Where Did Allah Come From?
@vonkristoffer (833)
Philippines
14 responses
@positiveminded1977 (7072)
• India
19 Jul 08
You seem to bent on proving that Allah is not a "true" God.
Well, as far as I know, the Arabs followed a Pagan religion. Allah was the Sun God who had a Moon Goddess and they had three daughters. Then Mohammed got his visions, and this pagan Allah was dressed in the robes of the Jewish Jehovah, who also happens to be Jesus' father, and so was born the Allah that the Muslims worship today. I guess they forgot to remove that old pagan symbol of the half moon. Even today everybody worships the Sun in hidden forms. Christmas is actually the feast of the Roman Sun God, which later became the Feast of the Son of God. Who knows when Jesus was born? These three monotheistic, patriarchal religions--Islam, Judaism, and Christianity have all borrowed heavily from Paganism.
Cheers and happy mylotting
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@Harley009 (1416)
• India
16 Aug 08
So Christmas, Holy Thursday, Good Friday, Easter are not Christian celebrations.
Thanks.
@vonkristoffer (833)
• Philippines
30 Jul 08
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positiveminded1977.. check this out.. http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm
@vonkristoffer (833)
• Philippines
30 Jul 08
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oh you comment on about Christmas.. i know that it is a pagan celebration.. it is not mentioned in the Bible the Birth date of Christ.. concerning.. Christ no comment about it.. just check the site i gave you above.. it is about Islam..
@urbandekay (18278)
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28 Jun 08
From previous scripture, linguists agree that the inclusion of words unknown in the language of the time are clear evidence that the Quran 'borrows' heavily from previous scripture. It is known that Muhammad would have been conversant with such.
all the best uraban
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@vonkristoffer (833)
• Philippines
3 Jul 08
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hello, please share your idea on this one.. http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1584471.aspx?p=2#1_8754929
thanks..
@Harley009 (1416)
• India
7 Jul 08
Mohammad share the previous scriptures. Quran says it is truth and agree with previous scriptures. All previous scriptures also came from Allah and previous prophets were assigned by Allah.
@vonkristoffer (833)
• Philippines
7 Jul 08
harley009.. ^_^ prove that Muhammad is sinless.. before you go trough with your faith..
@Harley009 (1416)
• India
7 Jul 08
The word Allah is Arabic, and it the name of the God.
Ancient Christians, and the Christians living in Arab countries using the word Allah for God.
"Say: He is the one, self sufficient, neither begets, not begotten, none-comparable unto him"
The Ideas of Allah's attributes come from Quran, Which states all the fundamental things about God, life, here after, prophets, etc.
@Harley009 (1416)
• India
8 Jul 08
As I said, Arabs were using the Word 'Allah' before the arrival of Prophet Mohammad itself, Because previous scriptures specify the name of Allah.
The Hebrew 'Eloh', Aramaic 'Alah' sound same as Allah. The pronunciation of aplphabets much differ with English in such languages.
Eg. Yeshuwa/Iesa/ Eisa.. There is a letter ? in Arabic which is pronounced from upper throat its sound is a mixture of Y/I/E.
The Meccan people those who did not believe in Prophet Mohammad also believed in one God "Allah" and Quran says about it.
But those people believed in some intermediaries to reach their request to Allah. Laata, Manata, Uzza was among the intermediaries. Actually Lata, Manata and Uzza were the past spiritual/Social leaders of them, later the people mis-guided and began to pray through Lata, Manata, Uzza etc.
They made the Idols of Laata, Manata, Uzza, Prophet Abraham etc. Creation of Idols was actually prohibited the root scriptures of them but they made it. They may have the moon concept, but I don't know about it.
Anyway Islams has nothing to do with moon-god. Muslims calls the One and only one God as Allah. moon is nothing but a creation of God. The symbol nowadays used came just as a tradition of keeping the identification symbol for prayer houses, but that symbol is no-where related to any beliefs and no Muslims pray to that symbol and no significance to it as a God.
