How do Americans regrad China?
By crazy_andy
@crazy_andy (258)
China
5 responses
@hello_cancer (183)
• United States
22 Jun 08
i think it kind of varies person to person, and i really can't say i have a clue what the official stance is. i think at this point it would be more beneficial for the US to be friends with china, but at the same time china is a threat. the US government owes the chinese government trillions of dollars. in fact, were you to break it down person to person, every american citizen, man woman and child would owe someone in china 4000 US dollars, just to give you a scope of how much our country owes yours. i think china needs to straighten out in some areas, for example the situation in Tibet. i think china needs to get out of tibet this second, but i know it won't happen. there is simply no reason for the killing that goes on, the massacre of monks and innocent bystanders. on an official level, i suppose we're friends, but a lot of americans are pretty heated about the Tibet thing. i don't know how much you know about that, or what your opinions are, but i'd like to hear your take on it from a chinese perspective.
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@kfbella (22)
• China
22 Jun 08
I hear lots of Tibet things !why people can't see this thing from other side .like in UK ,how about north Ireland ,they want to separate from England too .why not lots people accuse UK government like to do with Chinese government ?and if you went to Tibet already ,you will find people are happy to live there .I thougt people shouldn't judge something you don't really know .
but I can understand why people saying that .cause you guys not really know about China ,like every country in this world ,the government will introduce the bad side of other countries especially China .
but we always say America is a great country ,that's why so many people are going to USA .:-)
@hello_cancer (183)
• United States
22 Jun 08
i lived in new york city for a while, and almost every day i was there there were hundreds of tibetan citizens in a park called union square protesting the occupation of tibet. the dalai lama, the head of the tibetan buddhist religion, has been run out of tibet and is now in safe hiding in india. even talking about the dalai lama is punishable under chinese rule. don't get me wrong. i don't generally have a problem with china at all. i just think tibetan citizens need their lives and freedom back. i think monks need to stop being persecuted for not giving up their faith and their conviction to stand for it. the chinese government is infamous for keeping information from their citizens, just like the US government is. i could see it from the other side, but there is no other side. in my opinion, its a lot like the US occupation of iraq. the politics and reasons are all different, but we are there and we have no right to be, just like china is in tibet. the tibetan culture is at risk, and its one of the most rich and beautiful cultures anywhere in the world. people are detained and punished for supporting the dalai lama in public or private. i understand that the chinese government is infamous for repression, but the fact that they are going in and detaining and in some cases killing monks for supporting their religious leader is so infinitely wrong i can't even put it into words. i know this is happening simultaneously all over the world by different groups and in different contexts, but you asked me what the verdict was about china, and the truth of the matter is that any american that has put in the time to find out about the situation in tibet wants the chinese out. we're about freedom over here. being imprisoned and persecuted for supporting your religious leader is wrong. thats that. if you're curious, read up on it.
http://www.fiacat.org/en/spip.php?article157
http://www.savetibet.org/tibet/index.php
http://www.tibet.com/WhitePaper/white5.html
that is the truth of the matter. tibetans are persecuted endlessly for holding fast to their faith [tibetan buddhism], speaking the name of the dalai lama, or peacefully protesting the chinese occupation of their country. tibet is not a part of china, and china needs to let go, and let the people have their world back.
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@crazy_andy (258)
• China
22 Jun 08
to kfbella:
i can't agree with some of your opinions. the politics is very dirty, especially between two countries. the government is always focusing on the bas sides of other counties. that's ture
but the reason why so many Chineses are willing to migrate to US is not because of the praise of us by Chinese government.
when do you hear this???
the fact is American is a great country ,it respect the human right,creativity,democratic life. they just want to live bette or they want to achieve their goals.
In china ,even if you are capable, maybe you won't get the chance to show it.
that's the true reason.my bro.
to hello_cancer:
Hi,the Americans have the right to critisize everything. and the right to know everything.(not exactly, but much better than Chinese)
but what i heard about Tibet maybe is not true.(I don't exactly know what the media in your country regrad this incident)
but as to me,to be honest, i havn't not been Tibet. but i can many Tibeteans here,in my hometown. they don't seemed to be oppressed more than us.they are treated as normal Chinese. just the same condition.
and in history, Tibet is a part of China from thousands of years ago.
so you can critisize the behavior of our government in Tiben and all China,but i don't think we should get out of Tibet.
@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
23 Jun 08
I know many Chinese people, mostly from Beijing, but doubtless typical, anyway. All but one of them has been wonderful to know. Very sweet, intelligent, and ambitious.
What I DON'T like is the government leaders there, who have enslaved so many millions, & slaughtered so many, too. It's a shame that, for example, one can be forced to have an abortion, or that one may not believe in God and practice a religion there.
The lack of information most Chinese have about the rest of the world (due to government censorship) is terrible.
All that said, I see the PROPLE of China as extremely worth knowing, and as friendly rivals in business, now that they've turned (in a limited way) to capitalism. :o)
To all who make it to America, you are welcome. Were I able to travel any more, I would go there! YOur country is so vast and beautiful!
God bless you.
Maggiepie
@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
24 Jun 08
Andy, you're entirely welcome!
Ignorance of China among Americans is falling by the wayside, since more and more Chinese have come here to study, and many stay.
One effect of this growing Oriental population here in Austin, Texas, where I live, is that about a decade or more ago, someone counted up the Mexican and Chinese restaurants in town, and found that there were more Chinese than Mexican ones!
This was a great joke on us, since, until recently, Mexican restaurants have outnumbered virtually ALL other restaurant styles, excluding barbeque ones -- and barbeque is Texas' favorite quisine!
