Did Darwin really denounce Evolution on his sickbed?
By cynddvs
@cynddvs (2948)
United States
June 10, 2008 11:02pm CST
I keep hearing Christians talk about how they don't believe in Evolution. Which is fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But some Christians have gone as far as to say that Evolution shouldn't even be a theory anymore because Darwin denounced his own theory right before he died.
I've done a little research tonight and I have not been able to find any information to proove this. Quite on the contrary I've read that this claim was actually refuted by his daughter.
So for anyone that believes Darwin denounced his evolution theory can you show me proof of this?
And do you all believe in Evolution, Creationism, or something else?
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6 responses
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
11 Jun 08
You will never find evidence that Darwin recanted on his deathbed because he never did. This is a creationist attempt to weaken the credibility of the theory of Evolution by making it appear as if the man credited for the theory didn't even have confidence in his own work. Supposedly the story was invented by Lady Hope, and refuted by Darwin's children.
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@etnad0 (230)
• United States
4 Jul 08
wow, something that we can agree on. i don't believe he recanted and i'm a creationist... however, i have read the origin of species and there are times that he sounds doubtful of the whole process...
darwin was credited with the theory, but worshiping nature as the creator is far older. a belief in evolution pre dates the Bible... the book of Romans speaks on people worshiping the creation and giving God's glory to the animals, saying we came from them and not God...
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@spongin (71)
• United States
20 Jul 08
I think you are stretching the verse out of context, in Romans, it refers to the image of God being made into four-footed beasts, obviously this is a reference to many polytheistic religions that worship animals. To say this is the same as any of the concepts of evolution would be wrong. ;-)
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@headhunter525 (3548)
• India
15 Jun 08
There are Christians who deny Evolution, and say that Darwin recanted Evolution as his deathbed. I think even if Darwin did that it does not mean Evolution is false, and even if Darwin did not recant it does not mean it is true. I believe in Evolution, and Christians are not unanimous regarding this issue. There are Christians who say that the earth is very young, around 10,000 years. There are Christians who hold on to what is called ID. There are also Christians who believe in Evolution...say Francis Collins, (National Director of Human Genome Project), Denis Alexander, (Director of the Faraday Institute for Science and Religion, St. Edmund’s College, Cambridge), Alister McGrath, (Prof of Historical Theology at Cambridge who earned his Ph.D in Molecular Biophysics from Oxford), Ernest Lucas (double Ph.D in Chemistry and Theology), Kenneth Miller, Ph.D in Biology and many many others. It appears to me that Christians who disbelieve in evolution is not a worldwide phenomena... it's mainly in the US and Australia. Blessings!
@urbandekay (18278)
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11 Jun 08
As I understand it, though I haven't checked, Darwin was never wholly convinced by evolution in any case. But that is not important, the idea stands or falls on its own merits, regardless of the beliefs of the author.
Not all Christians denounce evolution by the way.
all the best urban
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@spiderlizard22 (3444)
• United States
23 Jun 08
Evolution is real. Evolution is a process of change. The theory that humans evolved from apelike creatures is technically a theory. It does make sense that humans were different in the distant past. But everyone can choose to believe in what they want even if it is correct or incorrect.
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@ClarusVisum (2163)
• United States
14 Jun 08
No, the claim that Darwin recanted is nonsense made up by dishonest creationists.
However, even if he DID, that doesn't mean anything (something creationists ignorant of how science works didn't seem to realize before they made up this ridiculous story). Evolution did not grow and become the powerful theory it is today because Darwin thought it sounded good. Evidence makes a theory, not a person. Even if nobody believed it, that wouldn't make it any less true.
I don't "believe in" evolution. That's because evolution is not a belief system. Do you "believe in" gravity? Of course not--that's a silly question, right? Well, asking that about evolution is equally silly. If I drop a ball, it will fall no matter what I believe. In the same way, evolution happens, regardless of what you believe. Ironically, evolution has so much evidence that it is on par with gravity in terms of levels of understanding and acceptance. The only reason creationists have invented this fake "controversy" (which of course, doesn't exist at all within the scientific community) is because evolution (as well as many other science fields) contradicts a literal interpretation of Genesis. So, they shoot the messenger, even though it's not like scientists are out there TRYING to uncover facts that contradict creation story X, Y, or Z. They just tell us what they find. It's not their fault the story of Genesis doesn't make any sense as a literal account.
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@santuccie (3384)
• United States
15 Jun 08
Sorry, I just realized that I misinterpreted something you said. I put "creationist" and "ridiculous story" together, and quickly assumed you were referring to IC and/or ID. I took it entirely out of context.
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@santuccie (3384)
• United States
15 Jun 08
When an evolutionist uses the theory of monkeys banging on typewriters, with the complete works of Shakespeare as their purpose, it is suggested that natural law eliminates the monkeys which show no cognitive capabilities, and rewards those which do.
Sorry, I meant to say "example," not "theory."
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@ClarusVisum (2163)
• United States
15 Jun 08
Don't take it personally, but I'm about to correct you a lot. :P
1. the fossil record is part of the evidence for evolution, and I said:
"evolution (as well as many other science fields) contradicts a literal interpretation of Genesis." So, there wasn't any contradiction there.
2. The origin of life has absolutely nothing to do with evolution--this is a common misconception started by creationists. That's abiogenesis, another field altogether.
3. You apparently have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the terms "theory" and "law" mean in science. Neither is 'better' or 'worse' than the other--the two have different 'jobs'. www.notjustatheory.com puts it succinctly:
"A theory never becomes a law. In fact, if there was a hierarchy of science, theories would be higher than laws. There is nothing higher, or better, than a theory...Laws describe, and theories explain."
4. It's true what I said about evolution and gravity being on par, and the scientific community agrees--one of the reasons evolution is such a strong theory is because it has been refined and tempered through 150 years of a literal ONSLAUGHT of challenges by very contentious people who wanted more than anything to prove it wrong (but they were also honest, so unlike your average present-day creationist, they were willing to acknowledge their inability to find a stronger theory for the development of life). Any theory that can survive that is strong indeed. By the way, I was talking about the 'fact of gravity,' (our level of certainty that it exists, in other words) not particular laws related to it (in the same way that evolution is both a fact (it happens) and a theory (which explains how and why it happens)). Both gravity and evolution have debates within them about particular details, but as for the EXISTENCE of the two, the scientific community is about equally sure of both. If I wasn't clear enough what I meant there, I apologize.
5. Intelligent design is nonsense (it's especially not science) because its core is a logical fallacy--the argument from incredulity. Invariably, intelligent design arguments hinge on irreducible complexity, an expression of that fallacy. It always boils down to assuming design as a result of personal (or not so personal) ignorance of how something could have evolved.
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@fluffnflowers (1594)
• United States
11 Jun 08
I don't think there's any proof, and I think his family proclaimed that statement to be a falsehood. Either way, the evolutionary theory we study in 'modern times' isn't Darwinian theory. He got the ball rolling and provided some interesting thoughts, but he wasn't the first and things have been built upon, significantly, since his publications. I do recall that he wasn't entirely sure of the theories (no surprise, there), but he was not an atheist, by any means.