I really need some good advice
By RebeccaLynn
@RebeccaLynn (2256)
United States
June 9, 2008 12:58am CST
My husband's niece is 23 and has four children ages 7 and under. She is still in her "party phase" and leaves the babies with whoever will watch them for a few days.
The oldest had been living with his Grandmother but she is like her daughter and spends too much time partying so he has spent the past 6 months living with my in-laws (which happen to be his great grandparents) They are in their 70's.
They are here visiting us and they have asked us to consider raising him.
We really want to. I have wanted him since the day he was born. The thing is, we live 800 miles from his mother and my in-laws.
His mother wants him around when she feels like visiting him and she'll more than likely have a problem with the distance.
This little boy is 7. This past Christmas he asked for a gun from Santa so that he could shoot his mother in the foot so she would have to stay home with him. He is failing in school and fighting a lot. This baby NEEDS a stable home and we so desperately want to give it to him but how do we approach his mother about it?
How do I tell another mother that we want to raise her child without offending her and possibly severing the relationship?
3 people like this
14 responses
@GnosticGoddess (5626)
• United States
9 Jun 08
I did something similar once. I offered to take my cousins children from their hands. I said it as gently as I could think of and she said I did not offend her. And we're still friends.
I just told her that if she wanted me to we'd take in her kids. I made it sound as much as I could as an escape for her. She nearly agreed but she choose to fight it out. She is single and young as well and was having a hard time with it. She also knows that door is open though if she does change her mind.
I would approach it similarly to her. I know the distance between you all is a bit of a drive but she might agree to it anyway. I would tell her to that you don't want this to effect your relationship with her but you are more than willing to help her out and to take some of the burden from her shoulders.
Good luck and let us know how it goes.
2 people like this
@RebeccaLynn (2256)
• United States
9 Jun 08
That is a really good idea to approach it from that angle.
She is young and she is struggling as a parent. I actually think she is getting burnt out as a parent.
I'm nervous to talk to her because I love her to and I don't want to hurt her. My husband is like a knight with shining armour to her. He was the only strong male presence in her life as she grew up because her mom was out playing too.
Thank you for your' advice. Now I'll just have to work on the wording. How did you begin when you approached your cousin?
2 people like this
@GnosticGoddess (5626)
• United States
9 Jun 08
Like your niece she was getting burnt out too. She had one then three months later she was pregnant again. Then not nine months after her youngest was born the dad decieded he didn't want her - and basically the kids either. Though he puts up a good family front (he's actually my cousin but I claim her too LOL).
I think when I approached it I said something like "I have something I want to say/ask you but I'm afraid it will offend you." When she urged me on I said something like "Well I've been thinking that if you wanted us / needed us to take the boys off your hands we would be willing to do so." I know it went something like that. I was really timid about it - in earnest though. I'm sure you understand that though :)
I think it's good that she looks up to your hubby like that cause that might help.
2 people like this
@RebeccaLynn (2256)
• United States
10 Jun 08
You hit the nail on the head. That's exactly how I feel.
I don't want to hurt or offend her. I love her.
I will approach her as you suggested. I think that would be the best way. It's humble and unoffensive. I'll let you know how it goes. Thank you so much for your' help!
1 person likes this
@crixiegreen (195)
• Philippines
9 Jun 08
i read that the boy wants to stay with you. thats a good sign. at this point, you should not worry about offending the mom. save the kid while hes still young. you are right, he needs a stable home. dont waste time and it might affect him psychologically. his mother only likes him when shes lonely but doesnt care about him that much as long as she parties. talking to her will put some sense into her head.
i am also concerned with the other children. if you took the boy in.. whos taking care of the rest? are they also being taken care of? where is her husband by the way? sorry to pry..i am a mom too and my son is at the top of my list. him first before me.
2 people like this
@RebeccaLynn (2256)
• United States
10 Jun 08
You aren't prying. I'm the one who put this out there so I expect questions to arise. I feel about my children the way that you feel about yours. They come first.
The other children have dads (yes plural. There are three dads between the four kids) in their' lives, so I can't take them.
But this one has no one. His dad never wanted him and won't have anything to do with him.
I think little boys need a father figure in their' lives just as much as little girls need a mother. My husband is willing to be that man for him. I really hope she lets us take him!
@RebeccaLynn (2256)
• United States
11 Jun 08
Thank you so much. You are very sweet and I truly appreciate your' prayers!
@crixiegreen (195)
• Philippines
11 Jun 08
thank you for sharing this story. i am deeply touched with your sincerity and care for that child. i hope you find courage to talk to the mother of the boy. He will be in good hands. right now the only thing i can do is to support you through my prayers. i hope that God will grant this the soonest as possible. good luck.
1 person likes this
@roniroxas (10560)
• Philippines
9 Jun 08
this is not an easy situation. some mothers out there are not yet ready to be a mom but when you say something about it they will be so angry and so deffensive. every child needs a stable home it is their right. now what ever you are going to say with this niece of your husband it will really create something, but i hope it would turn out to be a good one. try to talk to the child first he might not want to be separated to his mom.
