Should children be taught to stand up for themselves?
By makingpots
@makingpots (11915)
United States
May 26, 2008 11:50pm CST
I don't want to lean this discussion in one direction or another because I really want replies from all sides of this arguement. If a child your child does not know pushes your child on the playground, what do you teach your child that you expect them to do in response.
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@vicneedscoffee (1259)
• United States
27 May 08
My daughter was taught to tell the child to stop and walk away the first time. The second time she can protect herself and tell me. I was at a Chuckee Cheese when she was about e and a kid kept jumping on her. She came and told me and we went to another part of the place to play. The child followed her and kept up so I went to the child's father and told him to keep his kid away from mine. He laughed and said "kids will be kids." I was mad and saw my daughter was even more mad than I. Eventually she decked the kid. The father came over to give me heck and a biker dude who was their with his kids and had been going through the same thing came over and handled the father.
My daughter was also bullied in 4th grade by a child and it got physical. After that I taught my child some self-defense moves so it will not happen again. Two years ago a boy was hitting her, as he went to hit her again she chicken-winged him and put him face down on the ground in front of his brothers and some friends. Bullying has not been an issue since. She knows better than to throw a punch. I will punish her for that, but I will not punish her for protecting herself. I can't help it if parents don't teach their kids to respect others. I can't change those kids, but I can teach my child to take care of herself.
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@makingpots (11915)
• United States
28 May 08
Thanks for sharing your story, vicneedscoffee. I love getting everyone's input.
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@GardenGerty (160949)
• United States
31 May 08
How sweet, I love the kiss story, and I can imagine it happening.
@Shaun72 (15959)
• Palatka, Florida
30 May 08
Yeah I agree in some situations like the one you desribed it is better to handle it yourself. I was taught to fight back if I needed to. At the same time I feel like a adult might need to know it it keeps happing. I did get in a small fight years ago myself in high school over something stupid. The girl I think was just wanting to cause problems for me.
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@makingpots (11915)
• United States
30 May 08
Thankfully I am not personally having this problem with my little guy. He is still just 3 and not in school yet. But we do attend lots of playdates and it has come about now and then that children who's moms we don't know are at parks with us. I have been surprised at how wide ranging every one's opinion on this topic seems to be. I want to be ready with how I feel about this for the first time it comes up.
When my son was 23 months old, we were at an indoor playhouse type thing and he and a little boy about a year older than him both wanted to ride the same little car. I was about 15 feet away and I saw the little tug of war happening. I watched but wanted to let them work it out themselves. I could not see the other little boys face, but I saw him lean in and get face to face with my son. My son kissed him, right on his check. The little boy let go and went to play elsewhere. I laughed so hard!!!!! At that age, when someone leans close they are usually wanting a kiss. It was the sweetest thing.
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@toosh21 (800)
• Australia
27 May 08
I believe all children should be made to stand up for themselves - to a point. I don't believe in pulling punches etc, but I don't believe anyone should stand there & be a punching bag either - self defense is the key. My children will be taught to defend themselves but not to hurt anyone intentionally.
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@makingpots (11915)
• United States
30 May 08
I value your responses, toosh. Thanks.
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@bamakelly (5191)
• United States
13 Feb 09
Yes. All children should have some form of guidance as to standing up for themselves. We have to show them their values and that they are humans that should be respected. A bully does not show much respect apparently. I think sometimes a parent could feel like they are in the middle in a case like this. I think that I wouldn't be sure whether to tell him to fight back or run away. It depends on the situation at hand.
@ladym33 (10979)
• United States
27 May 08
It depends on the age. It also depends on how many pushes we are talking about. For just one push, my thought is let it go, but if a kid is chasing mine around and pushing them more than once I would try to intervene, or get the other Mom's attention and show them what their child is doing in a nice way of course. I have never told any of my kids in these situations to push another kid back or hit them, or anything like that. But there have been times when my kids have come home from school complaining about another kid being mean to them. If it persists I give them my blessing to be mean back, but not physical. I personally as a kid was too nice, and never stood up for myself until later, and I really wish that I had. I don't want my kids to feel that they should be picked on by anyone.
