Bush Wants To Lift Ban Of Off-Shore Drilling For Oil

@pyewacket (43903)
United States
June 19, 2008 5:07pm CST
I think a lot of folks here have heard of President Bush's plan to lift the ban, that his own father made while he was in office for off-shore drilling of oil on our coasts. Yes, we're all griping about the high costs of fuel and gas, how it's affecting our lifestyles, from not being able to drive our cars the way we used to, since quite simply we can't afford to, to the rising costs of food, since so much of our food supplies are shipped in via trucks, so the companies raise the prices of food to compensate for the gas price usage. But is drilling for oil off our coastlines the answer? Personally I'm opposed to it. First of all, as indicated in an article I read...even if over night off shore rigs were set up to drill/pump up oil estimates are that none of us would feel any benefits of this "extra" oil for another five to ten years. Then of course are the environmental issues. Yes, oil rigs are considered safer now. Even the oil rigs in the Gulf Coast weren't affected even during the worse storms going when Katrina happened....but still, isn't it a "ticking" time bomb ready to happen? How can we be completely assured that another Valdez incident won't happen again, that occurred on March 24, 1989 and considered the worse man-made environmental disasters ever created? Here's a few quotes from the article I found: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,368221,00.html (Quote) [i]"For many Americans, there is no more pressing concern than the price of gasoline. Truckers and farmers, small-business owners have been hit especially hard. Every American who drives to work, purchases food or ships a product has felt the effect, and families across the country are looking to Washington for a response," Bush said, speaking from the White House Rose Garden. He took no questions..... Bush also laid out three other options: He renewed his call to open up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil exploration; he also said the the country must be committed to development of oil shale — a type of rock that can yield petroleum if heated, for instance — in the western United States; and he said there must be more refinery capacity. Bush admitted his proposals "will take years to have their full impact" but he said that rather than it being an excuse for delay, "it's a reason to move swiftly" and called on Congress to change the lift the moratorium by the July 4 recess. The offshore drilling moratoria have been in effect since 1981 in more than 80 percent of the country's Outer Continental Shelf. It was instituted to protect tourism and lessen the chance of oil spills reaching popular beaches..... On Monday, GOP presidential candidate John McCain made lifting the federal ban on offshore oil and gas development a key part of his energy plan. McCain said states should be allowed to pursue energy exploration in waters near their coasts and get some of the royalty revenue..... Barack Obama, the Democratic candidate for president, opposes lifting the ban on offshore drilling and says that allowing exploration now wouldn't affect gasoline prices for at least five years. Obama also said there is "no way that allowing offshore drilling would lower gas prices right now. At best you are looking at five years or more down the road." New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, energy secretary during the Clinton administration, called it "another bad idea." "It's going to take 10 years to fully get that oil out of the ocean. It's a fragile ecosystem," he said on CBS's "The Early Show." "You know this president, all he wants to do is drill, drill, drill. There is very little on conservation, on fuel efficiency for vehicles. Just last week the Congress failed to pass a solar tax credit — give more incentives to renewable energy, solar and wind. A one track mind — drill drill drill — that's not going to work," Richardson said. The 574 million acres of federal coastal water that are off-limits are believed to hold nearly 18 billion barrels of undiscovered, recoverable oil and 77 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, according to the Interior Department. The country each year uses about 7.6 billion barrels of oil and 21 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.[/i] So what's your opinion?...and LOL...I'm not a great fan of Obama, but for the first time I agree with something he has said. I'm not a great fan of California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger either but he is completely opposed to this idea as well... As the article suggests, even if we DO start setting up oil rigs overnight, we still may not see the benefits for years to come...instead of this, I think a better plan to create alternative fuels should be in the works, and that don't use up our food supplies either, like corn, and even better designs for cars to run on power other than gasoline...heck why not just find a way to run cars on water?
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
19 Jun 08
Gosh, pyewacket, I've heard this topic hashed and rehashed so much that I'm only certain of one thing, and that is that things cannot continue as they have gone on. I find it odd that the United States has not demanded that Mexico provide us some measure of relief from our oil woes bing that they are significant oil producers and that so many Mexicans are benefitting from the American way of life(directly and indirectly). Why won't Mexico willingly share some of their oil with us when our government is supporting so many of their illegal aliens? But, that's another story. I don't like the idea of offshore drilling either, but something must be done.