2 people like this
@RebeccaLynn (2256)
• United States
9 Jun 08
I have talked to him. Every time we talk to him on the phone, or when we have visited, he begs us to let him live with us. That's why my in-laws asked us. I should have made that clear. I apologize.
But you are right. If I approach this the wrong way it will blow up in my face and he will be lost to us.
I don't know if I made it clear but we adore him. He has some issues that we will have to work on but he's young enough to be taught right and he's got a great heart! I love him like my own son. So this is very important to me.
I hope this will turn out to be good too!
1 person likes this
@RebeccaLynn (2256)
• United States
10 Jun 08
I have thought about that. We want to raise him until his mother is stable enough to offer him a stable home. I don't want to take the place of his mother. We just love him and want the best for him.
Thank you for hoping it goes well. I appreciate your' advice.
@roniroxas (10560)
• Philippines
9 Jun 08
it is nice to hear that you adore the child and it is also nice to hear that the child wants to stay with you too. i hope this turn out to be okay. this happened once to my aunt she got her grandchild to stay with her. the mom said it was okay. then after a year or so the mother came back to get her child. my aunt was so hurt that she got sick because of loneliness. you have to make sure on this before you do something. just want to remind you that this is not your child. when you get so much attached then the parent will get the child it would be so painful for you.
1 person likes this
@jczvrse (169)
• United States
9 Jun 08
My goodness that is a very hard thing to do, but you are doing it as the best interest of the child. She needs to realize she can not be a mother of convienience she needs to be with her children all the time. Your life doesn't have to end when you have kids but you party responsibly. It seems that her life comes before her kids life. The child does need stability and if you can give it to him and are willing to then you should do it, sure she may be angry with you at first but sooner or later she will realize it was for the best and forgive and hopefully improve her life if not for herself but for the kids.
2 people like this
@RebeccaLynn (2256)
• United States
10 Jun 08
I hope that eventually she will understand that her children should come first. But until that day arrives, I want to raise him and give him the kind of home that every child deserves.
I don't want to cause a family war. I just want to help him.
@Palmerhusky (843)
• United States
9 Jun 08
this person is not a responsible parent and as much as i hate to say it those children need and deserve something much more stable than that and they should probably be taken away and placed in a place more stable until their mother can get her act together. Thats what happened with me and my other 8 siblings. she wanted to have fun...she became a baby factory and lost all but one of her kids and is about to lose that one too. if we had all stayed with her who knows what could have happened to us. it doesn't sound like abuse...but its most definitely neglect.
2 people like this
@RebeccaLynn (2256)
• United States
10 Jun 08
Neglect takes it's toll just like physical abuse. He doesn't understand why she isn't there for him so he acts out to get her attention. We just want to give him a stable, loving home where the attention he gets is positive instead of negative.
@RebeccaLynn (2256)
• United States
10 Jun 08
She is my husband's niece and we love her. Faults and all.
Eventually she will grow up and he will want to go back to her, so we don't want this to get ugly. We have to look beyond the short term.
@jerkyong (305)
• Philippines
20 Jun 08
it is a normal feeling for a child wanting to go back to her mother but if you leave her alone now, what is she to become? at least she'll learn better values while growing up and eventually, she will have the better knowledge to decide whats right for herself. but for now, she needs good people to take care of her and teach her those values that are important in life.
1 person likes this
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
16 Jun 08
Oh dear, how sad is this. Here is a wonderful opportunity for you and the little one and you don't know which way to turn. I so wish I could help you or at least point ypou in the right direction. Perhaps try and find a solicitor who specialises in family law?
I wish you luck....and joy!
@RebeccaLynn (2256)
• United States
17 Jun 08
We want to help him but at the same time, we want to avoid the family war it will cause if we get an attorney involved.
We're hoping to work it out with our niece first. I don't want to take him away from her ppermanently and in no way am I trying to become his mother. I just want to give him a chance in life.
If it comes to going to court, we'll cross that bridge. I just hope that we don't have to.
@youdontsay (3497)
• United States
10 Jun 08
Perhaps it is time to call in Children's Services to protect those children. Perhaps you could arrange to be foster parents for him until adoption is achieved.
If you are truly interested in the welfare of the children, offending their mother by exposing her neglect will have to be confronted.
It sounds like you might be in different states, which could cause complications. I'd suggest you talk to an attorney who does Family Law to see what the best way is to help the boy.
Bless you for caring. I hope you can do something to rescue them somehow.
@Gemmygirl1 (2867)
• Australia
9 Jun 08
I don't think you should be concerned with severing a relationship or offending a mother who is obviously not acting like much of a mother anyway.
Tell her straight that you would like her oldest to come & live with you, you think you could help him with his studies & help to keep him out of trouble with the fighting etc.
After giving it some thought, i don't think there's any way you could bring up this whole thing without offending someone. So you're better off getting straight to the point & be honest with her, no point in tip-toeing around!I know a couple people (2 of my partner's siblings) who are both now 23 & both have 4 kids - 5 years or under. I think that even though they try, they really don't put enough effort in to raising their kids & kind of expect others to be helping out a lot more than they really should be.