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@makingpots (11915)
• United States
28 May 08
I agree that a lot depends on age. Thank you for the input.
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@bamakelly (5191)
• United States
13 Feb 09
I think it is true about how much someone is being pushed. Also at what age it is. I don't want to teach my child just to hit someone back. I don't know why a child feels it necessary to push another child around. It just seems that it is what happens when children are around other children. They feel the need to provoke.
@Lizzie_PK_Swann (39)
• United States
27 May 08
I have a 10 year old son whom I have explained to that he needs to go to the one in charge of the playground, if someone is actually picking on or bullying him, when he is at school. Sometimes when he's at school, I don't feel I get the whole story. Especially when he claims he did go to the one in charge and it was not dealt with at all. Of course there is a fine line between protecting yourself in this manner and just tattling. I would tell him to fight back in these instances, because he is so much smaller than almost everyone in his class, but I do think he'd end up being the one who gets into trouble. He has a history of being just different, because he has Aspergers and ADHD, so the teachers seem to single him out, and find fault in him.
I have also taught him a bit of how to defend himself, and plan to show him a bit more as he gets older and can learn the real difference between self-defense and getting carried away with stopping bullying.
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@makingpots (11915)
• United States
30 May 08
Hi, Lizzie. Thank you for sharing your story with us. My heart breaks for your little guy. I'm sorry you don't feel support from school. May you find some soon. Blessings.
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@bamakelly (5191)
• United States
13 Feb 09
That is a good way of thinking also. There seem to be some different views on this subject of bullying. I might suggest the same thing. Tell the child to go to the one in charge of the play area. Let them handle it in some way.
Aspergers and ADHD must be a challenge for you. Someone bullying him probably doesn't make matters easy. I wish you luck with these situations. Take care friend.
@aiyreen (286)
• Philippines
27 May 08
i'll tell my kid to keep his distance from that kid but if the kid keeps on chasing him/her then i'll tell him/her to tell the kid to stop pushing him and if all fails, i'll go to my kid and show the other kid that i saw what he'she's doing and just give him that stare and pull my kid away from him. i think it's still not good to fight especially with me watching. but' if ever i'm not around and this thing happen, i'll tell my kid to fight back.
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@bamakelly (5191)
• United States
13 Feb 09
That is a good idea to tell your child to keep their distance. That might only work for a while depending on how persistent the bully happens to be. The bully might not quit until he gets the attention from it that he wants. The bully is just having a form of insecurity about himself as far as I am concerned.
I would hate to see my child fighting. It might happen and it can't be helped at times.
@nmw2005 (1197)
• United States
27 May 08
It would have to depend on the situation and of course the childs age. School age: If another child was just yelling at my daughter with no physical contast, I plan to tell het to walk away. In the event that someone pushes her first, again I plan to tell her to walk away, but if they keep touching her she will know how to defend herself. I will never tolerate her being a bully, but will back her up if she is being bullied.
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@Some_dude (86)
• Canada
28 May 08
Of course children should stand up for themselves. I know this one kid, and he was never taught to stand up for himself, and know everyone makes fun of him and bullies him, and he justs allows them. Kids should know how to stand up for themselves, and I always think they should know how to fight (now I'm talking about older kids 12+) should know how/when to fight. Like if the kid is being rushed buy another kid, he should know how to fight back.
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@makingpots (11915)
• United States
30 May 08
Yes, it depends a lot on age and the case. Thank you for the input, subha.
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@mummymo (23706)
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27 May 08
Sweets both my children are big for their age and I always made sure Niall knew he had to be careful not to hurt others but I truly believe that I pushed him too far in this direction as no matter what we have tried to teach him since he has never learned how to defend himself! With Niamh she definitely knows how to defend herself but as you know doesn't want to get in trouble by doing so. I think it is difficult to know what to answer to this one as it is only a push and not an all out attack or placing them in much danger - I think I would prefer my kids knew how to speak to someone doing that and walking away - it shows that they can deal with conflict and that you don't always have to react to violence with violence! If it was worse then I would definitely say they would have to retaliate! xxx
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@makingpots (11915)
• United States
30 May 08
Thanks, Mo. You know your input is always valuable to me.
