What comes first, my job or my kid? (Should government subsidize daycare?)
By mommyboo
@mommyboo (13174)
United States
July 3, 2008 11:40pm CST
Do you think that the government should subsidize daycare, take some of the taxes that we pay into the system to help carry the burden of childcare costs? Daycare is expensive, sometimes excessively so, and most of the time even more for infants and toddlers who are not potty trained yet. People who are on assistance can often get subsidized daycare, how is this fair to others who may also be on minimum wage yet not qualify for any assistance?
As an aside, as a question to the other stay at home parents here (could be mom or dad, doesn't matter), was this part of the decision to stay home? Daycare costs are so prohibitive that if you did decide to go back to work, you'd either barely break even or lose after you paid for daycare, commuting costs, clothing, lunches, etc.
Do you feel this is owed us? The US does do some things right but this is one place where I feel they are really dropping the ball. We get FMLA which protects our job (but doesn't pay squat) and in Canada you get a year long paid maternity leave! Time for a change? I think so!
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@latriciajones (846)
• United States
4 Jul 08
honestly no, i am a stay at home mother only becuase i got laid off andi havent found a good enough job. me staying at home would save some money but i want to go back to work.
as for the government subsidizing daycare, if it will help then i am for it. when they provide government assistance they normally base it on your income. so if they feel that the amount of income allows you to be able to afford daycare. i even tried myself to get help with daycare but i couldnt. it got so bad i even tried to shorten moy hours at work one week so that my pay stub would qualify me for government assistance. it still didnt help.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
5 Jul 08
We pay so much in taxes and so many people are SO irked about people sitting home on welfare, so you would think that people would be all for the government paying a portion of daycare costs to ENABLE everybody to work. Sheesh. I understand that most daycares cannot drop the costs - although home daycare providers can certainly set their own prices. I was doing daycare for one child for awhile, as long as I was provided everything (diapers, wipes, change of clothes, sunblock, carseat, bottles and sippies, snacks etc) I did it pretty cheaply. I don't have to pay ins or a staff so I didn't need to charge $200 a week, not to mention somebody working for minimum wage couldn't afford that much anyway.
@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
4 Jul 08
I don't think the govt should have to pay for it. IT could so easily be taken advantage of and people would abuse it to the point of it costing more in the long run. But although they currently have a little tax deduction for day care - I think they could do more with that. I used it back when My kids were in day care - I forget how much or what percent was allowed to be deducted, but even if they did 100% deductible, you still have to have a official IRS form filled out by the day care place with their TIN number so there is a way to police it, and for those that hae phoney TIN numbers, it could easily be verified by licenseses and cross referenced between the day cares 1040's or whatever they file for validity. There is certainly something they could do to help since day care is terribly expensive. I was so lucky that i got a fantastic church day care for $50 a week and $35 of half day with kindergarten. IT was the best daycare not counting my self! But these days - it is several hundred dollars and from the things I have seen...the care in "day care" is not all that great. I keep my grand kids but if I didn't, my kids couldn't afford to go to work, it'd be nearly half their salary just for day care!
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@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
5 Jul 08
Most certainly is. Here in Calif - it is terribly expenseive. MAny can't afford to work cause day care is so high. That is why I do it for free for my kids - neither could afford to work if not for me ... they couldn't afford day care and they have relatively good paying jobs to.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
5 Jul 08
I am in CA too. When I did the childcare for one child, I was doing it for $75 a week. If it had been the whole week, I would have asked for $125 because I would have had her 5 days a week, 10+ hours a day. Given that the daycare centers this lady checked with quoted her more than $200 a week even for part time because her daughter is still in diapers, I think I was pretty reasonable.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
5 Jul 08
Even preschools are crazy expensive if you go with private ones. I never put my daughter in daycare, I'm a full time mom. However, when I started looking at preschools, a lot of them are set up like daycare, where the bulk of the 'preschool' experience happens in the morning, say between 8 or 9 and noon. In the afternoon, they have lunch, nap, outside play, etc and it's a lot less structured until they close at 6. When I talked to them, they acted as if I was likely to leave my daughter there all day long - not to mention the cost was horrific, it was like $250 a week for M-F. I asked about just M/W/F from 9ish till noon and they kept explaining that they were open from 6-6. When I said I was not planning to bring my daughter to preschool at 6, I had to explain again that I was not using them for daycare. Anyway, I found a reasonable one through my community center that is $43 a month. I'm going to use till this the fall of 09 when she will start kindergarten.
