When do we stop walking on eggshells?
@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
United States
June 14, 2008 7:59pm CST
Black conservative talk show host Armstrong Williams has never voted for a Democrat for president. Suddenly, this year with Obama running he is not sure if he will finally vote for a Democrat. He doesn't like Obama's policies or what he advocates, but he has no idea what he will do. Privately, other black conservatives tell him it would be very difficult for him to vote against Obama. Because the man has a little black blood in him? He has 6.75 % black blood. I am white. If I said I have always voted Democrat. For the first time since I started to vote (I am 47 years old), the democrat running is not white. What's a white lady to do? All my friends say I cannot possibly vote for a black man. If that was the scenario, my friends and I would be called racists, and be looked at as evil people without values. But let the situation be with blacks, it is ok...very acceptable. When I was growing up, I thought most racists were people who were not educated. They did not know any better. I see that is not the case.
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@beeeckie (802)
• United States
15 Jun 08
Gee, I remember when Bob Dole's wife made a half-assed run for president almost 10 years ago. Just because she was a woman didn't mean I agreed with her politics. I totally opposed her. People would do best to vote their beliefs and ideals, rather than race or gender. It's not that complicated.
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@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
15 Jun 08
In our country where racism is very strong, it is complicated.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
15 Jun 08
I feel very much like I'm walking on eggshells as I try to put my feelings here into the right words but, what the heck, I'll give it a try anyway. First of all, I'm sure you're well aware Armstrong Williams is a liar, he has no intention of voting for Obama under any circumstances and that wouldn't change whether he was 100% black or 100% purple! Unless I'm mistaken he's the obnoxious jerk who fills in for Rush Limbaugh now and then; whether he is or not I'd lay odds that he benefited enormously from affirmative action but is now totally against the whole premise. I agree totally that nobody should decide who to vote for based on race or gender or anything other than the issues at hand, but the truth is there are far more people who have voted or are planning to vote AGAINST someone due to race or gender than FOR them for one of those reasons.
I agree with you that in the scenario you described you and your friends would be called racists just as those who have admitted in polls that race or gender is a factor in their voting choices. I think most racists still are uneducated people who don't know better but I know they're not the only ones. I'm not saying they're right but I can understand at least a little bit how some blacks and some women feel this year. Think about it - every single President and Presidential nominee from a major party has been a white male and we're now up to the third Presidential election of the twenty-first century. What if the situation were reversed and there had never been a white President in the history of our nation? What if it had been the ancestors of us white people who had been property of black families a century and a half ago? What if we or our parents remembered when many doors were closed to us just because of the color of our skin? Wouldn't there be just a little temptation to feel a great deal of pride and even some loyalty to the "one of us" who had made it this close to the highest position in the land if not the world? At the same time, what if you were a woman who remembered being denied the right to vote which would basically mean you weren't considered a "full person" in terms of being a citizen of the United States? Wouldn't you also feel some pride and loyalty when one of your own had come this far?
I don't condone or defend racism or sexism of any kind no matter who's the culprit and who's the victim but trying to understand someone's pride and loyalty to their own race or gender is not the same as being racist or defending racism or sexism.
I hope I've walked carefully enough so as to not break all the eggshells! The last thing I want to do is offend anyone or second guess their choice of who to vote for and why.
Annie
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@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
16 Jun 08
I think Armstrong has addressed this issue the way he has because he wants to save face with other blacks. They must be more important then his conservative white and blacks who are voting more conservatively.
I would think that if Obama wanted to appeal to white people, he would not have announced that he was running as a black man. He did not say he was running as an Arab. He did not say he was running as a white man. Why? Because he wanted to appeal to black and especially black racists. It worked. Now, when he wants to appeal to whites he will talk about a white relative, but he does not do that well, when he speaks of his grandmother and white people as, "typical white folks." Nor does his wife so a good job of reaching out to white people when she says, Wake up, black America."
If the situation were reversed and McCain was the first white person. I would think that was pretty neat. However, if McCain was a racist like Obama has proved himself to be, I would feel very uncomfortable voting for him. It is not like blacks are being oppressed as they were in historical times. We have laws that give them opportunities they did not have during the slaves days. We have some very rich and successful blacks. They had to pass through a lot of white people to get there. Blacks were not the only slaves. Of course, not a lot of people seem to know that. And white women were poorly treated by men back then. We have gotten over it without an entire gender of women hating men. Look what the Jews have gone through, but it has not stopped them from living fruitful lives without hating others. Even in Michelle Obama's thesis, which has been banned from the public eye until the day after the election this year, she wrote
"blacks must join in solidarity to combat a white oppressor." Now what decent black person would vote for a couple who think this way? What intelligent white person votes for a couple who think this way? You think about it.
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
16 Jun 08
C'mon Annie! Every conservative talk show host you have ever talked about are liars! The democrats can tell no lies to hear it from you! I'm here to tell you that when clear cut conservatives or liberals even consider voting against their principles because of race and voice those considerations we as a country have fallen into someone's trap!
I don't know whether you read the post last week or not and I can't even remember the poster but it was on the subject of a "post turtle" which I had never heard before.It was about a turtle sitting on a fence post.