Perhaps you should get his Great Grandparents to sit down & chat with her about you guys raising the child - it might seems a little less confronting coming from them than you - at the age of 70 or so, you cant expect them to be raising young children just coz their own mother wont do it.
I hope that's of some help & i hope you guys end up with the little boy but what about the other 3 kids? Wont they need someone to raise them as well? Especially being younger & needing more guidance.
@RebeccaLynn (2256)
• United States
9 Jun 08
My in-laws do plan to talk to her when they get back home. They said that they will do whatever it takes to get her to see that he will be better off with us. But I'm still going to have to talk to her personally, regardless of whether they convince her or not.
I have to handle it delicately because if I come off sounding like I'm saying "You're a bad mother and I can do a better job" she is going to get offended and tell us no and then her son is screwed.
We can't take her other three because they have two different dads between the three youngest and the dads are involved in their lives. The oldest one was abandoned by his dad before he was born.
We have three children of our own. Our children are A students and not to toot my own horn, they are great kids.
We know that we can give him a loving, stable home where Mom and Dad (in this case Aunt and Uncle) are there everyday for every need. And if I don't handle this right he will never know what it is to have that.
1 person likes this
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
10 Jun 08
Your niece sounds like she needs to grow up. she has four
kids and has no idea of responsiblity at all evidently.His
greatg grandparents are in their 70s which is getting
along and might be hard put to care fo him til he was grown
This is a sticky situation for sure, as his mom is still his
]mom. but you sound like you would be better parents for
the child.I would talk to the mom candidly and tactfully'and
see just where her interests really lie.
1 person likes this
@RebeccaLynn (2256)
• United States
10 Jun 08
I am going to talk to her. I have no choice. She is the one who will ultimately decide whether or not he can come live with us.
She will eventually grow up and become a woman. Until then, we want to help her little boy without tearing the family apart.
@SusanLee (1920)
• United States
9 Jun 08
I've noticed this seems to be the norm for a lot of young parents these days. I had trouble with my own daughter when she had my grandson.
I don't know where she got this mentality. It wasn't from me. I was home with mine and when I worked, I came home when I got off and that's where I stayed, doing mom stuff.
All of her cousins were raised the same way, parents stayed home and raised them, those that had to work, just came home after work and tended to their children and families.
My daughter is a single parent, everyone needs a little out time without the kids. When she wanted me to babysit, it was always an all nighter. Why can't they go out for a bite and a movie and then get back home and do thier job?
I read what the other people posted, I think you need to do what's best for the child too, he needs stability. If that means coming to live with you, than do it.
2 people like this
@RebeccaLynn (2256)
• United States
10 Jun 08
I fully intend to do it if she will agree to it.
I know that her hands are full and she is overwhelmed, being so young and ill-equipt and working with four children to care for, while she is still s child herself.
We just want to help. Yes, it would be a help to her, but it's him that I'm most concerned about.
@jinak1978 (80)
• Indonesia
10 Jun 08
just spirit your life..because worldis beautiful for easy problem
@jasmine0728 (677)
• United States
10 Jun 08
Wow that is a tough situation.It seems as if maybe you could approach her by explaining it is in the best interest of the children to be in a stable home consistently.Children need to feel safe and loved,this little boy could end up in a lot of trouble if his life isn't stabilized soon.By D.C.Y.F. standards if they don't save a child and have them in a good home by the age of 8 then it is unlikely anyone can undue the harm that has been done.If this mother loves her children at al I should think she would want to do what is in their best interest and if she can't stop partying and take good care of them she should want them somewhere that they can get that.I was a big partier before I got pregnant,I quit everything and then when she was born I knew I couldn't raise her right if I went back to partying,I was never what you could call a social drinker.
I hope for the children's sake she does the right thing,and if she doesn't maybe the authorities should get involved,it could make her wake up and be a better mom,or take her rights away so they can be put in a good loving,stable home.
Good luck to you and the kids I hope everything works out for the best.
God Bless
Jas
@RebeccaLynn (2256)
• United States
10 Jun 08
Thank you.
I did not know about that study. I did know that the longer he is in that situation, the longer it will take to pull him out of the emotional tail spin that he is in.
Now I'm even more worried for him.
@SwtJenlove (1090)
• United States
9 Jun 08
In a situation like this you need to look at whats in the best interests of the child. Yes the child needs some stability. He obviously is having emotional problems is he is talking about shooting his mother in the foot and is getting in fights and everything like that. I would tell her how you feel about it, tell her your concerns and see what that does. Sometimes it takes a family member to speak up for someone to change habits like that. Let he know how her son feels about it. ask her how she would have felt if her mother did that to her. make her see how her son is feeling and maybe she will slow it down some. where is the father figure at?
2 people like this
@RebeccaLynn (2256)
• United States
10 Jun 08
Her mother did do that to her. Now she is doing it to her children. His father didn't want him as soon as he found out about the pregnancy. He has never even sent him a birthday card.
I just feel like he deserves a chance in life and we can give him that chance. I just hope she lets us.