It sounds like you got a super deal with the church day care. It's getting harder and harder to find things like that these days.
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@carlaabt (3504)
• United States
8 Jul 08
The cost of daycare was part of the reason that we decided that I would be a stay at home mom. I worked for a while after my son was born. My husband and I worked opposite shifts, but then we didn't get to spend much time together, so that wasn't really an ideal solution. And then they switched his shift at work. One of our friends watched our toddler for the 4 hours or so that we were both at work each day (my husband got off at 4 pm, and I went in at noon), three days a week. It worked out ok, but she didn't charge us anywhere near what the going rate was. When she told us she was moving, we decided that it was time for me to quit my job to stay at home.
We called around for prices at daycares around here, and they were all outrageously priced! The base daycare goes by how much money you make, and even though my husband was only an Airmen at the time, because I had a pretty good job, it was going to cost us over ONE THOUSAND dollars per month!! Our child would have only been there for about 15 hours each week, tops. I was working part time, and bringing in an average of $1500-1600 a month. I had to supply all my own combs, clippers, scissors, etc. Daycare was going to cost right around $1200, and if for some reason my husband had to work a different shift for some reason, we would have had to have arranged for someone else to get our child, or we would have paid $1 per minute that he was there past 6 pm, and I didn't get off work until around 6 most days, so it would have cost us an additional $15-20 each time that happened.
We called some home daycares, and most of them wanted $250 or more per week, or $25 per hour for part time, even though he would have been there during regular working hours.
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@DonnaLawson (4032)
• United States
5 Jul 08
I don't think that it would hurt the government in any way to help with the betterment with the American family and the American home.. But, in all honesty, the government doesn't care.. It would be great to have the best affordable or free daycare for all children so the parents could work and make a living, after all, in this day with the prohibitive cost of living, it does take both parents to make a living and raise their children.. But I do believe the government is too busy buying toilet seats, and sending outrageous amounts of money to other countries, where it probably doesn't go where it is intended anyway, to be able to help in our own country..
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@DonnaLawson (4032)
• United States
5 Jul 08
You are 100% right, our government does not care about it own citizens, just being goody two shoes to others who do not care about us in the least.. I am so anti-government, and it is only because the government is filled with self-righteous, pompous, arrogent, greedy, self-indulgent idiots.. I have believed that for quite some time and will not change my opinion until our elected officials act like thay have half a brain and do what is right for our country..
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
5 Jul 08
That is a huge hot button for me. Why the heck are we sending our resources OUTSIDE our country?! We have so many things we need to use our resources for here, for our own citizens. I won't even get into the illegal immigrant situation which is compounding the issue even more than all of the war efforts and all our other forays out into 'helping' other countries and ignoring our own crisis at home. It's OUR tax money they are blowing on their own agenda, the least they could do is return it to us in the form of help with a cost many of us cannot get away from and cannot do without.