Please read the following:-
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544398
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1123996015782
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/1930/
@vonkristoffer (833)
• Philippines
11 Jul 08
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you can't accept it.. cause you are devoted to your religion.. why not research on the real things..
be more resourceful.. and regarding your Prophet.. meenn.. no comment.. just research on your own.. im tired of speaking.. i have shared and spread the Gospel..
well you have your own freewill..
ill give you Ex-Jesuit Priest Alberto Rivera.. to research..
Goodbye..
@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
30 Jun 08
Abraham (Ibrahiym) is considered to be the first Muslim. Muslim, at least those I associate with, read the Bible and Qur'aan and recognize all the Prophets and their scriptures. the Holy Qur'aan is but the final scripture. Most christians believed this phenomenon ended with the Prophet Jesus (Issa), who was to a Muslim.
Most of these christian practices didn't come about until the time after the "apostle" Paul, who never actually met Jesus (Issa) and wrote 14 books in the Bible (and he is proven to have been a liar) which are highly revered in the Christian church today.
@urbandekay (18278)
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30 Jun 08
First of all Abraham was a Jew, by tribe and religion, there is no evidence he was a Muslim.
Secondly Jesus is not Issa but Yesuha and Yesuha was a Jew by both tribe and religion.
Thirdly, Christian practices started in the Celtic Church in Galica by those that walked the earth with Yeshua.
Where is it proven that Paul was a liar?
Fourthly, both Paul and Peter yielded authority on matters concerning the Church to Yesuh's brother James the Just.
all the best urban
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@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
30 Jun 08
Being their is no "J" in either the Hebrew or Arabic language I suppose it is safe to assume that the name "Jesus" or "Jehovah" would not exist during these Biblical times.
@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
30 Jun 08
There are 73 different sects of Islam worldwide, so to categorize everyone into the same box is just ridiculous and it is unimaginable that everyone think the same, no matter what the religion. Just as the Catholic, Episcopalian, Methodist, Mormon, Jehovah's Witness, etc. exist, there exist the Sunni Orthodox. Shiite, Ansaaru, Nation Of Islam, etc...
@nadams80 (77)
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30 Jun 08
The following info was taken from the site www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/moongod
"There are several serious problems associated with G. Cayton Thompson's claim that 'Sin' was a moongod. Fisrtly,the name of the Hadramitic patron diety according to epigraphic eveidence is translated to 'Syn'. The case for 'Syn' being a moongod rests on identifying him with the Akkadean 'Su-en', later 'Sin': the well known north Semitic moon diety. The presence of 3 consonents (letters) in the name of the Hadramitic diety 'Syn' poses problems for one wishing to equate it with the Babylonian diety 'Sin' which is written by 2 signs (letters) pronounced Su-En. This was recognised by
If the spelling difference between the 2 are "remarkably close" as the miossionaries claim, why is that prominent scholars like W.F. Albright deny the transcription on Syn to Sin and resort to speculation?
Another scholar Beeston points out the geographical difficulty in accepting the equation of Su-en to Sin.
There is alot more evidence on the website referencing prominent scholars. Nowhere in these explanations or my research have I found any mention of a moon god Allah.
@urbandekay (18278)
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30 Jun 08
Whether or not Sin is the same as Syn nevertheless he was a moon god as countless archaeological finds associated with Sin show by the presence of the crescent moon. This god was held to be the chief of the powers divine by Arabs and worship of him was active during Muhammad's lifetime. Although his name was Sin his title was al- ilah (The deity). Even before Muhammad this had become shortened to Allah, indeed Muhammad's father and uncle both had Allah as part of their name.
Hope that sheds some light
all the best urban
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@vonkristoffer (833)
• Philippines
2 Jul 08
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you just don't want to believe, because the truths hurt..
read the Bible so that you may know.. did the Archaeologist depending on Koran on the History?? of course not.. they are guided by the Bible... so that they can locate or name what place is that or this...
@nadams80 (77)
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1 Jul 08
You've missed the whole point! Let me see if I can put this in plainer english.
There was a discovery of a moongod in Babylon called Su-en. Another discovery made and assiociated with the Arabs had a similar name and was therefore automatically assumed to also be a moongod. However what my explanation above is saying is that most prominent scholars agree that the Sin accociated with the Arabs cannot in fact be assumed to a moongod.