As I enjoy Chinese food very much, and used to dine out a lot before I retired (I can't afford to, now), I had a lot of trouble communicating with wait staff, and my room-mate at that time was EXTREMELY allergic to corn. When we ordered food, we had great difficulty getting what we wanted. In my friend's case, corn could have put her into the hospital.
When we occasionally ran into a waiter who spoke reasonably good English, that helped, but largely, this was an ongoing problem, SO...one day I had an idea.
I managed to get across to the waiters that I would teach them English for FREE, provided they give me a couple of hours a week for classes.
Well, most were eager to learn! SOME of them insisted (especially an owner, who doubled as cook) on feeding me free food! ALL of them insisted on giving me gifts!! I still have some beautiful things.
It turns out, according to my Chinese students, that in China, they were taught English, but only how to read & write it -- NOT how to pronounce it!
There were regular lessons, and those where we did such things as play games (such as Chinese checkers, which I discovered, according to one of my students, actually IS from China! LOL!). You can learn much from simple games or puzzles, including colors, numbers, actions, etcetera.
But most of our classes became simply times to talk, some of them while we went places together, such as the grocery store or gas stations, or even parks, to learn to pronounce things! One family begged me to return to China with them, saying I could easily make a living there. They even wanted to buy my plane ticket to China, and house me there!
I didn't go, as I had obligations here at the time, and couldn't leave,but I've often regretted not being able to.
The one student I met that was not like the rest was a tall man named Chi Gang, and he was as stubborn as a cat! I had to let him go. I told him to find a teacher he liked better, and who could teach better than I. He was making me crazy, arguing and yelling all the time! LOL!
Thanks for your nice reply. It's too bad we'll never meet face to face. I would enjoy being your friend, I'm sure.
Maggiepie
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@crazy_andy (258)
• China
25 Jun 08
Aha, Interesting story. I guess you must be a kind lady. and you are very smart to have that wonderful way to earn your dinner.
Luckily you didn't make a wrong choice to house in China, if so, maybe you won't have any interest to talk about China's affairs.
i don't want to say Chinese is bad, what matters is that it's not suitable for you, especially the hard life two or more decades ago.
Actually,i love to eat fast food like Pizza Hut and Mcdonalds. but I can eat it continuously more than 2 days. Chinese food have more styles, so you can decide what to eat and you'll never feel tired.
Maybe someday we will meet face to face, because everyday i'm looing forward to being in the US. Aha, i think if i have a dream ,i'll succeed at last.
Have a good day.
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@crazy_andy (258)
• China
23 Jun 08
thanks for your kindness.
you just said what i want to talk about. i always regard us Chinese are friendly,kind,and gentle people.
it's the communist government that makes you people have a wrong sense,such as invading the US, we have not the power to do so ,even if we had ,we wouldn't to do that.
actually most Chinese like the US, and American people!
thanks!
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@hello_cancer (183)
• United States
23 Jun 08
it gets made with lead paint because american corporations are cheapskates, which is the reason our labor is being shipped overseas in the first place. a lot of the tainted product that comes out of china is from factories for american corporations. the chinese aren't to blame for that. they're just doing corporate americas dirty work.
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
22 Jun 08
I honestly don't listen to that part of the news. I think it is sad that China has a not so good government but currently we (the US) do not either. While I was living in the western US I loved going to Chinatown, and just seeing how even though the people we no longer in China they still behaved as if they did.
I'm sure that China rates somewhat negatively with a lot of Americans for the simple fact that a lot of American jobs are moving overseas to China. My opinion on this is if the American government did not give these companies huge tax breaks for moving overseas than the jobs would still be here in the US.
@crazy_andy (258)
• China
22 Jun 08
Sure, the job opportunities are a big deal. but i still think this won't harm the Americans
I'm working for a American software company.the work here is just do some boring,simple tasks. maybe no Americans would like to do. Even i don't like to either.
You Americans still control the techs and the capital. make money from China.
Maybe the question is that the money won't do benefit for evrey American.
The American is still the greatest country in the world.
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
22 Jun 08
Most of our tech jobs have moved to India. I am very glad you started this discussion because there are many Americans that are currently extremely unsatified with the US and the government here. Thank you for starting it.
@YOULANLIU (311)
• China
22 Jun 08
I think I have the similar question.Hope more American friends can share your ideas with us.We may have tried of the official version,we would like to hear more general American public's views.
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
22 Jun 08
Crazy_andy,
It is funny to see you say that China taught people that America (US) wants to take over China. I remember being in grade school and the teachers would talk about China and how the US could never go to war with a country so large. That if they ever did that we would lose because of the population size of China. I don't remember every detail because that was a long time ago, but I do remember one teacher saying that with 10 billion strong the US stands no chance against China.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
23 Jun 08
Well my grandparentscame here from Russian so there was never a fear of russians. And living out west I just loved going to Chinatown and spending the weekend there shopping and eating. It was great.
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@crazy_andy (258)
• China
22 Jun 08
I'd like to share my opinion with you.
now i'm 26 years old.and when i was a young boy, i was told that The USA is the most evil country in the world.it always want to invade China, kill our people,and take over of all China.
I believed in this at that point.
I still remember when the Tiananmen Square Incident occured. the government owned media told us the young students were cheated by the liberalism from the US,so they kill our soldiers and want to overthrow the conutry. i even hated the crazy studnets
When i grew, especially after i entered the University,it was in 2000.the Internet came into China, it brought a lot of changes to China, we had the chance to know the fact.to know what other countries really are.
i began to understand that we are cheated, we and our countrymen were all cheated to contribute all our lives to some dictators.
somewhat i have to adimt now , our government is being better now ,they don't like to critisize US these days.
they become more realistic.
but We China is still a society with complicated hierarchy.