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@djbtol (5493)
• United States
20 Jun 08
The answer is that democrats welcome all the Mexican people to come to the U.S. and take whatever they want, for free. They say that the U.S. is the bad guy and we owe everyone else. Garbage! djbtol
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
20 Jun 08
You are right, pyewacket, and I wish I knew the answer to that one.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
20 Jun 08
We already have millions of acres of public lands designated for oil and gas in this country and have been available for decades and they aren't being used....like why not? That doesn't make sense
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
19 Jun 08
If this were to happen the benefits we would see at the pump would amount to pennies, if that. The oil companies already have leases and permits for thousands of acres of land with oil under it yet they're not drilling there. Why? Because it will cost them money and they're not willing to spend it.[i]WASHINGTON - Nearly three-fourths of the 40 million acres of public land currently leased for oil and gas development in the continental United States outside Alaska isn’t producing any oil or gas, federal records show, even as the Bush administration pushes to open more environmentally sensitive public lands for oil and gas development. An Associated Press computer analysis of Bureau of Land Management records found that 80 percent of federal lands leased for oil and gas production in Wyoming are producing no oil or gas. Neither are 83 percent of the leased acres in Montana, 77 percent in Utah, 71 percent in Colorado, 36 percent in New Mexico and 99 percent in Nevada. [/i]The rest of the article can be found here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5111184
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
19 Jun 08
I don't know about McCain but Bush is playing a political game. He wants to lift the ban but he needs the Democrate dominated Congress to approve it, which they won't because he wants them to. So, he can sit back and say "Hey, I tried but it's Congresses fault that you're paying such a high price for gas" and make the Democrats look bad...right before a presidential election.
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@djbtol (5493)
• United States
20 Jun 08
Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less It's clearly the best thing for America's energy program. Finally there are some politiicans waking up to the need. They happen to be Repbulicans. Meanwhile, democrats oppose anything that would help our country. democrats tend to be anti-American on many issues. The oil market would be impacted as soon as we announce a clear committment to begin drilling. The arguments being made by the democrats are a combination of lies and stupidity. Ask yourself, why do the democrats want fuel prices to go even higher? djbtol
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
20 Jun 08
djbtol I don't think you really read spalladino's post here...We already HAVE 40 million acres of leased land designated for oil and gas drilling that AREN'T being used...why not? Also, we won't feel the impact of any savings in gas for a minimum of TEN years if we drill off-shore..so how does that help us now?
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@polachicago (18716)
• United States
20 Jun 08
I am with alternate fuels. Cars on water? why not? The water technology is there to reduce oil usage. I am looking for car mechanic to help me with the system. http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/
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@polachicago (18716)
• United States
20 Jun 08
US military has all technology....the question is why they don't want to give it for general public...
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
20 Jun 08
I can't agree with you more that a way should be made to design engines that run on water....hey, we're supposed to be so tech advanced aren't we?
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
20 Jun 08
Cause you have big-mouthed lobbyists with money that try to discourage alternative means of any kind of technology
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
20 Jun 08
If they had kept drilling and went ahead years ago getting to the oil shell we wouldnt be in this shape and paying high prices to the ones that is useing that very money to fight us with. come on wake up we should ave done all this years ago! and the land I have seen where they want to drill wont hurt a damn thing. There s enough oil shell deposits to last way over 100 years or more its in Utah Colorado and Wyoming. I have to dipute you on this old man Bush did the wrong move but then it put mohney in HIS pocket!
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@djbtol (5493)
• United States
20 Jun 08
Lakota12, you are right we should have been drilling long ago. It is time for America to be proud and put our resources to work. If our enemies don't like it - tough! djbtol
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
24 Jun 08
To both of you, Yes we have millions of nbarrels of oil under us dont know why they dont start drilling now and possible let the start pumping again the wells that are already up like in OKlahoma they are just setting there doing nothing!