Thankfully I am not personally having this problem with my little guy being that he is still just 3. But we do attend lots of playdates and it has come about now and then that children who's moms we don't know are at parks with us. I have been surprised at how wide ranging every one's opinion on this topic seems to be. I want to be ready with how I feel about this for the first time it comes up.
When my son was 23 months old, we were at an indoor playhouse type thing and he and a little boy about a year older than him both wanted to ride the same little car. I was about 15 feet away and I saw the little tug of war happening. I watched but wanted to let them work it out themselves. I could not see the other little boys face, but I saw him lean in and get face to face with my son. My son kissed him, right on his check. The little boy let go and went to play elsewhere. I laughed so hard!!!!! At that age, when someone leans close they are usually wanting a kiss. It was the sweetest thing.
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@williamjisir (22819)
• China
27 May 08
Hello dear makingpots. Such being the case, I think that there is need for our child to stand up to protect himself by asking the pushing kid why he does so instead of pushing him back, which will only lead to a worse situation, ie, kids' fighting, which is not what I expect. I teach my kid to solve anything in a peaceful way to avoid any more contradictions...
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@makingpots (11915)
• United States
30 May 08
Thank you for the input, williamjisir.
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@ayessa (1583)
• Philippines
27 May 08
If that happens I won't teach my child to fight back. Id rather teach her to stand and maybe ask the other child why he has to do it.
I dont know maybe it might not the way to happen it since most of the time a child will just cry and ask for their moms. Or they might fight bcak. But as much as possible I dont want my kid to fight back.
@angel41465 (55)
• United States
27 May 08
My son is in 1st grade, he has recently had trouble with a boy who is a couple years older than he is. The boy is a neighbor. The bullying occurs on the bus and here. I have called the school and told his guardian. Still he picks at my son. I finally told my son that if he continues and he feels threatened to definately defend himslf. I certainly will not see my son being walked on. This is jut my opinion, though.
@bamakelly (5191)
• United States
13 Feb 09
That is a shame. Sometimes you try to get help and nothing gets done and the bullying and picking on continues. I would not want my child to be walked on either. Sounds like you have tried. The only thing left to do is to let your son stand up for himself. He deserves to be treated right. Not be bullied all of the time.
@sk66rc (4250)
• United States
28 May 08
I've been teaching my 8 yr old daughter Aikido for past 3 years... It's a form of self-defense... It's none violent way to end a lot of conflicts... People see martial arts as a form of hurting other people but the core of it is really not... It has more to do with control... Having self control and control of others who are trying to hurt you & your loved ones, and control of the situation... I've been taking Aikido ever since I was kid & it's never about "hitting" someone or breaking someone's bones like you see in the movies... Ok, there are some, what I'd call, "tapping" but no serious injury causing hits or kicks or anything of that nature... It's actually about protecting yourself & even your attacker(s)... It's about having control over your attacker's action to the point where he/she's not able to hurt you or even him/herself... I still remember my daughter throwing a boy twice her size practically across the play ground... Like some others, I never teach my child to "hit" another but to protect herself & it's never right to hurt anyone else... Her first concern should be creating an opportunity to get away from hostile situation... If anyone's interested, look into a self-defense "Aikido"... Has a great teaching & belief behind it...
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@bamakelly (5191)
• United States
13 Feb 09
I suppose there are different ways of defending one's self. Bullying amongst children is something that is just going to happen and you cannot help it. We can only help our children and guide them in the right direction and hope it goes well from there.
I don't think I have heard of Aikido. Seems like a decent form of self defense without really hurting someone with punching or hitting hard.
@k101707 (102)
• United States
27 May 08
I would teach my child to walk away and tell someone just because if he would fight back he would probly get in big troube. I was taught that if someone pusshes me around to not take it and if they hit me first I am going to defend myself. I am going to teach my children to be the bigger person and do the right thing but at the same time they will be able to defend themselves.
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@bamakelly (5191)
• United States
13 Feb 09
I think it is a good idea to a degree to have your child walk away. I think that it can possibly make him the better person. Don't let the bully get the best of you so to speak. Defending yourself shouldn't be wrong in some cases either. Teaching children to do the right thing is very important as a parent. We want them to grow up and make the right choices.
