I was schocked,when I heard
By dreamertink
@dfollin (25351)
United States
June 3, 2008 7:56pm CST
I belong to a baptist church and some people that lived in a housing project not far away from it started going there and one was a pastor in training.All these people started basically taking over the church.I was put in a circumstance where I had to move myself and my daughter to a town,not too far away.My car broke and we had to stop going to that church.I was talking to my mother who lives not far from the church and she told me today that the new pastor in training had become the youth pastor there and him and his girlfriend had taken some of the teens,including some relatives to the pastor on a trip about 4 or 5 states away.When they got there his girlfriend said she had a personal item missing and said that one of the kids had to had stollen it.Then they were told that no one could go anywhere they stayed in their rooms and missed their events.Then just before they were supposed to leave she found what was missing.But,they had already missed most of their events.When they got home they told the pastor what had happened and he took the two adults into his office and asked them what happened and they confirmed the story the kids had told.The pastor told them that was not a way to handle it.The pastor in training said well it does not matter if they were guilty of stealing or not they were brats and that they should be punished anyway.Then this pastor in training cussed at the pastor!I couldn't believe it.Would you be shocked too?
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@dfollin (25351)
• United States
4 Jun 08
Apparently he was in training thru the pastor commision or whatever you want to call it.He apparently quit right on the spot and all the other people from that housing development left the church as well.It seems to me that they were not going there for the right reason's anyway.They apparently have started there own informal church there in the community room at the housing complex.
I did not get this story first hand.I try not to gossip,but it just shocked and I had to tell someone.
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@Shaun72 (15959)
• Palatka, Florida
4 Jun 08
I was raised in Baptist churches myself and I agree I wouild be shocked if there was a man at the churches that I have been to in the past that would have talked to a paster this way espically about the youth group. He should have tried to be friends with them him and his girl friend both and also check there rooms but not punish the whole youth group.
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@dfollin (25351)
• United States
4 Jun 08
I do not know this pastor in training.However I do know his parents.They ran the Awana at the church,which I did not like how they ran it and they brought people from the complex they live in and they were making changes in that church that I did not like.We moved and my car broke before their son came and became the youth pastor and pastor in training.I know that is is wrong to typecast him based on his family members.But,it appears that they think alike.The seinor pastor is a very nice man and we were very happy at that church until they all came and started making some major changes.I found that even the senior pastor was not his nice usual self after they came.And it was just not me,other people had told me that too.Well everything happens for a reason.Wonder if everyone involved see's it.Everyone involved needs our prayers.
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@dfollin (25351)
• United States
4 Jun 08
Believe me I do understand that they are just human,but the youth pastor taking teens on a trip and right off the bat accusing them of stealing with no proof and punishing them in a place that was not appropiate.Punishing them was wrong without proof anyway.Then getting home and saying that they were brats anyway and that they needed to be punished anyway.Then cussing at the seinor pastor.That was too much to make me feel like it was done on purpose for his own agenda.Also after they came there the other associate pastor left there a few months later and has never once called back there to say Hi,Merry Christmas,How are you?, nothing!And the seinor pastor is not exactly young(even thou he acts like it
),they might of thought he was going to retire.
),they might of thought he was going to retire.1 person likes this
@randomosity_prevails (1110)
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4 Jun 08
That sounds really harsh. I can understand the girlfriend being mad that something had gone missing, but it sounds like she took a bit of a leap, to the children stealing it from her. Surely it would have been better to have asked the children if anyone had done it, and chosen to deal with it at home.
Alternatively, she could have just looked better, seeing as she found it a few days later! It sounds like neither of them have any idea how to deal with teenagers.
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@Sharon38 (1912)
• Jamaica
4 Jun 08
I think that it utterly disrespectful. THere is no way that I could ever talk to my Pastor that way. I love my Pastor so much that even when I dont feel like soing something when he finishes with me I feel like doing it.
I would be shocked too and those people needs to be disciplined. I hope the host pastor does somethign before they damage the youths and cause a break away. One thing I have learnt in life is that not all Pastors are called by God to lead teh flock some are man appointed and they do more damages in the church than anyone else.
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@dfollin (25351)
• United States
4 Jun 08
That's part of the reason I was so shocked,that another pastor acted in such a disrespectful manor.I love my pastor also.He is such a nice and caring man.I have known pastors also that were not called by God and has made things alot worse.
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@k8cath (341)
• Philippines
4 Jun 08
That's really very rude! How come he takes charge of your church? In my place, the pastors that could teach the congregation would first be voted of and be ordained before they could lead the whole church.
Anyway, about the girl, is she a Christian herself? I think not, because her conduct would not be like that - taking the blame on the teens! Of course, she must first be looking out for evidences and such before she could make any arguments.
Your situation is really bad, I wish I could help...
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@stephcjh (38473)
• United States
4 Jun 08
I don't think much of anything shocks me these days. I think we about heard it all by now. There has been so many things happen in the world that you never would have thought of years ago. No one can be trusted and people are just so unkind anymore. I think alot of people lost morals and values. I don't know what the world is coming to anymore.