Well it describes Obama to a "T"! A turtle sitting on a post most certainly doesn't belong there and one thing is for sure, someone HAD to put him there and you have to wonder just what kind of an idiot would do such a thing!
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
15 Jun 08
This is brain numbing that black conservatives would vote for Obama just because he might have some of the same race in him. I also heard that J.C Watts former Congressmen was thinking about voting for Obama. If any Black conservative does this they, in my book, lose the right to call themselves a conservative. There is no way anyone can call themselves a Conservative and votes for Obama.
@Barb42 (4214)
• United States
15 Jun 08
I had not heard this about J.C. Watts of Oklahoma. I always thought of him as a highly respected conservative Congressman. And, I hated to see him go home and not run again. Like you, if a conservative would vote for such a liberal candidate, something is wrong and they are no longer conservative in my book. But there is something about the thought of 'changing' history to elect the first black man to the Presidency, there is no telling who all will vote for him for that very reason, not on the issues.
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@Galena (9110)
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15 Jun 08
it's a sad world if people cast their vote for any reason other than supporting that persons political policies.
vote for the person you think is most suitable for the job, and nearest to representing your views and wishes. not just going for the one with the best skin colour, however you perceive that to be, or the prettiest, or the best dressed.
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@hanjinxing (32)
• China
15 Jun 08
yeah,i am happy to seed you who must be a well educated person came up with this discussion,you are not a racist i am glad tosee that,every one should birth with equality.
i konw little thing about America only from movie,you are too far away from me.
@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
15 Jun 08
I am educated, and I am not a racist. However, racism seems to be a big issue in this country because as individuals and groups our country allows it.
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@wangchunlin (155)
• China
15 Jun 08
i hope you will vote for Obama and i really like Obama.
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@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
15 Jun 08
No, I will not be voting for Obama. If he wins, you will not be here to experience the problems he will create for us because you live in China.
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@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
19 Jun 08
That is the sad part. It should be like this but it is. I don't see it changing.
@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
15 Jun 08
What is really strange to me is that the blacks who are voting for Obama for racial reasons are voting for him just becasue he LOOKS black, not because he IS black. As you have pointed out, he has 6.75% black blood. It doesn't make sense to me.
@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
15 Jun 08
It doesn't make sense, but they may look at it as any little bit of black is better than no black at all. Another factor is that not many people know just how little black he is because they are not informed. They see the color black and they hook on to it. They never stop to see that he is 50 percent white. Obama tries to cancel out that fact by saying that he is running as a black man.
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
16 Jun 08
Yestheypayme2dothis,
I was shocked and saddened to read about Mr. Williams and his voting dilema! It is a long time to November and I just don't see hime voting for Obama but I ask you;
Does this really surprise you? Obama's entire campaign has been on race and finally getting a black in the whitehouse! Any white votes he picked up along the way was just "gravy"!
My fear is that Hillary has a secret bit of information with damning proof and the "stupid-delegates" will not have a choice but to take him(Obama) down. Now you may say this is good but with the campaign being about race I see riots of the magnitude America has never seen in her 200 plus years!
@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
16 Jun 08
I have been thinking about that. Hillary seemed very gracious about losing this primary. I thought what does she know and what is she going to do next? He is not going to choose her for VP. She does not take things lying down. And yes, I do see race wars on the arrival if Obama loses. That should tell the whites who so fervently vote for Obama what he is all about, but I am not even sure they would understand it then. They would have to be, personally, beaten to get a grasp. However, if we vote for him so he can win and not turn the USA upside down because he hates to lose. That is just the beginning of even worse to come. Look at affirmative action. I know doctors who are afraid to fire black employees (office workers) who mistreat their white patients and treat the black patients with respect. One fine example is the woman will take a black patient next even though the white patients have been there waiting. They don't feel they can fire her because she will sue. This needs to stop. She hangs up on white patients. If we give people their way based on color, we will have slavery all over again.
@grasshopper5257 (438)
• Canada
15 Jun 08
Yes, you would be considered racist and so would I. However, I am not sure who I am voting for either because personally I do not feel that either are good candidates for the job. Not because one is white or black or man or woman. But, with your talk show host you are making it sound like a race issue which for a while Obama said he did not want it to be. But, it seems that it is a big issue now and it seems to me that Obama is stirring it up as much as anyone!
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@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
15 Jun 08
Obama loves to say things he does not mean. When he said he was running for president as a black man, that is when he started what he said he did not want...for race to enter into this arena.
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@Barb42 (4214)
• United States
15 Jun 08
When it comes to electing someone for office, it should be on their merits/issues, not having to do with race. As someone else has said, Obama started the race issue when he first announced his candidacy. I have no idea if he wrote his own speech or had a speech writer. But that sentence should never have been included if he indeed didn't want race to be an issue. But, it seems to keep coming up in his campaign.
I've heard several prominent black journalists say they would not vote for Obama. They aren't talking about race, either, but his ability to run our country.
Candidates should stay away from the race issue and talk about what they are preparing to do if chosen President of the US. But making everything that doesn't set well with you a racist issue gives them something to talk about and keeps the real issues that this country faces from having to be discussed.
@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
16 Jun 08
Obama does not think about what he says, considering he is supposed to be an intelligent man.