The statue you are referring to with moon symbols is in fact another archeological discovery in Hazor (a large Canaanite and Isrealite city) of a man seated holding a cup in one hand. Again most prominent scholars refer to the statue as a man, priest, king or diety. The reason they cannot be sure is that there is no actual inscriptions (epigraphic evidence much like hieroglyphics) to indicate that it is actually a moongod.
Another reason is that it seems illogical that a god should hold offering vessels in his hand as the god is usually the one who receives the offerings.
Although Robert Morey claimed in his book that the statue is that of a moongod and regardless of the difference of opinions regarding the nature of the statue, no scholar has ever identified this statue with a 'moongod'.
These scholars and writings I refer to are the following:
'Encyclopedia of archeological excavations in the holy land' by Yadin
'The new encyclopedia of archeological excavations in the holy land' by Amnon Ben-Tor
'Treasures of the holy land: Art from the Isreal museum'
As you can see I have not just made a claim but supported it with evidence.
@nadams80 (77)
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29 Jun 08
Vonkristoffer, looks like you asked a question that you already had preconceived answer to and was not really looking for an answer.
Allah is also omnopotent, omnipresent like the God in the Bible. Allah in Islam does not refer to a moongod. Since Christian Arabs also refer to God as Allah does that mean Arab Christians believe in a moongod? Just following your line of thinking.
The word "Allah" derived from pre islamic Arabs because it is an Arabic word but the concept of Allah or God is different.
@urbandekay (18278)
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29 Jun 08
But note he is not asking where Allah came from but where their understanding of Allah's nature comes from
all the best urban
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@vonkristoffer (833)
• Philippines
30 Jun 08
nadams80.. looks like you don't get want i want to open up.. don't you? ^_^
are you a Muslim? if you are, you should know your History..
you said Allah is like the God in the Bible which is omnipresent etc., well i will said in evidence and proven that you are wrong.. ^_^
(Islam, p. 7) stated that... the moon god has many names.. one of its name is Allah..
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@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
30 Jun 08
Islam p. 7 what book is this? What are you referring to?
ALLAH = meaning "the All"
@jingbautista (2456)
• Philippines
10 Sep 08
i guess, it was from their leaders and those founders of their religion.. dont really know.. some say that it was also the same with our God...
@vonkristoffer (833)
• Philippines
11 Sep 08
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yes bro i get your point.. but muslim claims that Abraham offers Ishmael not Isaac.. If that is their claims then we don't have same God coz in Genesis.. Abraham offers Isaac not Ishmael..
you get my point.. if their Qur'an have such claims then the one who wrote it is not worshiping the real and one only true God.. in fact in Qur'an you cannot see the name or word "Ishmael" offered by Abraham.. it only said.. son, no specific name.. its in Surah 37:99-106
so to conclude, it has a probability that it is a collection of books.. to fit their religions..
@moon317318 (692)
• Pakistan
28 Jun 08
yes they did worship idols, and kept them in the house of GOD, the kaba' even when Abraham(PBUH) built it after that they use to keep the idols and one day Abraham(PBUH) just smashed all te idols ....... and you know the story....
same is the case here, Muslims did not derive ALLAH, he is there from the begenning the GOD who is worshipped in many forms ,it is the same GOD for everyone Jews, christianss muslims... all of them...
as it is stated above that Elohim it is the word for ALLAH in bible....
" say, truth has arrived,and falsehood has vanished, surely falsehood is ever bound to vanish" Quran 17:81
@iamhanifah (242)
• Philippines
16 Mar 11
Arabs did not worship the moon God but they did worshiped idols. But when the God of Abraham chose Muhammad to be his prophet, Muhammad peace be upon him saved them all from idolatry and deliver to them the message of God and that is Islamic Monotheism.
@nadams80 (77)
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1 Jul 08
So you claim that the muslim idea of Allah came from the pre-islamic Meccans (aside from the whole moongod archeology debate which I have already given evidence against)where did the Meccans derive the recognition and the name of Allah from?