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@Rzelikman (141)
• United States
5 Jul 08
Instead the government should try to come up with more jobs that stay at home moms can do from home or help out stay at home moms since day care would cost money as well and its not the safest place for a child these days. No one will care for your child the way a parent would. Besides if the government would provide daycare I can only picture the center, I would not find my self placing my child there.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
5 Jul 08
If more places would allow people to work part time and telecommute, it would be easier for somebody to work from home - or if there were more legitimate opportunities to work from home that actually paid decently - somewhere in the ballpark of what somebody would make for a day of work at a traditional 9-5 job, maybe it would be easier. The only problem is that you'd have to have a smaller workload, with a child or two at home, you can't actually focus on WORK for 8 hours straight. =)
@mescue (64)
• United States
6 Jul 08
I am a proud stay at home mom. I am not ready to leave my child's care in the hands of strangers. Nowadays, with many single parents raising children, daycare is not an option. It's a "can't do without". I would like to see more businesses offering child care at work. Don't a lot of government employees already have that luxury? I think that as an incentive for business owners, give them a tax break. If they offer discounted or free day care for employees while working, it would benefit both the employer and the employee.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
8 Jul 08
I think this would be a great idea, because more people who would just be working part time to put away a little extra money or to keep their spouse from having to take a second job would be able to work and not have to worry about day care costs. I love being able to stay home, I don't think I would choose to go back to work but for us it would really be a problem, not only would it bump us into another tax bracket but I would probably only make a few hundred dollars profit after paying for full time daycare, gas for commuting, etc.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
8 Jul 08
I don't recall where in the constitution it states that government is responsible for child care. I don't remember where it is stated that any entitlement program is owed to us. I do recall that we have a right to free speech, no taxation with representation, right to bear arms, to assemble. Well jeez just lots of things but nothing about day care.
"Ask not what your country can do for you........."
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
4 Jul 08
Yes, I do agree that the U.S. should expand the subsidized daycare program, for the reasons you mention but also because this would cause daycare to become more regulated. Licensed daycare centers are expensive and often have no openings so parents are forced to turn to home based daycare. There are laws on the books that dictate how many children an individual can look after without needing a license. After that the state/county can monitor the home to ensure the safety and quality of care the children receive. But, generally home based daycare is a cash business, with desperate parents so thankful for any available space, so why go to the trouble and expense of the licensing process when no one is going to say anything? This can put children in risk. If subsidized daycare was available to more parents more home based daycare providers would be forced to become licensed in order to continue to be paid. I'm in no way suggesting that all home based daycare providers do not provide the best possible care for the children they are responsible for but we all know that there are those who don't. So, that's my take on the subject.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
5 Jul 08
That is why I would only do daycare for one child and set the cost as reasonable for the parent. It is too hard to juggle too many extra children, especially when you have your own and she is getting jealous lol. I do think that it's too expensive to be able to expect the average person making little more than minimum wage to be able to afford though. Not only that but daycares are only open certain business hours, and many people who rely on minimum wage jobs have to work two of them. This means they would need daycare at non-traditional hours. Homebased care or friends or relatives sometimes are willing to provide this but then again it's hit or miss depending on people's schedules. I know that I don't really like cutting into my family time by having a child who isn't picked up until late, even if they are good.
@victorwrede (2)
• Argentina
4 Jul 08
Hola amigos, una vbez mas, estaba leyendo atentamente el comentario sobre este tema, que no es menor sino imortanticimos, si me permiten, una critica constructiva como debe ser toda critica, Aqui en Argentina, hay guarderias del estado y guarderias pagadas, obviamente, las pagas son mejor casi siempre que las del estado, pero en el caso de que uno mande a un hijo a una guarderia paga, la mayoria de las empresas les pagan a los pareds que tiene que acceder a ese servicio, por que no tiene con quien deja r a sus hijos, gran parte del costo o la totalidad en muchos casos de ese costo, creo que no solo EEUU se debe un debate sobre en torno al sistema de salud y al sistema de educaciòn,es decir siempre estemos en el Paìs que estemos tenemos que tenes la capacidad de elegir lo qeu deseams hacer en estos casos, y no podemos estar desprotegidos ante la pequeña eventualidad de ser padres, no solo por una cuestion de economia, uno no puede criar a un hijo trabajando 12 horas diarias como pasa enmuchos lugares, casi no lo ve mas que para darle un beso a lanoche al dormirse èl/ èlla, eso no es lògico.
La capacidad de un Pais realemente se mide en esas cuestiones, a la hora de solucionar problemas basicos, en lo que respecta en a las licencias por maternidad, estas existen en muchos paises, casi todas esas cuestiones se fueron implementando em la post guerra, y se siguen mejorando dia a dia, dato al margen, el termino " kindergarden " proviene de la creacon de horagres para madres solteras hacia el año de 1940 en la Alemania Nazi, que curioso! verdad. saludos a todos hasta la proxima!!!