about vegetarian 'meat' ... do you think that it is still 'vegetarian'?
@bongkarpasang (1377)
Indonesia
June 11, 2008 10:04pm CST
Okay, this maybe new for those who are not vegetarian. I am not a vegetarian myself but I love vegetarian foods and sometimes I would rather have those than common foods because the taste is so special compared to common foods.
However, I know some vegetarian restaurants or vegetarian food stalls in the traditional market in my area do have 'vegetarian meats'. Well, those are not real meats, they are made from certain ingredients that don't contain any meat at all ... but to my amazement, the taste were almost near the real meats.
And to my curiosity, I wonder, they were even named with the 'origin' names like 'Peking ducks', 'Steam Fish', 'Crabs', etc. But they were all pure non-meats. But I wonder, if someone started becoming vegetarian, mostly either it was related with religious reason or health reason.
And to those with religious reason becoming vegetarian, what do you think about vegetarian 'meat'? Is it not against the spirit of vegetarianism? After all, they are still named 'meat'.
Or probably I have mistaken the meaning of becoming 'vegetarian'?
Please share your thought. Many thanks!
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14 responses
@bluebells_mercury (64)
• India
12 Jun 08
even if they are named so they are still made of vegetarian ingredients.chefs show their expertise in making them taste like real meats.nothing much.
"Be vegetarian to save lives of other innocent creatures and to be healthy."
it pains even for animals when they are killed just like how it pains for us. when every person puts themselves in the position of a lamb or a chicken or a goat and if they could realise the pain it causes then am sure noone would prefer non vegetarian foods. why to kill a life just for our taste buds?
@bongkarpasang (1377)
• Indonesia
17 Jun 08
I see. thanks for adding the info. in our Asian term, the "meat" usually refers to flesh-made foods.
@bongkarpasang (1377)
• Indonesia
17 Jun 08
well yes, that's why I asked about it. the term "meat" would always remind us about how the real meat origins from ... by killing the animals to take their flesh.
the term "meat" itself is rather bloody, right? so how come a vegetarian kind of food has adopted the term for their menu? why not naming it to some other term of naming that contained no opposite feeling of vegetarianism?
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@deebomb (15304)
• United States
12 Jun 08
Most of those vegetarian meats are made with wheat gluten. They are a called a transition food for those that want to be vegetarians but have a hard time giving up meat. Since the "meats" are still a vegetable I don't think that it going against ether religious or health reasons to use them. If I were to be a vegetarian for health reasons I would stay away from them because of all the additives that food companies put in them. Those additives are the killers in my opinion.
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@bongkarpasang (1377)
• Indonesia
17 Jun 08
I see, so there is still some not-safe 'ingredient' within such kind of vegetarian foods. I thought that all kind of vegetarian foods would be safe.
so then, vegetables would still be safer to consume. :)
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@bongkarpasang (1377)
• Indonesia
17 Jun 08
yeah, that's why I mostly avoided those that I knew would surely have preservatives. here we still have traditional markets around and mostly we would pick fresh vegetables, and hope that the vegetables would also be safe from any insecticide or somekind like that.
@desertdarlene (8910)
• United States
12 Jun 08
I don't eat vegetarian full time, but I do eat vegetarian very often due to health reasons. I have never really been a big meat lover to begin with, so it's not a big step from me going from carnivore to vegetarian. I've had some of these meat substitutes and I'd rather eat the vegetables as they are. Some of these substitutes are pretty good while still staying pretty much veggies. Those gardenburgers are really good. Most of these things are too expensive for me. I'd rather cook up some beans or tofu for less than a dollar to to eat something that is disguised to be meat for five.
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@bongkarpasang (1377)
• Indonesia
17 Jun 08
and I was wondering if the "vegetarian meat" was to attract non-vegetarian people to start adopting the food and later to become a full vegetarian later when they could?
@lieanat (1137)
• Malaysia
12 Jun 08
Well, I'm a meat lover. So, I really can't stand to become a vegetarian. I ever tried it once and just felt like if I want to take meat, it's far better to take the real one. Besides, the vegetarian meat sometimes is more costly than the real meat!!!
@bongkarpasang (1377)
• Indonesia
17 Jun 08
well yes, they are more expensive than real meat. I was wondering if these "vegetarian meats" were actually for meat lover in their transition to vegetarian?
@painkiller77 (2073)
• India
12 Jun 08
if you consider being absolutely vegetarian, then it is an absolutely impossible one. you can not leave milk, cheese, butter and the like. they are derived from milk and so,should be included in non vegetarian or animal products. but yes, leaving out meat and the like can be a feasible idea. about the concept of vegetarian meat, you can have them as they are not prepared from animals. it is not against the spirit of vegetarianism. you eat for your stomach and never for your spirit. there is no such thing to worry about and feel guilty. go ahead and grab a bite. enjoy life.