The word for 'God' to the Arabs, ever since the time of Abraham (Peace be upon him), has beeb 'Allah' and he is to them the Lord of teh Ka'bah in Mecca.
The Arabs know of Allah because Abraham visited Mecca and together with his son Ishmeal laid the foundation of the Ka'bah. The descendants of Ishmael retained SOME of the worship rites and beliefs from Abaraham. This included their knowledge of Allah.
@vonkristoffer (833)
• Philippines
2 Jul 08
meenn.. you really don't know the History.. back to you later.. if i can finished my task today.. ^_^ i will prove that to you.. please wait..
@vonkristoffer (833)
• Philippines
2 Jul 08
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meenn you missed the biggest part.. where then Isaac go, the one that God promised to Abraham??.. Ishmael is the son of Hagar who is an Egyptian handmaiden of Sarah.. read the Genesis again bro... he is not the promised one of God..
you still don't know the history... does stoning on your obelisk in mecca can really hit the devil.. ??? try to search what is the origin of the obelisk.. so that you may know..
@vonkristoffer (833)
• Philippines
2 Jul 08
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[Thousands of inscriptions from walls and rocks in northern Arabia have also been collected. Reliefs and votive bowls used in worship of the "daughters of Allah" have also been discovered. The three daughters, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat are sometimes depicted together with Allah the moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them (North Arabian archaeological finds concerning Al-Lat are discussed in:
* Isaac Rabinowitz, Aramaic Inscriptions of the Fifth Century, JNES, XV, 1956, pp.1-9;
* Another Aramaic Record of the North Arabian goddess Han'Llat, JNES, XVIII, 1959, pp.154-55
* Edward Linski, The Goddess Atirat in Ancient Arabia, in Babylon and in Ugarit: Her Relation to the Moon-god and the Sun-goddess, Orientalia Lovaniensia Periodica, 3:101-9
* H.J.Drivers, Iconography and Character of the Arab Goddess Allat, found in Études Preliminaries Aux Religions Orientales Dans L'Empire Roman, ed. Maarten J. Verseren, Leiden, Brill, 1978, pp.331-51 ]
"South Arabia's stellar religion has always been dominated by the Moon-god in various variations" (Berta Segall, The Iconography of Cosmic Kingship, the Art Bulletin, vol.xxxviii, 1956, p.77).
In 1944, G. Caton Thompson revealed in her book, The Tombs and Moon Temple of Hureidah, that she had uncovered a temple of the moon-god in southern Arabia. The symbols of the crescent moon and no less than 21 inscriptions with the name Sîn were found in this temple.
@nadams80 (77)
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1 Jul 08
The following quote (and there are many more) from the Qur'an show that Allah in NOT a moongod. Even IF pre-islamic meccans worshiped a moongod and called it allah, the concept of this god is not the same as the concpet of God in the Qur'an.
"And from among His signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not bow down (prostrate) to the sun nor to the moon, but only bow down (prostrate) to "Allah" who created them.." [Qur'an 47:31]
So what is the significance of the moon in Islam?
"They ask you about the new moons. Say: these are signs to mark fixed periods of time for mankind and for the pilgrimage" [Qur'an 2:189)
@vonkristoffer (833)
• Philippines
2 Jul 08
ill just give you a task.. prove that Muhammad is sinless..
@vonkristoffer (833)
• Philippines
2 Jul 08
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you have said above that my sentence is not ok.. then look at yours.. "Allah in NOT".. is your mouth ok??
before you go in Qur'an examine first your Muhammad... who taught him??
He kissed and caressed the idol of black stone set into the wall of the Kabah. (Muslim vol. II, no. 2912, 2916).. is that idolatry??
@melgehtot05 (32)
• Malaysia
1 Sep 08
Hi allah is no place . if allah have a place to stay that mean allah is same with us.Allah is the king of the king no place like us .
@Frederick42 (2024)
• Canada
27 Dec 08
I think it has derived from some Pagan culture. As I read on some site, Islam is not a new religion, it is the re-shaping of a new religion.