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
20 Jun 08
Thing is there are millions of acres of land designated for oil drilling, and there IS oil there...but no one has been drilling there in years
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@jairgirl (2877)
• United States
20 Jun 08
hi pye, my sentiments exactly! i dont understand why such thing has to be passed when according to the study it wont help much and it only last for 20 years as a supply and now i am reading that you can fully used it after 10 years. so we have to wait 10 years and then after another 10 years it is over. i was told by my hubby that if that drilling happens we are only be saving few cents by OIL BARREL yes by barrel and not by gallon so why even bother to do such thing? we all need to come up with the alternative source, if japan can do it to their cars how much more a country who can spend billions of dollar in iraq. it is just not fair that we have to rely on oil for the rest of our lives when all we have to do is focus on technology. i know there are some individual out there who are studying the magnetic energy and some other sorts of energy to use as an alternative so we can have a free and safe energy not only in america but all over the world. i saw the area they are planning to drill on tv and then they show all the animals out there who will have to suffer, it breaks my heart as we have to give up millions of animal lives for such a silly answer to our gas problem right now (yes it is silly and stupid in my opinion) there are so many non-profit organization who is fighting to help animals and environment and here they are wanting to just erase them on the planet just like that. i just dont get it. yes, it maybe over reacting but i cried when they showed that thing on tv as i cant imagine animals dying for the sake of human kind. that to me is too much to ask for them, we are already taking a huge part or making the global warming accelerate that fast and now we are wanting to add more. there is other way, not just being dependent to oil. just imagine if we dont have to rely to it anymore a lot of products will be so cheap and we can use our money to some more useful stuff other than making the big oil company much richer than what they are right now. i cant wait for a company to stand up for this giant companies and sell cars that will run almost free of charge. takecare
@djbtol (5493)
• United States
20 Jun 08
We would have already been producing this oil, if Clinton (Monica) hadn't banned it 10 years ago. djbtol
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
20 Jun 08
There already is 40 million acres of leased land designated for gas/oil drilling yet it's not being used..why not...and then this administration wants to get MORE land for drilling and as you say, wreck the environment and displace the wildlife...just doesn't make sense to me at all. We have so much technical knowledge to design cars not to run on fuel at all..so why not do that instead--I really don't understand things at times and so much just plain doesn't make sense to me
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@jairgirl (2877)
• United States
20 Jun 08
thanks for the info i read part of it throughout the discussion, i did not know about it nor my hubby so i have to teased him about that. i still prefer that we dont have to rely on oil, it amazes me that japan, france and germany is already doing their part and hopefully american car manufacturer will follow. i have read that it will all boom by 2010 (car technology) but i think NOW is the right time as we are already feeling the domino effect of the high oil price. i sure hope something will happen anytime soon. thanks for posting such discussion. takecare
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@mscott (1923)
• United States
20 Jun 08
No one would feel the benefits for ten years is not entirely true. With us expanded our own oil drilling it would put pressure on the others to lower their prices to keep us as customers, it has happened before. Also, even if it doesn't get us oil for 10 years why not start now? if we would have started when Ronald R. wanted to do it we would already have that oil. We keep putting it off and so we will never get the benefits from it. maybe we don't need to do it off-shore but what about all the other places here in the country? What about developing nuclear power. That joke has been going on for 30 years in congress, and even it is is finally passed this time it will be 2020 before we feel the benefits of that because they have jerked around for the past 20-30 years on that issue.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
20 Jun 08
At the same token mscott, we've also have had the technology for alternative forms of energy, alternative fuels for decades yet our govt hasn't sanctioned it..how can it when the bush family have investments in the oil industry itself?
21 Jun 08
Every time there is an energy crisis, the same possible solutions get brought up and then shot down with the same argument that it won't benefit us for years. If people would have proceeded with these solutions years ago, maybe we wouldn't still be facing the issues we are today. Some of the more eco-friendly ideas that have been pursued haven't really panned out. In fact, some of them (such as ethanol) have even further contributed to the problem.
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• United States
23 Jun 08
I was livid when I heard that he wanted to do this! That man infuriates me. The bottom line as to why our cars today doesn't run on water or some other power source rather than gas/oil is because there is just TOO much money in the business. There was a patent in the 70s I think for a engine that ran on water I believe and the oil companies bought it - so that it couldn't be used...fascist.
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• United States
24 Jun 08
Tell me about it. Sometimes I think this world / country has gone down the sh*tter...