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@bongkarpasang (1377)
• Indonesia
13 Jun 08
I thought vegetarianism was not against using animal products as long as we don't hurt nor kill the animals. I do know that milk is still allowed, but I might be wrong according to someone who responded it here:
http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1557201.aspx?p=1#1_8576629 (the #10 responder).
do you have anything to add?
@Desierra1004 (1213)
• Malaysia
14 Jun 08
Hie Bongkarpasang, I am not a vegetarian but I have friends and known some who are vegetarians. Yes, it is amazing how the 'vegetarian' meat can be so similar in taste, texture to the real meat.
And I have tasted the veggie burgers and I couldn't differentiate it from the real meat patty.
And my friends told me that all those vegetarian meat is actually made from wheat gluten ( seitan )and originally from soy beans with additional seasonings.
Yes, they are allowed to eat as it is just a namesake and no animals are harmed or any living creature's blood is involved. Moreover there are not 'Vegans' that are so strict that would avoid all dairy products altogether ( egg, milk, butter, yoghurt, etc )
They became vegetarians due to their beliefs ( Buddhism & Hinduism ), health purposes and some on personal preferences.
So at first I was confused how come some vegetarians could take eggs or milk and some don't.
They told me that it is due to personal preference or health purposes but definitely no real animal meat at all.
Although it is delicious, I do find the dishes here in my country is too oily and too much seasonings ( + MSG ). Even with the plain green vegetables in the food stalls or restaurants are equally too oily. But a good experience I had was in the monastery.
The best is still home cooked meals and countless servings :)
Cheers,
@bongkarpasang (1377)
• Indonesia
23 Jun 08
so in conclusion, the "fake meats" are not safe either for health? I think the people with autism mustn't eat the fake meats either, since they are made from wheat gluten.
and yes, vegans are so strict and they are the ones avoiding all dairy products altogether, and as far as I know, they would also avoid the "fake meats" because of the background of "real meats made from animals' flesh" history.
I still prefer pure vegetables within the vegetarian menu. sometimes I just feel weird to eat the "so-called" vegetarian 'meat' with the really close taste like that, and I even felt thirstier than eating common meats, not knowing why.
yes, the best is still home cooked. home sweet home's foods. ;)
@Desierra1004 (1213)
• Malaysia
25 Jun 08
Too much of it is not good for health as it has a lot of preservatives and MSG which make a person thirsty too. The best is to have more vegetables and fruits.
It is a very tempting and interesting cuisine so I think once awhile enjoying them should be alright
Cheers and happy posting!
@morsh8888 (633)
• Indonesia
26 Jun 08
I think there is vegetarian for health and vegetarian cause of karma. Well with what you've described above, though it must be vegetarian for health. Since meat is full of poison, so it's not good to our body. It taste good I admit it. But It just the spice which makes it salty and good to eat. If you eat it raw, it will taste so bad. But that is the original taste.
@lynn2457 (500)
• United States
27 Jun 08
now, see, I can eat raw hamburger and love it, I do not need any season for any of my meats. I love the taste of all meat, I have not found one yet, I have not liked well, accept for liver, and no matter how it is made it is not it, I love liver in turkey, and chicken, but just plain liver is not it. You could be right, I do it for health, I do not feel meat is poison, but this is a choice. I do not use salt in my food, unless it comes all ready process, See, I don't think it taste bad raw meat, but again its taste.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
12 Jun 08
most vegetarian meats are made from soy beans, and are
really excellent sources of protein which we must have
for good health. this is not against any religion its
just a way to help people to connect with soyfoods by
making something similar in taste to some meats.we
just have to read the label to see its all vegetable
and as soy is good for you who cares about dumb definitions
anyway. eating healthy is what its all about and thats
'all.
@bongkarpasang (1377)
• Indonesia
17 Jun 08
well, they should have named the "meats" with other terms that were 'lighter', I mean, the term "meats" is still a bit "oww" for vegetarian animal lovers. because it still reminds them about how animals being killed for real meats.
@Crystalxdr (443)
• China
13 Jun 08
Ok,this is my 142 post after not logging on mylot for almost 1 month for some personal reasons.Thank you for providing the oppontunity for me.
First, I am not a vegetarian,and never think become one of it so far.Living without real meat sounds rather terrible to me because I am too slim to be a little bit fat in the coming days.