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@slickcut (8141)
• United States
4 Jun 08
Well i think the pastor in training needs to be removed from his post and he needs to start sitting in the congregation and learning some more before he needs to hold office in the church..He was wrong for accussing any of those teens just because his g/f misplaced an item..It was unfair to the teens and he does not need to be OVER anything... The fact that he cursed out the Pastor proves his bad attitude..It appears to me this young pastor in training needs to take some training in the matter of love and charity...He certainly was not in the perfect will of God the way he handled things...He not only was very wrong,he had no respect for the man of God...Well yes it would be shovking to hear such news,but the longer I live i have seen so much, nothing surprises me anyhmore....
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@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
4 Jun 08
I wonder if this pastor really had any school to his credit. A lot of people call themselves pastor. It also sounds like the pastor was living with his girlfriend when they were homeless..that is rare. It sounds like he and his girlfriend took advantage of your pastor and church. I hope he got rid of him.
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@dfollin (25351)
• United States
4 Jun 08
That's ok.Not enough coffee yet,huh? No,I said that there were some people that lived in a housing community and among them was a pastor in training.I did not mention his girlfriend till later in the story.I never mentioned where she lives.I don't know where she lives.
No,I said that there were some people that lived in a housing community and among them was a pastor in training.I did not mention his girlfriend till later in the story.I never mentioned where she lives.I don't know where she lives.1 person likes this
@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
4 Jun 08
I admit I am a little sleepy...I misread the housing as homeless. I apologize for that. Your discussion says they were living " " ......so that sounds like they are living together. Unless they were just roommates, if a man and woman live together as boyfriend and girlfriends, they are thought to be cohabitatiing. I have never met a minister who would live with his girlfriend as it would not be appropriate.
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@SheliaLee (2736)
• United States
4 Jun 08
I would have most definitely been shocked!! It sounds like the church needs to seriously reconsider this young man as the youth pastor of the church. If he would act that way in this type of situation there is no telling how he would react if something even more serious came up. As for cussing at the pastor, that needs to be addressed also. If this man is truly a Christian he would not talk that way to anyone, much less his pastor. This young man needs prayer first and then spoken with regarding his attitude.
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@dfollin (25351)
• United States
4 Jun 08
Your right he does need prayer.He quit right then and there and his parents were the heads of the Awana in the church quit too.In my opinion and other people's opinion they were not handleing the Awana very well anyway.And all the people that they had brought over from the neighborhood with them left as well.
@twallace (2675)
• United States
4 Jun 08
That was something that i would not have expected a pastor in training to do. But I think that the head pastor should have went on the trip. For something like that to happen makes it look bad on the head pastor. He doesn't know who he has under him. That's not good. I know a lot of the parents in the church were upset about this.
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@dfollin (25351)
• United States
5 Jun 08
I bet they were.I have not talked to them yet.Like I said I do not live nearby the church anymore and I do not have a car.I don't think the head pastor went because of a few reason's.One being he had o be at the church on Sunday morning and evening as well as Wednesday night to hold service.On Tuesday's him,his wife and other's go sing gospel songs at a nursing home and I do know that he has other obligations.Two,he is in his 70's and I don't think he could keep up with teens in a busy city.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Jun 08
I think that the pastor in training and the girl friend
are both unfit to be a pastor in training at all.Why
punish the teens just for being teens? thats shocking
all right. and should not have ever happened.that was
not any way for a pastor to handle it for sure.
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@dfollin (25351)
• United States
5 Jun 08
I agree they handled it badley.But I do think they had another agenda in mind.
@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
4 Jun 08
Yes, that is shocking - both the girlfriend's behavior and the pastor in training's behavior. When my son was in the youth group and we had a young man who was the youth director and in seminary, his girlfriend often helped when they had trips too. But because they were both so young themselves and because most of the parents were not, we always made sure at least one or two parents went on any outing.
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@gunslinger (184)
• Philippines
5 Jun 08
This is quite a shocking thing to happen. The senior pastor should inform the pastor in training that he didn't behave in a way a pastor is expected to behave. Imagine what would happen to the other parishioners if they see this and worse, if they were treated this way. I don't want to add another weight to the pastor's responsibilities but it is important for all his students to behave properly. If he thinks that individual will not be able to handle matters like this in a professional way, then probably he's not a person suited to be a pastor.
@egnima (2)
• Singapore
4 Jun 08
This is definitely one man's weakness and pride... He is a pastor in training, thats why he is in training and not a pastor to adminster others... I am sure the pastor in-charge will deal with the training pastor in a serious manner.
I do not know which verse and chapter to quote but I do remember that when one is not careful, we couldend up like being a pharisee... Pray about this matter and all shall come to past for the Lord will give us all wisdom. He still loves us always even when we, sinners have sinned and make mistakes. Praise the Lord for we are made to stand in righteous and bodly infront of God for He is seeing us with no faults in His eyes... Amen!
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