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
23 Jun 08
That's the whole deal in a nutshell...there's too much money involved in the oil industry and you have big mouthed lobbyists in Congress nixing any idea about designs and technology to run cars on anything else than gas/oil
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@bonbon664 (3466)
• Canada
20 Jun 08
I am completetly against offshore drilling. It's another example of the politicians not looking to the future. How long are we going to rape the environment for our gain. I agree we can't stop using fossil fuels tomorrow, but, I also believe that we have the technology to come up with an alternative. I can't believe that with all our collective intelligence, all we can come up with is the combustion engine? How about hydrogen, solar cars, vehicles that run on human waste, who knows....but, we can't carry on the way we are. I have been to Alaska, and heard from people who live there how the Valdez disaster affected them, and I would hate to see that repeated, which is inevitable when you start putting up oil rigs all over the ocean.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
20 Jun 08
Yes we have had the knowledge of alternatives for decades, but unfortunately it's been the big mouthed lobbyists with lots of clout and money to burn that has stopped alternative efforts. I'm glad you've had first hand experience and did visit Alaska and talked to people how the Valdez incident affected that area...and we certainly don't want to run the risk of any repeats
@blackbriar (9076)
• United States
20 Jun 08
There is someone who discovered a way to run cars on water IFit's true. I'm not about to buy into it and find out I was a sucker to make someone else rich off of something stupid he/she supposedly discovered.
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• United States
20 Jun 08
Yes it would make sense but I'm wondering if the person who claims know how to do it, is being honest and not just out to make a fast buck. Heck, I would buy the conversion kit and have my mechanic convert my car IF it's worth it.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
20 Jun 08
It really would make more sense if a discovery was made to run cars on water....I remember hearing that there are some car engines that can run on hydrogen..but the cost of the cars themselves start at $100,000 I think..yeesh
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@djbtol (5493)
• United States
20 Jun 08
I've been trying to check this out. It is hard to get facts, but what I see so far is that it is a scam. djbtol
• United States
20 Jun 08
we should be working to get off the oil standard,with alternative energy,it's insane not to. all this is is a patch that'll mess up the environment more in the long term,and keep using a finite product that will get us into more wars eventually,i'm sure. that being said,the bush family has oil investments, so i'm sure that's the farthest thought from his mind.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
20 Jun 08
We've had the technology for decades on alternative fuels and even designs for engine that could run on these fuels, but gee, I guess when you have a family that has oil investments they don't want to use that technology
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• United States
23 Jun 08
nope.they probably do everything to avoid getting off it.things like that is one reason we're not using hemp material,even though they know it's a superior fiber.
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• United States
20 Jun 08
I dislike our president. I will not even capitalize his title I dislike him so much. He is out for himself because he is a Texas oil man himself. What he should be doing is encouraging the manufacturings of alternative fuels or solar cars. There was an all electric car made years ago but was bought out by the big oil company so they could control the manufacturing of it and then then simply shut it down. That way people will still be dependent on oil. Around here we had Co-generation plants. Which was plants that made electricity from farm waste. PG&E came through and bought them all out and closed them all down. That way PG&E did not have to buy the excess electricity that the plant made. I believe we would be farther along to saving this world and going green if it was not for big cooperations and big money. I do not agree with everything Obama says but he is the greenest candidate we have running for president. That says something to me. He cares for his world. Unlike the president we have now and the other republican.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
20 Jun 08
I can't stand Bush either teapot...and I don't agree with everything Obama say either but as you said he is very pro "green", and was also just recently endorsed by Al Gore who is also very much an environmentalist...even won a Noble Prize for his efforts. Yes, we have so many other alternatives to energy usage to begin with..it's a shame that the lobbyists with their big mouths and tons of money are the ones responsible for axing any idea to really get to these alternative methods and technology
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
22 Jun 08
Yes I heard about that...good for him!
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• United States
21 Jun 08
Have you heard Obama is not going to take funds from the general election. That means he will not be taking money from lobiests. I think that is great,it appears he will not be in bed with these folks.
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@di1159 (1580)
• United States
20 Jun 08
The sad part is that while everyone is arguing about should we or shouldn't we, other countries, including China and Cuba are already making plans to drill these areas in our own back yard. I'm sure they won't care if there is an oil spill or not and I'm betting they aren't going to be as careful as we would. Companies have been talking about alternative fuels for years and no one has done anything about developing them for public use. Maybe we won't see the benefits for years, but if we don't start now, who knows what the prices will be in 20 years for our kids. It's a tough situation for us all.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
20 Jun 08
I just think we need to really explore and utilize the alternative forms of energy...we have had that knowledge for decades
@mcat19 (1357)
• United States
20 Jun 08
I agree with you. We need to explore alternative fuel, not go for more oil. Oil is a limited resource anyway. The time is long past when we need to find something else. Does anyone remember that Bush and Cheney are oil guys? Do we think there is some connection here?