It must be good for people to choose to be vegetarians.Not only for spirit peace,but also keep healthy.Why those vegetarian foods was called "meats"?In my opinion,it is a means of humor showed by all vegetarians.Through it, we get to know how enjoyable the vegetarians to life even without real meats.
It is not so serious like you thought that the name would have a sort of disrespect to the spirit of vegetarianism,in fact,it has nothing to do with that spirit.Its main purpose is to make this world more colorful.
@bongkarpasang (1377)
• Indonesia
13 Jun 08
well, I have replied to someone in #10 response about why I thought it might be against the spirit of vegetarianism (especially for those in certain religious community). because meats, the real meats, we would always know that they came from animals that had been killed.
there would be animals that were hurted and killed to get meats. so the word "meats" itself had contained this meaning and history. and I wonder about using it for vegetarian foods. I believe this word "meats" is no joke for animals, so I wonder if a real vegetarian person read the word "meats" in their vegetarian menu, what would make him / her still pick up the menu? a craving for real meats that could never be fulfilled after becoming vegetarian?
that's a big question mark for me.
@inapaulineabelon (277)
• Philippines
13 Jun 08
What i discovered with some vegetarian meats is that they are really made up of eggplants. My boyfriend is fond of eating burger which has a patty made of vegetarian meat from one of the leading fastfood chains here in the Philippines. He says it is delicious and there's not much taste comparison if they compare it to pure meat patties. I don't think it is against vegetarianism because it is still made up of vegetable after all. Right?
@bongkarpasang (1377)
• Indonesia
17 Jun 08
but don't you think that the term "meat" itself is rather bloody? I think it still reminds us about the origin of the real meat, the killing of animals to get their flesh as meat.
I just wonder why they should even take the term "meat" to name the menu. why not something else that sounds more vegetarian?
@celestial052506 (2914)
• Philippines
13 Jun 08
I think being vegetarian has nothing to do with religion. It is for health reasons why people choose to be vegetarian. If there are some vegetarian good that named like the meat or fish that people commonly eat, that is they made that recipe that tastes like steamed fish for example. It tastes like real fish. Well, this is to let the people know that even if they are not eating the real one, it taste like one. And being a vegetarian is not hard. You can still eat the same taste as like there is meat in it and it is healthier.
@bongkarpasang (1377)
• Indonesia
23 Jun 08
for some people, it really has something with religion. as far as I know, some serious buddhists would consider killing animals as sin, and they stayed in vegetarianism to avoid killing more animals. that's the reason behind the establishment of vegetarian eating style in their community.
I see, my conclusion from your words "this is to let the people know that even if they are not eating the real one, it taste like one", then the "fake meats" are for those who come from non-vegetarian background. they are for attracting non-vegetarian to eat vegetarian foods. that's right? :)
@lynn2457 (500)
• United States
23 Jun 08
I am not a vegetarian but I too, eat the food they eat, the taste is what I like, I eat meat, as biblical point of few, Peter went to see a man that did eat meat, and the Lord show Peter that it was all right, And that it did not matter what we put in our mouths but what came out of it. I was reading where on certain blood types; each type has to have certain items more than other blood types, and I have found, I can go with out meat but after a few days, no matter what I eat in replacement, a great hamburger is delicious lol
I have a lot of breakfast vegetarian's meals, and veggie burgers I think food was given to us to use, and if you don't eat it than that is ok with me, Its a choice.
@gypsy_owl (88)
• United States
13 Jun 08
i think you've got the concept of vegetarianism wrong... its not that they are against "meat" specifically ... they are against using ANIMAL PRODUCTS....so if it is not derived from animals then its fine
@bongkarpasang (1377)
• Indonesia
13 Jun 08
when I read the word "meat", what I thought in my mind was that it was coming from animals that had been killed. that's how the meats come from right?
so my assume about the using word "meat" against the spirit of vegetarianism is that because of that reason.
a certain religious person told me that's the reason of her becoming vegetarian, because she didn't want animals get killed any longer. and by naming it "meat" and eating the "meat", even if it contains no meat, she said that then what's the point of becoming vegetarian from a religious side? she said that it proved that the person still craved for meats, but didn't admit it and instead made excuses for himself / herself that the "meat" was not from the animals' flesh.
animals products are allowed as long as we don't make them suffer. like milk is still allowed. I wonder if the real vegetarianism is like you said. I need the others share more opinion about it.
thanks for responding.
@katemeow (847)
• Singapore
14 Jun 08
yes, veggie meat is still vegetarian simple because it does not contain any animal product. i think they are flavored and named as meat dishes to help starting vegetarians adjust also to remove the usual connotation to that vegetarian food is boring... because it is not. i'm not a vegetarian yet but am starting the transition to being one :)