise when cutting the grass!
I wish my mind would just shut up sometimes. *GRIN*
@wooitsmolly (3613)
• United States
25 May 08
Do you not eat animals? (I'm assuming you don't based on your response, but just wondering.)
I don't think plants feel pain, but I have come across a few people who do. I am intrigued by the idea...
Actually, I know someone (barehugs, I'm lookin' at you!) who thinks plants do scream out when they are cut down. I tend to have to disagree with this...
@wooitsmolly (3613)
• United States
25 May 08
Of course I am in full support of your decision to go veggie
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
25 May 08
I used to be a vegetarian. Then I started eating meat again. I'm currently weaning myself back off of meat because of the sometimes cruel ways they go about killing the animals. Well, guess I could eat SOME meat because I live in the country and have lots of farmer neighbors. I know they treat the animals well and are humane when killing them. I can eat it as long as it doesn't look at me before it's on my plate.
Still, I feel bad when I think about it. I'll probably go totally vegetarian again. I was healthier and had more energy.
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@callarse1 (4783)
• United States
25 May 08
Yes they can, but it's different from the pain of animals because plants don't have anyway to communicate to us, nor do they have brain/nervous system to express it. However they are very aware of their environment so they probably know when they're being harvest or damaged.
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@wooitsmolly (3613)
• United States
25 May 08
Just curious how you define pain. If a plant is aware it is being harvested/damaged, is that pain?
Similarly, how do you define "aware"? Plants obviously don't have brains (right?) so in what way can they be aware?
I ask this because I think I know what you are saying in regards to plants being aware, but I don't know how to describe it myself. Obviously they move toward sunlight, photosynthesize, etc, so is this "awareness" or is there a better word for it?
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@callarse1 (4783)
• United States
2 Jun 08
Thanks for the best response. When I say "aware" I'm speaking about things like photosynthesis and replanting plants. We were always taught to give extra love and care when replanting them because they could go in die due to root damage. So I imagine they realize that their plant body is now cut and to start regrowing the plant.
Pablo
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@wooitsmolly (3613)
• United States
3 Jun 08
How do you think they "realize" anything with no brain? That's what I don't understand about people who think plants can "feel"... I just don't get how it is defined. As far as I have ever known in order to feel you need a brain/nervous system...
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@dodoguy (1292)
• Australia
26 May 08
Of course plants feel pain!
They feel the pain of loss when all their little friends are dug up or chopped down or eaten alive by bugs.
The feel the pain of thirst and hunger when they're not looked after properly.
And they feel the pain of waste and rejection when you don't appreciate the beauty and aroma of their flowers and foliage, or the flavor of their fruit and other juicy bits.
Plants live to give.
That's their nature.
I know, because I often do a Vulcan mind-meld with my favorite little plants.
@urbandekay (18278)
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26 May 08
No, I don't think so, why? Well pain in humans occurs in the brain, or at least the brain is necessary for it. Phantom limb pain I take to be sufficient evidence for that. Plants lacking any centrally organised reactive system seem to lack the necessary structures for pain. That is not to say that plants necessarily lack all sentience, they do go into 'shock' in certain conditions.
all the best urban
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
25 May 08
No, I don't believe so, plants do not have nerves or a brain. Therefore they feel no pain. Although plants do respond to the sun, so they do have a way to move, though it is primitive and limited.
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
25 May 08
Yes, without doubt plants can feel pain, and will take measures to avoid it. I'm a beekeeper in Bear Country, which means that I have to protect my beehives from destruction by marauding Black Bears. I do this by enclosing the beeyard with 3 strands of electrically charged wire. The 3 wires start about 6 inches from the ground and are 6 inches apart with the top wire being about knee height. One of the problems is to keep grass and weeds from growing up under the electric wire and shorting it out. However there is an interesting observation I never tire of watching. Wild grape vines can recognise a tree or fence post from up to 10 feet away and will send out vines directly to the upright object and begin to grow up and around it. However they will never attempt to climb on the electric fence, because they recognise the electrically charged wire would burn their tendrils. They will climb on a Page-Wire fence until their weigh breaks it down, but will never, ever, touch that electric wire! The reason being, the charged wire is surrounded by an electric field which the sensitive plant tendrils can feel, and they are intelligent enough to stay away!
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@wooitsmolly (3613)
• United States
25 May 08
How is it that you believe they recognize something from that far away? Do they "think"? They obviously can't see (right?) so how do you figure they do this?
You don't believe they have a brain, do you?
I am endlessly fascinated by the idea that plants can feel pain, though I still believe they cannot.
I am also curious about how they sense things.. I mean, I know plants move and lean toward sunlight, wrap around things, grow, etc etc but I don't know how. I think I need to do some research...