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
20 Jun 08
Yes oil is a limited resource...it really can't go on forever anyway...like what are they going to do when all the oil reserves dry up? ...then they'll have to come up with alternative forms of energy...and they should be doing that now and wait until that happens
@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
20 Jun 08
Yes, I think we need to have as much domestic drilling as we can. You do realize that other countries are already drilling on the Gulf Coast, right? But at the same time, we need to be exploring every kind of alternative fuels for everything we do, not just for cars and driving. It's going to be up to average people to make sure this happens. We should be putting solar panels in every new home built. Why isn't that happening? Because the power companies don't want to lose the money. Inventions have been made for years - you've seen them on TV - for alternative fuels for cars. Why aren't they being put to use? Because the oil companies don't want that. It really is time for us to step and tell the companies what we will and won't tolerate from them.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
20 Jun 08
Yes we have had the tech-know how for decades on alternative forms of fuel and energy, but we can thank the power and oil companies for putting a halt on that as they would lose millions if not billions of dollars
@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
20 Jun 08
Yes... it very much looks like that we are entering a world crisis which is going to bring the economy down. Demand exceed supply. Again... a direct result of the world population explosion. The more people... the more cars... the more transport and the more need of gasoline for machineries to produce food on the farms. According to some information I got this morning... it is not so much the shortage of oil... but the poor quality of the oil being extracted... and the high cost of rafinering that oil which is the cause of the price increase. In Australia... the price has increased by 70 cents a gallon in the last three months... and keeps going up every week. It is a runaway train.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
20 Jun 08
It didn't help the fact that in India they designed a car, the Tata Nano that is the world's cheapest car with the idea of allowing an affordable car that the population of India can buy...that means MORE cars on the road and more gas being used up--brilliant no?
@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
20 Jun 08
See most of the estimates I've seen for the places they wanna drill at, it really doesn't look like enough to squelch what America consumes. But ignoring that the only way it'd affect prices in America is if they sold it ONLY to America, and you know they're not gonna do that. It's a global commodity, therefore it's going to the entire globe. Not just America. So any price relief we'd see would be marginal. Alternative fuels and energies and emerging technologies ARE the answer. My favorite alternative fuel is algae fuel because it's been approved for use -- all they need to do is be able to produce it, which means they'd need places to grow it. So, if the government just gave them a little nudge it's concieveable that we could use something like this to REPLACE oil before the year's out. If our government has enough money to drill, then they have enough money for an endeavor like this. It'd speed everything up if they took alternatives seriously...and we'd be fine. But noooo...I don't think they're willing to give up oil. Gives certain lobbyist infested politicians too much profits for them to get it through their thick heads that they're skirting disaster.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
20 Jun 08
Yes xParanoiax we most certainly do have alternatives in both what kind of "fuel" to use and the technology to design cars that can run on alternative fuels, but as you say...we can thank the lobbyists with the big mouths that are curtailing and preventing all this
@palonghorn (5479)
• United States
20 Jun 08
First off there is no 'over-night' drilling for oil, I used to work for an oil drilling company, and the drilling can take months and that's if your lucky. Secondly, I agree, we would not feel anything from it regarding our daily lives for years to come. I do know that if the politicians, from the President on down the line, had to pay for their own gas instead of the American people footing the bill, this problem would have a much quicker solution. Do you think they wouldn't be finding a solution to the high price of gas if they had to pay for their own gas everyday?
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
20 Jun 08
You're so right...our politicians in general are living in some kind of twilight zone, especially the president..he doesn't have to worry about paying gas for his escorted limos or even his private jet
@4mymak (1793)
• Malaysia
20 Jun 08
engine using water / steam.. all of a sudden the images of steam-ships and steam-engined locomotives come to mind.... my husband and i go to work on different routes, so.. we each drive one car to work... there is no 'public transport' that goes anywhere near our offices.. so.. we really dont have choice, but drive to work... and the petrol cost is really 'killing' us.. a friend made a joke the other day, about wanting to go back to using 'bullcart' as means of transportation.. (i really wonder what will happen to us all by the time my children start their 'adult life'... hopefully we've better and safe alternative )
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
20 Jun 08
I do know that there's been a rise in the sale of bicycles here in America...and yes, maybe we should go back to the "old" standards of transportation, or at least design car engines that can run on something other that gas