@sunshine4 (8703)
• United States
28 May 08
I taught my children if they are being bullied or picked on, to tell the other child to stop it and then walk away. If the child contines, to go and tell either the teacher or if I am there with them to tell me. I have never condoned physical violance.
Once my children got older, they were taught to stand up for themselves by using their words and actions, not their fists.
@Annmac (949)
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31 May 08
My children are adults now, but I tried to teach them to be 'better' than the other kid and 'walk away' but if all else failed to fight back.
I've spent my life being bullied or talked down to because of being small (I'm 4ft 9in) and girls can be even nastier than boys!
I tried to prepare my children to meet the bullies of the world, especially my son who was a lot smaller than average, wore glasses, had braces and was studious rather than sporty.
We used to tell him all the names he might get called and it seemed to help. If called something, instead of getting upset, he'd ask them to "At least come up with something original".
I think I'd want him to walk away the first time it happened, and be wary next time he saw the other child!
It really depends on the circumstances though and whether I was there or not.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
31 May 08
It depends on the age and size of both kids. if they are
in the early teens yes teaach them to defend themselves
get pushed you push back. but little kids thats a different
story. they should be taught to just walk away from a kinder
gartener who shoves them. no war.
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@jashley1 (746)
• United States
27 May 08
Wow, this is a really great post because it is a real question and very difficult to answer. My husband and I are Christians and so we are raising our children according to the Bible and the Bible states that we are to "turn a cheek" when something like this happens. However, Christians cannot be completely passive and there is a misunderstanding because people expect that they can walk all over Christians as well, which is not true. We had an instance when our oldest was about three years old, and she is just the sweetest child - very caring and compassionate. Well, this little girl on the playground was just pouring sand on top of her head over and over again and when I picked her up - she was just standing there crying. I was really irritated by this and my husband and I decided that we had to teach her how to stand up for herself. It is very important. There are too many bullies and punks out there in life and children are the cruelist. Now, it's hard to teach a child good reasoning as to when it's ok to fight back and when it isn't. However, we are doing our best to teach our children that if there are mean kids in school - stay away from them because we don't want "mean" people as friends. If a child does something mean such as hit, shove, or anything physical or verbal (name calling), they should definately tell their teacher about it, but if someone does push them, they should stand up for themselves and tell that child to knock it off. If the child does it again, then they have our permission to hit them back. But immediately after that to tell a teacher. I know this may seem wrong to some people, but I'd rather have my child fighting for herself than just crying about it and being known as the kid bullies can pick on. I refuse for that to happen.
@jessieBee (1046)
• Trinidad And Tobago
28 May 08
Well i will teach my child to stand up for one's self.
But not to push back the child at first. tell the other child never to push you again or go tell your teacher. But if that child continues to bully mine and the teacher isn't really doing anything to relieve the situation. Then i would let my child take matter into his/her own hands, by pushing back the child.
But violence is not the answer. It's most likely that the child doing the bullying is doing exactly what is taking place in his/her home. Children do what they are taught.
we as parents need to teach our kids the right things, because hitting back won't necessarily solve the problem.
That's why we have so many violence going on in our schools.
@sxrxnrr45601 (1171)
• United States
28 May 08
yes I child should be taught this! I am a frim beleaver in this! My son while in kindergraden was being bullied by another student I delt with the best I could with calling the school I even went as far as calling the school board I sent my son to school with out marks on him I exspect him to come home the same way. I was glad to see the school year end. well this school year started off pretty good about a month ago my son came home with an ice bag on his head the same student from the year before started in again ! Though I do not condone fighting last week I get a knock at the do its my sons princeable bring my son home at 1200 noon he was kicked out of school for the day because the same student that had been bullie my son spit in his face and I guess my son had just had enough which I can understand and hit the boy a few times. using no weapons or nothing like that just a 7 year old boy fighting with another 7 years old boy. the boy has not messed with my son since! So yes I do think you should teach your childern to stand up for them selves and stand up for what they beleave in!!!!!
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